Anonymous
03/09/2020 23:34
Subject: CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Honestly, how scared should I be right now? What is the likelihood that I will get this virus? What is the likelihood that I will die?
It's about distancing people from each other by quarantines and closures so that we can slow the rate of transmission down enough that hospitals won't be deluged in cases. If they are, seriously ill patients will die from lack of medical attention, like they're doing right now in northern Italy, and like they did in Wuhan. If hospitals don't have enough beds or personnel or equipment during the surge, people who shouldn't have died in the normal course of events WILL DIE from lack of adequate healthcare. It could be you or me, it will most likely be those who are most at-risk, as well as some unlucky healthy and younger patients who lie forgotten in some hospital corridor.
Virology explanation:
This is a new virus that just jumped the species barrier and as a result is not adapted to humans. Because of that it's more likely to kill its host or make it very ill, instead of living quietly and replicating. The consequence is that there is a characteristic spike in cases, like for all pandemics (that are all due to new strains maladapted to humans). THE SPIKE IS WHAT'S LETHAL TO THE COMMUNITY. Healthcare system are not made to receive so many patients at once, and they break down from over-solicitation. This will happen if we don't implement closures right now.
I hope you understand.
- microbiologist
guess who's back...back again...
Anonymous
03/09/2020 23:30
Subject: CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, how scared should I be right now? What is the likelihood that I will get this virus? What is the likelihood that I will die?
It's about distancing people from each other by quarantines and closures so that we can slow the rate of transmission down enough that hospitals won't be deluged in cases. If they are, seriously ill patients will die from lack of medical attention, like they're doing right now in northern Italy, and like they did in Wuhan. If hospitals don't have enough beds or personnel or equipment during the surge, people who shouldn't have died in the normal course of events WILL DIE from lack of adequate healthcare. It could be you or me, it will most likely be those who are most at-risk, as well as some unlucky healthy and younger patients who lie forgotten in some hospital corridor.
Virology explanation:
This is a new virus that just jumped the species barrier and as a result is not adapted to humans. Because of that it's more likely to kill its host or make it very ill, instead of living quietly and replicating. The consequence is that there is a characteristic spike in cases, like for all pandemics (that are all due to new strains maladapted to humans). THE SPIKE IS WHAT'S LETHAL TO THE COMMUNITY. Healthcare system are not made to receive so many patients at once, and they break down from over-solicitation. This will happen if we don't implement closures right now.
I hope you understand.
- microbiologist
Anonymous
03/09/2020 23:25
Subject: CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Young healthy American guy describes his horrible experience with this virus. From the hospital. You people need to wake up. Yes this is a threat to your kids and yourself, not just the olds. https://people.com/health/new-jersey-first-patient-coronavirus-patient-speaks-out-from-hospital-bed/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag&utm_campaign=peoplemag&fbclid=IwAR0dZZiUQnU_HPlf_AXfznEAV7cA2d2Kw9wnvmntCUFCFpEhDPx8XCCe6xU&fbclid=IwAR0BCTvn3W7cDK35qEJqcVuZC5UW_NWa8HEUdItjyby8ybfi7Xwvs2Ho4cc
Not sure if it was the patient or the reporter but that article was not informative or thoughtful.
It was terribly written.
Al you dissmissl the witness because of poorly written. You must love junk food, it tastes so good and is beautifully wrwpped!
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Anonymous
03/09/2020 23:24
Subject: CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Chinese just threatened to withhold antibiotics from us if we keep 'blaming them' There's your global economy idiots.
They are going to grab us at the balls and twist. They are won’t send their surplus of test kits to anyone but Iran. They can’t wait to get cranking on 5g, cyber, life sciences etc while Europe and USA flounder around shutting down every piece of their economies. And and blaming trump.
Nationalism just keeps looking better and better.
No. Take these lies elsewhere.
China is beating us at life sciences because the REPUBLICAN PARTY LIT OUR LIFE SCIENCE INDUSTRY ON FIRE in pursuit of nationalism.
America’s economy is the best in the world because of science, and our science is the best in the world because smart immigrants found a home and a life here.
Einstein: physics. Von Braun: rocket science. Von Neumann: computing.
Also: founders of Intel, Google, Biogen, Gilead came out of our university system. Which depends on immigrants.
