Anonymous
04/06/2025 22:16
Subject: Re:Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive
H2A visa exists to bring in labor for seasonal or temporary agricultural jobs.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
What an absolutely bizarre system we had. Have an economy dependent on illegal immigration. Don't punish the business owners hiring illegal immigrants. Encourage illegal immigrants to pay taxes and be good eggs to increase their chances to shift to legal status. Have one part of government trying to remove them while another part couldn't care less about their status as long as the tax revenue rolled in.
A sane country would issue visas to bring in labor needed to meet demand. But we aren't a sane country. Yet not being sane and not issuing visas doesn't make labor demand go away.
Anonymous
04/06/2025 20:17
Subject: Re:Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
What an absolutely bizarre system we had. Have an economy dependent on illegal immigration. Don't punish the business owners hiring illegal immigrants. Encourage illegal immigrants to pay taxes and be good eggs to increase their chances to shift to legal status. Have one part of government trying to remove them while another part couldn't care less about their status as long as the tax revenue rolled in.
A sane country would issue visas to bring in labor needed to meet demand. But we aren't a sane country. Yet not being sane and not issuing visas doesn't make labor demand go away.
Absolutely false. More propaganda from republicans. Why are you that naive ????
I consider labor shortages wonderful. I have never known anything bad to come from a labor shortage, and what we are doing with our immigration policy is keeping the labor market in constant surplus.
Vernon Briggs
Cornell Labor Economist
The underlying truth about the immigration battle is that is is fundamentally between those with an insatiable appetite for more cheap, disposable, foreign workers, and those who embrace the social good of tight labor markets.
Anonymous
04/06/2025 20:14
Subject: Re:Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
What an absolutely bizarre system we had. Have an economy dependent on illegal immigration. Don't punish the business owners hiring illegal immigrants. Encourage illegal immigrants to pay taxes and be good eggs to increase their chances to shift to legal status. Have one part of government trying to remove them while another part couldn't care less about their status as long as the tax revenue rolled in.
A sane country would issue visas to bring in labor needed to meet demand. But we aren't a sane country. Yet not being sane and not issuing visas doesn't make labor demand go away.
Demand can shove off on the next boat right after paying tariffs.
Anonymous
04/06/2025 19:55
Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive
Anonymous wrote:
Millions? It was barely a million and most of them were already here from prior pre-Biden programs with no deviation from prior administrations, e.g. Haitians, Afghanis, etc. And, parole is also only a TEMPORARY status, it does not confer any permanent status whatsoever.
As usual the right wing talking heads grossly misrepresent everything.
Yet we have judges putting in restraining orders on revoking temporary status.
And of course when the temporary status is revoked, there is no guarantee these people will leave.
Hence the title of this thread.
The intention behind the paroles is to have permanent status, a base that will push for future amnesty.
Anonymous
04/06/2025 08:40
Subject: Re:Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive
Anonymous wrote:
What an absolutely bizarre system we had. Have an economy dependent on illegal immigration. Don't punish the business owners hiring illegal immigrants. Encourage illegal immigrants to pay taxes and be good eggs to increase their chances to shift to legal status. Have one part of government trying to remove them while another part couldn't care less about their status as long as the tax revenue rolled in.
A sane country would issue visas to bring in labor needed to meet demand. But we aren't a sane country. Yet not being sane and not issuing visas doesn't make labor demand go away.
Anonymous
04/06/2025 08:32
Subject: Re:Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive
Anonymous wrote:
What an absolutely bizarre system we had. Have an economy dependent on illegal immigration. Don't punish the business owners hiring illegal immigrants. Encourage illegal immigrants to pay taxes and be good eggs to increase their chances to shift to legal status. Have one part of government trying to remove them while another part couldn't care less about their status as long as the tax revenue rolled in.
The messiness was by design. It's a feature. Though yeah, it's annoying. Especially, that's why Democrats are having such a tough time. They've landed on the wrong side of a popular issue and have all of this bureaucratic inertia. Sanctuary cities, all these judges and appointees, institutions, they can't just reverse course and bring their platform in line with the voter's needs. Obama made a very poor decision on immigration.
