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Anonymous wrote:Every time more information comes out about this it is more infuriating. I wish they could bring criminal charges against the police in charge. These families must just constantly be retraumatized by how many times their little children could have been saved.

Police have no legal duty to save lives.

You are correct. But it is still hard to accept that they stood around inside the school for over an hour (with at least one LEO checking their phone for score updates or whatever) and did...nothing. I mean, at minimum they could have stepped aside and let parents who wanted to retrieve their kids go in and do so--at their own risk. Regardless of what happens to these specific LEOs (nothing, I'm sure), the overall image of LEOs has forever been tarnished in the eyes of the public.

Please provide evidence the officer in question was checking scores. I’ll be waiting.

So many Chairborne rangers here with zero police training; who want to abolish all guns and have never handed a weapon or been in a combat situation who want to just blame the cops and stomp their feet and offer no viable position of how they would have done different.

So easy yet cowardly to be an armchair after the fact quarterback.

The cops in Uvalde WERE trained for this specific situation and plenty of LEOs with actual experience have been speaking out regularly about how the Uvalde police failed at nearly every step of the way.

So you can call us cowardly all you want for pointing out the obvious deficiencies in the police response, but the real cowards are the trained, heavily-armed men with protective gear who stood there for over an hour while a single gunman slaughtered kids a short distance away.

The kids were slaughtered in the first two minutes when the shooter fired 100 rounds.

Really? How do you know? Because this article with a very detailed timeline bolstered by actual evidence show that the gunman was still shooting more than 10 minutes after his initial shots. He started shooting around 11:34am--"The gunman fired shots at least three more times — at 11:40 a.m., 11:44 a.m., and 12:21 p.m. — but officers held their positions. That was true even as more police filed in and four ballistic shields were carried into the building over the next 40 minutes.'"

Why was the gunman still shooting up to 45 minutes after his initial shots if everyone was already dead?

https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/20/uvalde-police-shooting-response-records/

How can dead kids be calling 911 from inside the classroom?

Kids were not the only ones calling. Eva Mirales, one of the two teachers that was killed called her husband--who was an officer and was on the scene--to tell him she was injured. Her husband was disarmed and prevented from going to help her.

According to McCraw, Mireles called her husband, officer Ruben Ruiz, from her classroom during the rampage. She allegedly told him that "she had been shot and was dying. And what happened to him, is he tried to move forward into the hallway," McCraw testified. "He was detained and they took his gun away from him and escorted him off the scene."

Anonymous wrote:Look. These are small-town cops who likely never in their wildest imaginations thought they’d be dealing with a school shooter.
Most of the crime in Uvalde is larceny and property crimes. Violent crime rate is below the national average and is mostly assaults.

They weren’t really prepared to be cops who would lay their lives on the line. So they didn’t.

When the far-reached theory suddenly became their reality, they all froze. Every one of them. Bc the theory of dying to save others may be ok, but the reality—not so much.

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Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for that evidence the officer was checking sports scores. That seems to be a point of contention to some poster, so fire away with your evidence.

He was checking messages from his wife, who was one of the teachers shot and she had told him she was dying.

Anonymous wrote:Still waiting for that evidence the officer was checking sports scores. That seems to be a point of contention to some poster, so fire away with your evidence.

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Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

Cops barely get any training. They weed out people who are smart and have any empathy.

Anonymous wrote:Yeah to use a phrase I learned from the January 6 hearings. If I was a parent I would be throwing that department a red wedding

Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

Anonymous wrote:The young boy who was hiding with a friend was interviewed Friday. This boys were in that room for 77 minutes with a madman. He explicitly confirmed that the girl who called out I’m here, in here in response to the officer asking if kids were ok was shot point blank when she cried out. Three mothers were interviewed. One described how her son is retreating each day. She conveyed that he described the mass amounts of blood looking like red jello. A girl that was shot next to him was gurgling for a period of time, but there was nothing he could do. The other two moms were sobbing that she was gasping for air. She could have been saved. More kids could have been saved. Texas, go ahead and hide behind your guns. You’re all so brave until you’re actually confronted with death. You’ve proven you’re cowards. A mother, 5’3” and maybe 110 soaking wet broke into her kids classroom and saved the entire class, teacher, plus her 2 kids. Texas is in for a reckoning. Abbott, Cruz and the rest should be voted out! There’s nothing Texas does bigger or better. VOTE THEM OUT TEXANS. Those parents have been treated like their invisible, said one parent. They get updates from social media and mainstream news. No phone calls or emails. No communication. No help. They’re taking the surviving kids to therapy and medical appointments. No financial help or resources! Why are Texans willing to put up with this? Don’t just say enough! Listen to these parents. Why aren’t you listening? Cruz left you freezing, without power and heat for weeks. VOTE for those who will protect your children.

Anonymous wrote:There is no justification or defense for what we saw in that video. However, even if someone wants to defend the cops who were first on the scene because they didn't have the same tactical gear as the SWAT team, what's the excuse for the SWAT guys not rushing in?? They DID have the proper gear. Stopping an active shooter is literally their job. It's bad enough the first cops ignored standard practice implemented post-Columbine and didn't stop the shooter. It's even worse than the SWAT team didn't do it.

I'm so angry. I truly don't know how those parents haven't burned down the police department.

UVALDE, Texas (AP) — Multiple police officers armed with rifles and at least one ballistic shield stood and waited in a school hallway for nearly an hour while a gunman carried out a massacre of 19 elementary students and two teachers, according to a Monday news report that marks the latest embarrassing revelation about the failure of law enforcement to thwart the attack.

The officers with heavier firepower and tactical equipment were there within 19 minutes of the gunman arriving on campus — earlier than previously known, according to documents reviewed by the Austin American-Statesman and KVUE-TV.

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Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.

What did Trump say about that Sergeant again? “He knew what he signed up for.”

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Anonymous wrote:This would be like a doctor going to school, taking all the necessary courses and ongoing training and then during your heart surgery. Just being like you know what I'm not comfortable with this and walking out of the operating room. Who goes into a profession trains for that profession gets paid to do that profession but then refuses to do the actual work when it comes down to it.

When you realize that you personally might actually die.