Republicans hate immigrants because they can get low-educated white voters to blame their problems on immigrants. Fine: that anti-immigrant propaganda helps McConnell stay in office and Koch and Murdoch achieve their agenda.
But it has destroyed our universities and our research enterprise.
The Republican Party is responsible and will continue to be responsible as China spreads their propaganda saying the US has lost its scientific advantage, pointing to the CDC, destroyed by the GOP, and to our coronavirus response. Don’t even try to blame this on Democrats, who have fought the GOP at every turn in their effort to impugn universities, media, government, and science.
Remember how China disappeared that doctor who they claim died of the virus? Everything about that tells you how wrong you are. But you conveniently forgot that, right?
Anonymous
03/09/2020 23:23
Subject: CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, how scared should I be right now? What is the likelihood that I will get this virus? What is the likelihood that I will die?
I honestly don't know. It started in China. They lie.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 23:21
Subject: CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Chinese just threatened to withhold antibiotics from us if we keep 'blaming them' There's your global economy idiots.
They are going to grab us at the balls and twist. They are won’t send their surplus of test kits to anyone but Iran. They can’t wait to get cranking on 5g, cyber, life sciences etc while Europe and USA flounder around shutting down every piece of their economies. And and blaming trump.
Nationalism just keeps looking better and better.
No. Take these lies elsewhere.
China is beating us at life sciences because the REPUBLICAN PARTY LIT OUR LIFE SCIENCE INDUSTRY ON FIRE in pursuit of nationalism.
America’s economy is the best in the world because of science, and our science is the best in the world because smart immigrants found a home and a life here.
Einstein: physics. Von Braun: rocket science. Von Neumann: computing.
Also: founders of Intel, Google, Biogen, Gilead came out of our university system. Which depends on immigrants.
Republicans hate immigrants because they can get low-educated white voters to blame their problems on immigrants. Fine: that anti-immigrant propaganda helps McConnell stay in office and Koch and Murdoch achieve their agenda.
But it has destroyed our universities and our research enterprise.
The Republican Party is responsible and will continue to be responsible as China spreads their propaganda saying the US has lost its scientific advantage, pointing to the CDC, destroyed by the GOP, and to our coronavirus response. Don’t even try to blame this on Democrats, who have fought the GOP at every turn in their effort to impugn universities, media, government, and science.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 23:20
Subject: Re:CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain how China handled this “well” when they deliberately allowed thousands to attend the Wuhan banquet when they knew they had a problem. Those people thereafter dispersed allowing this to get much worse. That’s is insane.
The people that are defending China here are insane as well.
They work for the gover
No, we are intelligent people who realize that as the first country impacted, China has a more of an excuse than others regarding slowness of response and making mistakes. They corrected themselves later by cracking down in the most terrible way and locking people into a city with dwindling resources and dead and dying all over the place. Essentially they sacrificed many Wuhan lives to save the rest of their country. It was a VERY tough choice to make, after losing critical time at the beginning of the epidemic. Again, I refuse to judge them. No country on earth would want to be in their place and be forced to make that choice!
Here's the truth: The bar for rapid response and correct procedures gets higher for subsequent countries who have had more time to prepare for the coming of the novel coronavirus. The USA must learn from Italy, South Korea and the rest. Right now, the USA is NOT responding quickly and drastically enough, and we will judge this country more harshly than the ones how preceded it, because it's a wealthier country with more resources than European countries, plus it had time to brush up on pandemic response.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 23:18
Subject: CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
Honestly, how scared should I be right now? What is the likelihood that I will get this virus? What is the likelihood that I will die?
Anonymous
03/09/2020 23:12
Subject: Re:CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain how China handled this “well” when they deliberately allowed thousands to attend the Wuhan banquet when they knew they had a problem. Those people thereafter dispersed allowing this to get much worse. That’s is insane.
The people that are defending China here are insane as well.
They work for the gover
Anonymous
03/09/2020 23:11
Subject: CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
Anonymous wrote:All this freaking out is so irresponsible. At risk people should quarantine themselves. Lighting the entire economy on fire so that an 80 year old can make it to 81 without quarantining themselves is the height of stupidity! Are there any sensible people out there???
