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Anonymous wrote:Jawboning is 1A infringement. Not sure why everyone keeps forgetting this.

What is jawboning?

Threatening changes in laws or regulations to retaliate for something the government can’t directly stop, such as political speech.

Seems obvious this is what DeSantis did.
And then worse.

He’s admitted it.

Openly admits to suppressing free speech and targeting businesses over their politics. He needs to get his ass sued off for this.

. Oh he definitely is. I’m sure he is regretting starting this, and he will not be the one finishing it.
There is a very sad delusional poster on this thread that doesn’t understand any of this.

Disney has already lost once. Granted it was trying to get summary judgment. The reasoning by the judge matched the Youtuber mentioned above.
There was also an Obama judge who saw how bad the case was and walked away from it, giving the excuse that a distant cousin owns some stock.

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Anonymous wrote:Jawboning is 1A infringement. Not sure why everyone keeps forgetting this.

What is jawboning?

Threatening changes in laws or regulations to retaliate for something the government can’t directly stop, such as political speech.

Seems obvious this is what DeSantis did.
And then worse.

He’s admitted it.

Openly admits to suppressing free speech and targeting businesses over their politics. He needs to get his ass sued off for this.

. Oh he definitely is. I’m sure he is regretting starting this, and he will not be the one finishing it.
There is a very sad delusional poster on this thread that doesn’t understand any of this.

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"Getting away with" what exactly? They did exactly that - they built out a city - they built and paid for the roads, the bridges, the water and sewer, the trash collection, the police and fire department and all other municipal services, and everything else that goes along with it. Now some random people who contributed nothing and did nothing to build any of it want to come along and take it all away.

Have you ever been there, to claim they built out a city? It is a tourist area built around Disney World and other attractions, not the original planned city of tomorrow, which they used the name for EPCOT.
There are other businesses there, whose tax money was used for Disney expenses. They are now under criminal investigation for some of these schemes.

Those other businesses owe their very existence to Disney. Again, before Disney there was nothing there but empty swamp. Disney created the draw and the entire economy that allows those other businesses to flourish.

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Anonymous wrote:Jawboning is 1A infringement. Not sure why everyone keeps forgetting this.

What is jawboning?

Threatening changes in laws or regulations to retaliate for something the government can’t directly stop, such as political speech.

Seems obvious this is what DeSantis did.
And then worse.

He’s admitted it.

Openly admits to suppressing free speech and targeting businesses over their politics. He needs to get his ass sued off for this.

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"Getting away with" what exactly? They did exactly that - they built out a city - they built and paid for the roads, the bridges, the water and sewer, the trash collection, the police and fire department and all other municipal services, and everything else that goes along with it. Now some random people who contributed nothing and did nothing to build any of it want to come along and take it all away.

Have you ever been there, to claim they built out a city? It is a tourist area built around Disney World and other attractions, not the original planned city of tomorrow, which they used the name for EPCOT.
There are other businesses there, whose tax money was used for Disney expenses. They are now under criminal investigation for some of these schemes.

Link to the “criminal investigation”?

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/08/22/desantis-asks-florida-ig-to-investigate-disney-appointed-board-for-spending-2m-on-perks-1389076/

The “taxpayer” of the district is Disney. What kind of website is that?

That’s Gateway Pundit level. And an IG investigation is not a criminal investigation.

Let's bring this back to reality.

1. Disney expressed an opinion about the Don't Say Gay law. Thanks to conservative justices in Citizens United, corporations are protected by the First Amendment.

2. In response for this free speech Ron DeSantis decided to punish Disney.
2a. DeSantis admitted so in his own biography, which is why he is getting sued.
2b There are 1800 special districts in Florida including several that have nothing to do with creating a city or even a condo complex. There are special districts created for purposes such as drainage or to create an office complex/business district.

3. These special districts are legal under existing law. To ban them will require new legislation that would ban several other special districts, because they have found no way to write a law specific enough to only affect Disney.


So you can argue until you're red in the face about whether Disney "should have" been a special district. Certainly generations of Floridians sought and enjoyed the benefits of the massive tourism dollars and jobs brought by Disney. And, had they not exercised their constitutional right to comment on a single bill, no one would have batted an eye.

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"Getting away with" what exactly? They did exactly that - they built out a city - they built and paid for the roads, the bridges, the water and sewer, the trash collection, the police and fire department and all other municipal services, and everything else that goes along with it. Now some random people who contributed nothing and did nothing to build any of it want to come along and take it all away.

Have you ever been there, to claim they built out a city? It is a tourist area built around Disney World and other attractions, not the original planned city of tomorrow, which they used the name for EPCOT.
There are other businesses there, whose tax money was used for Disney expenses. They are now under criminal investigation for some of these schemes.

Link to the “criminal investigation”?