Anonymous
04/06/2025 08:28
Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive
Anonymous wrote:Told the judge would work towards bringing this person back to the US, which is not the government's position.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:According to the Wall Street Journal, a senior immigration lawyer at the DOJ just got put on indefinitely for a candid comment.
His crime? Reuveni told a judge the Trump administration hadn’t given him a satisfactory answer why a man was deported to an El Salvador prison in error.
Nazi Barbie (a.k.a. Trump’s personal lawyer Bondi) said:
“At my direction, every Department of Justice attorney is required to zealously advocate on behalf of the United States. Any attorney who fails to abide by this direction will face consequences.”
At this rate, the justice department will only have crazy MAGA lawyers left and since there probably tons of them, the department will be grossly understaffed.
Justice Department Suspends Lawyer Over Candid Comments on Immigration Case
https://apple.news/AjWEN_GgQRGCqZW7NRsaasQ
Great. The lawyer is hit with an impossible choice: lie to the judge or lose his job.
Fan boys of the maga regime are saying to impeach or even deport the judge. There needs to be a serious and permanent consequence when an illegal deportation happens. Next thing, DHS will deport a citizen to the El Salvador gulag and declare, “oops, nothing we can do now!”
Anonymous
04/06/2025 08:21
Subject: Re:Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive
What an absolutely bizarre system we had. Have an economy dependent on illegal immigration. Don't punish the business owners hiring illegal immigrants. Encourage illegal immigrants to pay taxes and be good eggs to increase their chances to shift to legal status. Have one part of government trying to remove them while another part couldn't care less about their status as long as the tax revenue rolled in.
Anonymous
04/06/2025 01:44
Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Haitians is TPS not parole. However, Biden did not make individual determinations on a case by case basis, but instituted a general policy of letting in millions on parole.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clearly mass deportation not that expensive if you don't have to worry about due process or the Constitution.[/quote
You start by canceling Biden's illegal paroles. Getting them to self-deport would be far cheaper, but more likely these people won't leave on their own.
Illegal how?
I think this is the actual statute that makes it legal:
5)(A) The Secretary of Homeland Security may, except as provided in subparagraph (B) or in section 1184(f) of this title, in his discretion parole into the United States temporarily under such conditions as he may prescribe only on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit any alien applying for admission to the United States, but such parole of such alien shall not be regarded as an admission of the alien and when the purposes of such parole shall, in the opinion of the Secretary of Homeland Security, have been served the alien shall forthwith return or be returned to the custody from which he was paroled and thereafter his case shall continue to be dealt with in the same manner as that of any other applicant for admission to the United States.
(B) The Secretary of Homeland Security may not parole into the United States an alien who is a refugee unless the Secretary of Homeland Security determines that compelling reasons in the public interest with respect to that particular alien require that the alien be paroled into the United States rather than be admitted as a refugee under section 1157 of this title.
(1184(f) has to do with seagoing vessels and aircraft.
So of course parole may be removed, but it is hardly illegal in the first place.
It is incredibly frustrating to hear how simplistic people are about this stuff. Let's consider the Haitians working in Springfield (who are not, in fact, eating pets). They fulfill labor needs for the area. Their presence has been lawful. Now, apparently, their protected status has been or is being removed. How is this starting with the "worst of the worst" or whatever? How is shipping people who have CURRENT asylum cases pending? How is going after green card holders who have long ago misdemeanors? How is this being done without deference to actual court proceedings involving accused individuals?
Imagine if the egg-layer culling for bird flu had taken place in this manner. Officials would show up at random chicken farms, backyard chicken coops, county fair "fancy poultry" exhibitions, wildlife rescue programs, wildlife refuges during duck hunting season, endangered species programs to reintroduce birds (like those great blue herons they have to teach to fly a migration route), dovecotes, and probably snatch a bunch of bald-headed eagles without regard for actual bird flu outbreaks. That's what it would look like.
The removal of aliens has been defined by a chaos-ridden free-for-all.