I would love to see more make it to 100
Anonymous
03/09/2020 22:53
Subject: Re:CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
Anonymous wrote:What they did right in Taiwan:
Taiwan quickly mobilized and instituted specific approaches for case identification, containment, and resource allocation to protect the public health. Taiwan leveraged its national health insurance database and integrated it with its immigration and customs database to begin the creation of big data for analytics; it generated real-time alerts during a clinical visit based on travel history and clinical symptoms to aid case identification. It also used new technology, including QR code scanning and online reporting of travel history and health symptoms to classify travelers’ infectious risks based on flight origin and travel history in the past 14 days. Persons with low risk (no travel to level 3 alert areas) were sent a health declaration border pass via SMS (short message service) messaging to their phones for faster immigration clearance; those with higher risk (recent travel to level 3 alert areas) were quarantined at home and tracked through their mobile phone to ensure that they remained at home during the incubation period.
Moreover, Taiwan enhanced COVID-19 case finding by proactively seeking out patients with severe respiratory symptoms (based on information from the National Health Insurance [NHI] database) who had tested negative for influenza and retested them for COVID-19; 1 was found of 113 cases. The toll-free number 1922 served as a hotline for citizens to report suspicious symptoms or cases in themselves or others; as the disease progressed, this hotline has reached full capacity, so each major city was asked to create its own hotline as an alternative. It is not known how often this hotline has been used. The government addressed the issue of disease stigma and compassion for those affected by providing food, frequent health checks, and encouragement for those under quarantine. This rapid response included hundreds of action items (eTable in the Supplement).
On December 31, 2019, when the World Health Organization was notified of pneumonia of unknown cause in Wuhan, China, Taiwanese officials began to board planes and assess passengers on direct flights from Wuhan for fever and pneumonia symptoms before passengers could deplane. As early as January 5, 2020, notification was expanded to include any individual who had traveled to Wuhan in the past 14 days and had a fever or symptoms of upper respiratory tract infection at the point of entry; suspected cases were screened for 26 viruses including SARS and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS). Passengers displaying symptoms of fever and coughing were quarantined at home and assessed whether medical attention at a hospital was necessary.
In the old days, there were no flights from China directly into Taiwan, did not know that was changed.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689?guestAccessKey=2a3c6994-9e10-4a0b-9f32-cc2fb55b61a5&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=030320
Anonymous
03/09/2020 22:51
Subject: CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Young healthy American guy describes his horrible experience with this virus. From the hospital. You people need to wake up. Yes this is a threat to your kids and yourself, not just the olds. https://people.com/health/new-jersey-first-patient-coronavirus-patient-speaks-out-from-hospital-bed/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag&utm_campaign=peoplemag&fbclid=IwAR0dZZiUQnU_HPlf_AXfznEAV7cA2d2Kw9wnvmntCUFCFpEhDPx8XCCe6xU&fbclid=IwAR0BCTvn3W7cDK35qEJqcVuZC5UW_NWa8HEUdItjyby8ybfi7Xwvs2Ho4cc
Not sure if it was the patient or the reporter but that article was not informative or thoughtful.
My favorite was the interview with the girl who's what, 28, and is a health reporter speaking with the authority of a medical professional. You work for People. GEEZ
Anonymous
03/09/2020 22:49
Subject: CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
GDS closed tomorrow because of staff member whose partner works at Christ Church and tested positive.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 22:45
Subject: CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Young healthy American guy describes his horrible experience with this virus. From the hospital. You people need to wake up. Yes this is a threat to your kids and yourself, not just the olds. https://people.com/health/new-jersey-first-patient-coronavirus-patient-speaks-out-from-hospital-bed/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&xid=socialflow_facebook_peoplemag&utm_campaign=peoplemag&fbclid=IwAR0dZZiUQnU_HPlf_AXfznEAV7cA2d2Kw9wnvmntCUFCFpEhDPx8XCCe6xU&fbclid=IwAR0BCTvn3W7cDK35qEJqcVuZC5UW_NWa8HEUdItjyby8ybfi7Xwvs2Ho4cc
Not sure if it was the patient or the reporter but that article was not informative or thoughtful.
It was terribly written.
