Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

I hope you’re being sarcastic.

Anonymous wrote:My hearts go out to the families and friends of those onboard. I think there is no longer any hope that they will be found alive. Those onboard knew the risks and chose them, although my head hurts for the son who may not have had enough life experience or frontal cortex development to make a truly informed decision. In any event, I can hope the surviving relatives and friends find peace in the coming days and months.

+1000000

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

What are they discovering that hasn't already been seen/done? Even that submersible vehicle has made multiple previous trips to the Titanic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think they are right next to the Titanic but cannot be seen for the debris.

I hope they had a stellar view of the Titanic as they sat there. At least get their moneys worth of view time.

I’ll bet they never even found it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole sub thing seems like an allegory depicting modern life in Arlington, Virginia

If you were to conflate the struggles of life inside of a 3 br ranch house in Arlington near a strip mall with being bolted into a metal tube slowly suffocating, crouched in bodily fluids, then yes

Both are suffocatingly depressing and pointless

Very disrespectful. The occupants of Titan would have given a lot to be you.

Doubtful. One look at my checking account balance and they'd volunteer to be back on Titan.

Anonymous wrote:I think they are right next to the Titanic but cannot be seen for the debris.

I hope they had a stellar view of the Titanic as they sat there. At least get their moneys worth of view time.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My tween thinks that maybe someone wanted the billionaire dead. He has a point. How can they not know where they are when they have the exact coordinates of the wreck and of where they last were? The submersible sank like a stone in the ocean (literally) from a specific location. Obviously, it is on the ocean floor at or very near to that exact spot.

I wondered the same thing.

Did someone want one or more of these people dead? If so, quite a way to do it.

After reading about this submarine, and knowing that they not only went voluntarily, but that they paid 250k to do it, anyone who wanted them dead could have just waited.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m still stuck on the fact that any one of those guys could have quite literally contracted a commercially rated submersible and lived to tell the tale.

Why risk the backyard junk rigged sub?
There was an expert on the news this morning talking about how bad it would be for them if they were on the surface since they aren't strapped in they'd be rolling and bouncing around non stop as would all the waste products (urine feces vomit).

The more I hear about the guy and all the safety things he flouted, the more I'm convinced he was a sociopath.

Having spent my formative years in the company of many wealthy, privileged extreme rock/mountain climber-sail boat racing - scuba diving bros, there's often a sociopathic leader daring everyone along shaming others to go beyond the limits of safety. Unfortunately, it's part of the culture.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is so effing weird. Kneejerk liberal reaction of "billionaires bad >"

And yet...the people on board the submarine aren't the ones making tasteless jokes about people who are probably dead.

Idk you couldn't pay ME $250k to get on that thing but I also think they're human beings with loved ones.

Two opposite things can be true at the same time. Of course most people feel bad for their terror, death, loss. And SMDH at the foolhardy, arrogant, wasteful indulgence.

It's like seeing some idiot in a million dollar car driving like a jerk and then having a fender bender. Wasteful indulgence confirms owner stupidity.

And what is it they say? Every billionaire is a libertarian until they need a billion dollar search and rescue effort.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

The airplane pilot, Pakistani businessman, and his son were tourists. The CEO and Titanic expert were scientists/experts/explorers or whatever.

Incorrect. They were Mission Specialists.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The way some posters are reacting, it is a wonder two bicycle shop owners ever took their crazy contraption out to Kill Devil Hills in NC.

None of the people are stupid anymore than those who strive to go to space.

Just because you would never do it, doesn’t mean others shouldn’t!

I hope they rose to the surface and just haven’t been found yet.

These guys weren't inventors. They were tourists.

It's not even like Everest, where people have to train and be fit beyond imagining. These people just wrote a check.

False. They were Mission Specialists.

Without their participation, this scientific venture would not have moved forward.

People in this area claim to be in favor of Science, but when the rubber meets the road, it is all “hurr durr! They were privileged billionaires. Their fee for this trip would have been better spent on Teslas for the unhoused”

The airplane pilot, Pakistani businessman, and his son were tourists. The CEO and Titanic expert were scientists/experts/explorers or whatever.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coast Guard officials estimated the five passengers could run out of air just before 7:10 a.m.

Maybe then this circus can die down. There was never any hope of rescue so wall to wall coverage if this for 4 straight days was getting crazy. Once the official limits of oxygen capacity have been surpassed the story can die.

You must be new to these things. Media won’t let this stop their ratings are sky high. It will turn to what we can expect when oxygen runs out (with diagrams) and hypotheticals.

CO2 levels inside 22ft vessel will act like a 'sedative' that suffocates the five missing adventurers in their sleep - but hypothermia could SAVE them.

CO2 causes fatigue, but it’s not a comfortable sedative like carbon monoxide. CO2 is what causes our body’s homeostatic system to experience “air hunger”. It’s the reason why you shouldn’t swim under water by yourself. Shallow water blackout is the term for when you exhale co2, so you don’t experience air hunger and don’t realize that you are running out of o2.

I don’t know if the sub has a mechanism for getting rid of condensation. Imagine 5 people sitting in a car or tent for 72 hours. Everyone would be wet from the condensation from exhalations. And cold from the environment. CO2 is heavier than air, so it would collect at the bottom, so they would need to keep their heads as high as possible. Unless the vessel is rolling around. If they survived until now, they are not comfortably curled up, resting.

Anonymous wrote:My tween thinks that maybe someone wanted the billionaire dead. He has a point. How can they not know where they are when they have the exact coordinates of the wreck and of where they last were? The submersible sank like a stone in the ocean (literally) from a specific location. Obviously, it is on the ocean floor at or very near to that exact spot.

I wondered the same thing.

Did someone want one or more of these people dead? If so, quite a way to do it.

Anonymous wrote:I’m still stuck on the fact that any one of those guys could have quite literally contracted a commercially rated submersible and lived to tell the tale.

Why risk the backyard junk rigged sub?
There was an expert on the news this morning talking about how bad it would be for them if they were on the surface since they aren't strapped in they'd be rolling and bouncing around non stop as would all the waste products (urine feces vomit).

I am, too. When they travel, I doubt they choose to stay at a Super 8. When time came to go 13,000 feet down, they chose the Super 8 of submersibles.

For people who probably buy the best and expect quality, I'm surprised they would choose this provider.

My hearts go out to the families and friends of those onboard. I think there is no longer any hope that they will be found alive. Those onboard knew the risks and chose them, although my head hurts for the son who may not have had enough life experience or frontal cortex development to make a truly informed decision. In any event, I can hope the surviving relatives and friends find peace in the coming days and months.