Millions? It was barely a million and most of them were already here from prior pre-Biden programs with no deviation from prior administrations, e.g. Haitians, Afghanis, etc. And, parole is also only a TEMPORARY status, it does not confer any permanent status whatsoever.
As usual the right wing talking heads grossly misrepresent everything.
Anonymous
04/05/2025 20:52
Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive
Told the judge would work towards bringing this person back to the US, which is not the government's position.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:According to the Wall Street Journal, a senior immigration lawyer at the DOJ just got put on indefinitely for a candid comment.
His crime? Reuveni told a judge the Trump administration hadn’t given him a satisfactory answer why a man was deported to an El Salvador prison in error.
Nazi Barbie (a.k.a. Trump’s personal lawyer Bondi) said:
“At my direction, every Department of Justice attorney is required to zealously advocate on behalf of the United States. Any attorney who fails to abide by this direction will face consequences.”
At this rate, the justice department will only have crazy MAGA lawyers left and since there probably tons of them, the department will be grossly understaffed.
Justice Department Suspends Lawyer Over Candid Comments on Immigration Case
https://apple.news/AjWEN_GgQRGCqZW7NRsaasQ
Great. The lawyer is hit with an impossible choice: lie to the judge or lose his job.
Anonymous
04/05/2025 20:47
Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive
Anonymous wrote:Haitians is TPS not parole. However, Biden did not make individual determinations on a case by case basis, but instituted a general policy of letting in millions on parole.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clearly mass deportation not that expensive if you don't have to worry about due process or the Constitution.[/quote
You start by canceling Biden's illegal paroles. Getting them to self-deport would be far cheaper, but more likely these people won't leave on their own.
Illegal how?
I think this is the actual statute that makes it legal:
5)(A) The Secretary of Homeland Security may, except as provided in subparagraph (B) or in section 1184(f) of this title, in his discretion parole into the United States temporarily under such conditions as he may prescribe only on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit any alien applying for admission to the United States, but such parole of such alien shall not be regarded as an admission of the alien and when the purposes of such parole shall, in the opinion of the Secretary of Homeland Security, have been served the alien shall forthwith return or be returned to the custody from which he was paroled and thereafter his case shall continue to be dealt with in the same manner as that of any other applicant for admission to the United States.
(B) The Secretary of Homeland Security may not parole into the United States an alien who is a refugee unless the Secretary of Homeland Security determines that compelling reasons in the public interest with respect to that particular alien require that the alien be paroled into the United States rather than be admitted as a refugee under section 1157 of this title.
(1184(f) has to do with seagoing vessels and aircraft.
So of course parole may be removed, but it is hardly illegal in the first place.
It is incredibly frustrating to hear how simplistic people are about this stuff. Let's consider the Haitians working in Springfield (who are not, in fact, eating pets). They fulfill labor needs for the area. Their presence has been lawful. Now, apparently, their protected status has been or is being removed. How is this starting with the "worst of the worst" or whatever? How is shipping people who have CURRENT asylum cases pending? How is going after green card holders who have long ago misdemeanors? How is this being done without deference to actual court proceedings involving accused individuals?
Imagine if the egg-layer culling for bird flu had taken place in this manner. Officials would show up at random chicken farms, backyard chicken coops, county fair "fancy poultry" exhibitions, wildlife rescue programs, wildlife refuges during duck hunting season, endangered species programs to reintroduce birds (like those great blue herons they have to teach to fly a migration route), dovecotes, and probably snatch a bunch of bald-headed eagles without regard for actual bird flu outbreaks. That's what it would look like.
The removal of aliens has been defined by a chaos-ridden free-for-all.
Anonymous
04/05/2025 20:05
Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive
Anonymous wrote:According to the Wall Street Journal, a senior immigration lawyer at the DOJ just got put on indefinitely for a candid comment.
His crime? Reuveni told a judge the Trump administration hadn’t given him a satisfactory answer why a man was deported to an El Salvador prison in error.
Nazi Barbie (a.k.a. Trump’s personal lawyer Bondi) said:
“At my direction, every Department of Justice attorney is required to zealously advocate on behalf of the United States. Any attorney who fails to abide by this direction will face consequences.”
