Anonymous wrote:This is a long thread, so I don't know if this is already been mentioned. But the reason that the owner of the vessel was able to cut so many corners was because they were exploring an international waters, so no laws applied. Not US regulations nor any other country's regulation applied to this exploration. The business owner of this venture is a piece of sh!t.

The passengers should have done their due diligence. I am shocked that such wealthy people would have climbed into this tin can. James Cameron has been to the same wreck dozens of times and is still around to tell the tale.

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Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

Do tell what science they were engaging in. Why safety measures on submarines are always a good idea? Mission accomplished. You are an absolute fool if you think science was anything but a thinly veiled guise for what this was really all about: vanity tourism.

Exactly…just like the rich people who pay to be hauled up Everest by sherpas aren’t explorers.

Absolutely. If you’ve ever read Into Thin Air it’s crazy how many of these people didn’t even have the right equipment and seemed not to know what they were doing at all. But then millions of dollars and resources weren’t put into rescue attempts at the summit simply because everyone knew there was no point.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole sub thing seems like an allegory depicting modern life in Arlington, Virginia

If you were to conflate the struggles of life inside of a 3 br ranch house in Arlington near a strip mall with being bolted into a metal tube slowly suffocating, crouched in bodily fluids, then yes

Both are suffocatingly depressing and pointless

Very disrespectful. The occupants of Titan would have given a lot to be you.

Doubtful. One look at my checking account balance and they'd volunteer to be back on Titan.

Grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:What does this mean? The Guardian just quoted someone saying this incident has ruined future research that could have been done on the Titanic wreck site. Why?

“The chances of any future research being carried out on the wreck of Titanic is extremely slim. Probably not in my lifetime.”

The legit research orgs that safely explored the Titanic site for the past 25+ years are probably now uninsurable.

Thanks for explaining.

Anonymous wrote:Watch this documentary about a previous voyage of Titan where the sub had technical difficulties on the bottom. https://vimeo.com/810451492

Yikes…that was painful to watch. I think you’re going to see a lot of cover ups Rush did to proceed with his sub. This video is telling.

Anonymous wrote:What does this mean? The Guardian just quoted someone saying this incident has ruined future research that could have been done on the Titanic wreck site. Why?

“The chances of any future research being carried out on the wreck of Titanic is extremely slim. Probably not in my lifetime.”

Because people will be a lot more wary of deep sea exploration now, and won't fund those operations. Who do you think pays for all this? Philanthropists splash money about to be able to boast that they advance research. They can't boast if people end up dead. So funds will dry up. Actual research programs out of universities and marine institutes don't have the funds to mount a lot of expeditions. Those will continue, but under a lot more scrutiny too - because those are also funded by peer-reviewed government grants: you think governments want a public relations crisis on their hands?

So yes, it's sad that a moron who built a Lego death sub is going to hinder deep sea exploration for the next decade.

Anonymous wrote:This is a long thread, so I don't know if this is already been mentioned. But the reason that the owner of the vessel was able to cut so many corners was because they were exploring an international waters, so no laws applied. Not US regulations nor any other country's regulation applied to this exploration. The business owner of this venture is a piece of sh!t.

It's actually because they launched directly in international waters. Any vessel that uses a country's ports is subject to that country's regulations. But the submersible itself doesn't use U.S. or Canadian ports so it's exempt. It's possible countries will try to close this loophole given the expensive rescue operation.

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Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

Do tell what science they were engaging in. Why safety measures on submarines are always a good idea? Mission accomplished. You are an absolute fool if you think science was anything but a thinly veiled guise for what this was really all about: vanity tourism.

Exactly…just like the rich people who pay to be hauled up Everest by sherpas aren’t explorers.

Anonymous wrote:What does this mean? The Guardian just quoted someone saying this incident has ruined future research that could have been done on the Titanic wreck site. Why?

“The chances of any future research being carried out on the wreck of Titanic is extremely slim. Probably not in my lifetime.”

The legit research orgs that safely explored the Titanic site for the past 25+ years are probably now uninsurable.

Anonymous wrote:‘It was not, as some people say, a reckless endeavor by a bunch of one percenters who just wanted to run off and waste their money and endanger their lives and other people,” Hagen tells PEOPLE…

OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush, who is also reportedly aboard the missing submersible, created the Titan “in order to explore the deepest depths” of the ocean, Hagen says.

“He wanted to democratize the sea and open it up to individuals,” Hagen tells PEOPLE, noting that the vessel was not a tourist sub, as some reports have claimed.‘


https://people.com/man-who-has-been-on-titanic-sub-calls-it-majestic-but-risky-7550564

Nice words.

And Elon wants to save "free speech"

"Mission Specialist" is more BS spin by Stockton Rush.

They were paid tourists, but you call them "Mission Specialists" to stroke their egos and to try to not look like a greedy tour operator.

He reminds me a lot of Elizabeth Holmes.

What does this mean? The Guardian just quoted someone saying this incident has ruined future research that could have been done on the Titanic wreck site. Why?

“The chances of any future research being carried out on the wreck of Titanic is extremely slim. Probably not in my lifetime.”

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Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

Do tell what science they were engaging in. Why safety measures on submarines are always a good idea? Mission accomplished. You are an absolute fool if you think science was anything but a thinly veiled guise for what this was really all about: vanity tourism.

This is a long thread, so I don't know if this is already been mentioned. But the reason that the owner of the vessel was able to cut so many corners was because they were exploring an international waters, so no laws applied. Not US regulations nor any other country's regulation applied to this exploration. The business owner of this venture is a piece of sh!t.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you people picking on the fact that they were rich? I don’t understand how it’s relevant.

It’s wrong to pick on them though I do think it’s relevant. Bring rich gives people access to do some risky things that make them feel special: Private planes, trips into space, race cars, the depths of the sea…and they do a lot of these things without the knowledge or respect for the seriousness of the adventures.

I’m married to a not rich pilot. I can tell you I would never fly in a private plane and I would never think I could fly myself to my cousins wedding at night. Because I understand the training needed and how important is. Their confidence and money sometimes kill them.

The rich people are the reason this trip could take place, which was not just a sightseeing tour, it’s other purpose is to monitor the titanic site from a preservation and identification perspective.

BS. The wreck has been down there for over a century. What “preservation and identification” needs to be done now?

It's disintegrating. Soon it will be gone, by 2030 according to one estimate.

https://www.businessinsider.com/titanic-shipwreck-disappearing-dive-reveals-2019-9

So what? Why do people need to go down to the bottom of the ocean in a submarine? It can be documented with machines ie the ones seen in the titanic movie.

Additionally, it’s a shipwreck from 110 years ago. Why does it need be revisited at this point?

Why do people insist on visiting those pesky pyramids? Extremely dangerous in Egypt.

Why do all those people go to Israel to visit those sites, don’t they know how dangerous it is on that plot of land?

Go away and stuff your face with crab legs. You are so tiresome.