Anonymous
03/09/2020 22:43
Subject: Re:CORONAVIRUS/COVID-19 NEW MEGA THREAD
What they did right in Taiwan:
Taiwan quickly mobilized and instituted specific approaches for case identification, containment, and resource allocation to protect the public health. Taiwan leveraged its national health insurance database and integrated it with its immigration and customs database to begin the creation of big data for analytics; it generated real-time alerts during a clinical visit based on travel history and clinical symptoms to aid case identification. It also used new technology, including QR code scanning and online reporting of travel history and health symptoms to classify travelers’ infectious risks based on flight origin and travel history in the past 14 days. Persons with low risk (no travel to level 3 alert areas) were sent a health declaration border pass via SMS (short message service) messaging to their phones for faster immigration clearance; those with higher risk (recent travel to level 3 alert areas) were quarantined at home and tracked through their mobile phone to ensure that they remained at home during the incubation period.
Moreover, Taiwan enhanced COVID-19 case finding by proactively seeking out patients with severe respiratory symptoms (based on information from the National Health Insurance [NHI] database) who had tested negative for influenza and retested them for COVID-19; 1 was found of 113 cases. The toll-free number 1922 served as a hotline for citizens to report suspicious symptoms or cases in themselves or others; as the disease progressed, this hotline has reached full capacity, so each major city was asked to create its own hotline as an alternative. It is not known how often this hotline has been used. The government addressed the issue of disease stigma and compassion for those affected by providing food, frequent health checks, and encouragement for those under quarantine. This rapid response included hundreds of action items (eTable in the Supplement).
On December 31, 2019, when the World Health Organization was notified of pneumonia of unknown cause in Wuhan, China, Taiwanese officials began to board planes and assess passengers on direct flights from Wuhan for fever and pneumonia symptoms before passengers could deplane. As early as January 5, 2020, notification was expanded to include any individual who had traveled to Wuhan in the past 14 days and had a fever or symptoms of upper respiratory tract infection at the point of entry; suspected cases were screened for 26 viruses including SARS and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS). Passengers displaying symptoms of fever and coughing were quarantined at home and assessed whether medical attention at a hospital was necessary.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689?guestAccessKey=2a3c6994-9e10-4a0b-9f32-cc2fb55b61a5&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=030320
Taiwan quickly mobilized and instituted specific approaches for case identification, containment, and resource allocation to protect the public health. Taiwan leveraged its national health insurance database and integrated it with its immigration and customs database to begin the creation of big data for analytics; it generated real-time alerts during a clinical visit based on travel history and clinical symptoms to aid case identification. It also used new technology, including QR code scanning and online reporting of travel history and health symptoms to classify travelers’ infectious risks based on flight origin and travel history in the past 14 days. Persons with low risk (no travel to level 3 alert areas) were sent a health declaration border pass via SMS (short message service) messaging to their phones for faster immigration clearance; those with higher risk (recent travel to level 3 alert areas) were quarantined at home and tracked through their mobile phone to ensure that they remained at home during the incubation period.
Moreover, Taiwan enhanced COVID-19 case finding by proactively seeking out patients with severe respiratory symptoms (based on information from the National Health Insurance [NHI] database) who had tested negative for influenza and retested them for COVID-19; 1 was found of 113 cases. The toll-free number 1922 served as a hotline for citizens to report suspicious symptoms or cases in themselves or others; as the disease progressed, this hotline has reached full capacity, so each major city was asked to create its own hotline as an alternative. It is not known how often this hotline has been used. The government addressed the issue of disease stigma and compassion for those affected by providing food, frequent health checks, and encouragement for those under quarantine. This rapid response included hundreds of action items (eTable in the Supplement).
On December 31, 2019, when the World Health Organization was notified of pneumonia of unknown cause in Wuhan, China, Taiwanese officials began to board planes and assess passengers on direct flights from Wuhan for fever and pneumonia symptoms before passengers could deplane. As early as January 5, 2020, notification was expanded to include any individual who had traveled to Wuhan in the past 14 days and had a fever or symptoms of upper respiratory tract infection at the point of entry; suspected cases were screened for 26 viruses including SARS and Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS). Passengers displaying symptoms of fever and coughing were quarantined at home and assessed whether medical attention at a hospital was necessary.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689?guestAccessKey=2a3c6994-9e10-4a0b-9f32-cc2fb55b61a5&utm_source=For_The_Media&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ftm_links&utm_content=tfl&utm_term=030320