At this rate, the justice department will only have crazy MAGA lawyers left and since there probably tons of them, the department will be grossly understaffed.
Justice Department Suspends Lawyer Over Candid Comments on Immigration Case
https://apple.news/AjWEN_GgQRGCqZW7NRsaasQ
Great. The lawyer is hit with an impossible choice: lie to the judge or lose his job.
Anonymous
04/05/2025 20:04
Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Clearly mass deportation not that expensive if you don't have to worry about due process or the Constitution.[/quote
You start by canceling Biden's illegal paroles. Getting them to self-deport would be far cheaper, but more likely these people won't leave on their own.
Illegal how?
I think this is the actual statute that makes it legal:
5)(A) The Secretary of Homeland Security may, except as provided in subparagraph (B) or in section 1184(f) of this title, in his discretion parole into the United States temporarily under such conditions as he may prescribe only on a case-by-case basis for urgent humanitarian reasons or significant public benefit any alien applying for admission to the United States, but such parole of such alien shall not be regarded as an admission of the alien and when the purposes of such parole shall, in the opinion of the Secretary of Homeland Security, have been served the alien shall forthwith return or be returned to the custody from which he was paroled and thereafter his case shall continue to be dealt with in the same manner as that of any other applicant for admission to the United States.
(B) The Secretary of Homeland Security may not parole into the United States an alien who is a refugee unless the Secretary of Homeland Security determines that compelling reasons in the public interest with respect to that particular alien require that the alien be paroled into the United States rather than be admitted as a refugee under section 1157 of this title.
(1184(f) has to do with seagoing vessels and aircraft.
So of course parole may be removed, but it is hardly illegal in the first place.
It is incredibly frustrating to hear how simplistic people are about this stuff. Let's consider the Haitians working in Springfield (who are not, in fact, eating pets). They fulfill labor needs for the area. Their presence has been lawful. Now, apparently, their protected status has been or is being removed. How is this starting with the "worst of the worst" or whatever? How is shipping people who have CURRENT asylum cases pending? How is going after green card holders who have long ago misdemeanors? How is this being done without deference to actual court proceedings involving accused individuals?
Imagine if the egg-layer culling for bird flu had taken place in this manner. Officials would show up at random chicken farms, backyard chicken coops, county fair "fancy poultry" exhibitions, wildlife rescue programs, wildlife refuges during duck hunting season, endangered species programs to reintroduce birds (like those great blue herons they have to teach to fly a migration route), dovecotes, and probably snatch a bunch of bald-headed eagles without regard for actual bird flu outbreaks. That's what it would look like.
The removal of aliens has been defined by a chaos-ridden free-for-all.
Anonymous
04/05/2025 19:55
Subject: Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive
According to the Wall Street Journal, a senior immigration lawyer at the DOJ just got put on indefinitely for a candid comment.
His crime? Reuveni told a judge the Trump administration hadn’t given him a satisfactory answer why a man was deported to an El Salvador prison in error.
Nazi Barbie (a.k.a. Trump’s personal lawyer Bondi) said:
“At my direction, every Department of Justice attorney is required to zealously advocate on behalf of the United States. Any attorney who fails to abide by this direction will face consequences.”
At this rate, the justice department will only have crazy MAGA lawyers left and since there probably tons of them, the department will be grossly understaffed.
Justice Department Suspends Lawyer Over Candid Comments on Immigration Case
https://apple.news/AjWEN_GgQRGCqZW7NRsaasQ
His crime? Reuveni told a judge the Trump administration hadn’t given him a satisfactory answer why a man was deported to an El Salvador prison in error.
Nazi Barbie (a.k.a. Trump’s personal lawyer Bondi) said:
“At my direction, every Department of Justice attorney is required to zealously advocate on behalf of the United States. Any attorney who fails to abide by this direction will face consequences.”
At this rate, the justice department will only have crazy MAGA lawyers left and since there probably tons of them, the department will be grossly understaffed.
Justice Department Suspends Lawyer Over Candid Comments on Immigration Case
https://apple.news/AjWEN_GgQRGCqZW7NRsaasQ