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/08/22/desantis-asks-florida-ig-to-investigate-disney-appointed-board-for-spending-2m-on-perks-1389076/

The “taxpayer” of the district is Disney. What kind of website is that?

That’s Gateway Pundit level. And an IG investigation is not a criminal investigation.

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Anonymous wrote:
"Getting away with" what exactly? They did exactly that - they built out a city - they built and paid for the roads, the bridges, the water and sewer, the trash collection, the police and fire department and all other municipal services, and everything else that goes along with it. Now some random people who contributed nothing and did nothing to build any of it want to come along and take it all away.

Have you ever been there, to claim they built out a city? It is a tourist area built around Disney World and other attractions, not the original planned city of tomorrow, which they used the name for EPCOT.
There are other businesses there, whose tax money was used for Disney expenses. They are now under criminal investigation for some of these schemes.

Link to the “criminal investigation”?

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/08/22/desantis-asks-florida-ig-to-investigate-disney-appointed-board-for-spending-2m-on-perks-1389076/

The “taxpayer” of the district is Disney. What kind of website is that?

There are more taxpayers than that.

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"Getting away with" what exactly? They did exactly that - they built out a city - they built and paid for the roads, the bridges, the water and sewer, the trash collection, the police and fire department and all other municipal services, and everything else that goes along with it. Now some random people who contributed nothing and did nothing to build any of it want to come along and take it all away.

Have you ever been there, to claim they built out a city? It is a tourist area built around Disney World and other attractions, not the original planned city of tomorrow, which they used the name for EPCOT.
There are other businesses there, whose tax money was used for Disney expenses. They are now under criminal investigation for some of these schemes.

Have you heard of Celebration, FL?

I had heard of it, remember reading articles about it when they were planning it. I didn't realize it was part of the same district.
Reedy Creek is much bigger than I thought, with an ESPN zone and multiple Walmarts, along with Celebration. This explains how Disney was able to so much kickbacks, they had a lot of other businesses and properties paying in.

Landowners don’t typically give away their land. It’s not a kickback, as much as it is they bought it, and have every right to make money from other companies using it.

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Anonymous wrote:
"Getting away with" what exactly? They did exactly that - they built out a city - they built and paid for the roads, the bridges, the water and sewer, the trash collection, the police and fire department and all other municipal services, and everything else that goes along with it. Now some random people who contributed nothing and did nothing to build any of it want to come along and take it all away.

Have you ever been there, to claim they built out a city? It is a tourist area built around Disney World and other attractions, not the original planned city of tomorrow, which they used the name for EPCOT.
There are other businesses there, whose tax money was used for Disney expenses. They are now under criminal investigation for some of these schemes.

Link to the “criminal investigation”?

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/08/22/desantis-asks-florida-ig-to-investigate-disney-appointed-board-for-spending-2m-on-perks-1389076/

The “taxpayer” of the district is Disney. What kind of website is that?

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Anonymous wrote:There wasn’t anything there before. There were no strip clubs.

You didn’t understand my comment at all. In Florida, once any place is developed, cheap motels and strip clubs and pawn shops will come as soon as near as you let them. Disney understandably wanted authority over what was permitted in their vicinity.

Disney owns the land (43 sq mi), so they didn’t need a district to keep those places further away. The district was put in place for two reasons: Disney was going to pay for the infrastructure and Florida was not going to slow them down with permitting, zoning, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:
"Getting away with" what exactly? They did exactly that - they built out a city - they built and paid for the roads, the bridges, the water and sewer, the trash collection, the police and fire department and all other municipal services, and everything else that goes along with it. Now some random people who contributed nothing and did nothing to build any of it want to come along and take it all away.

Have you ever been there, to claim they built out a city? It is a tourist area built around Disney World and other attractions, not the original planned city of tomorrow, which they used the name for EPCOT.
There are other businesses there, whose tax money was used for Disney expenses. They are now under criminal investigation for some of these schemes.

Have you heard of Celebration, FL?

I had heard of it, remember reading articles about it when they were planning it. I didn't realize it was part of the same district.
Reedy Creek is much bigger than I thought, with an ESPN zone and multiple Walmarts, along with Celebration. This explains how Disney was able to so much kickbacks, they had a lot of other businesses and properties paying in.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
"Getting away with" what exactly? They did exactly that - they built out a city - they built and paid for the roads, the bridges, the water and sewer, the trash collection, the police and fire department and all other municipal services, and everything else that goes along with it. Now some random people who contributed nothing and did nothing to build any of it want to come along and take it all away.

Have you ever been there, to claim they built out a city? It is a tourist area built around Disney World and other attractions, not the original planned city of tomorrow, which they used the name for EPCOT.
There are other businesses there, whose tax money was used for Disney expenses. They are now under criminal investigation for some of these schemes.

Link to the “criminal investigation”?

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2023/08/22/desantis-asks-florida-ig-to-investigate-disney-appointed-board-for-spending-2m-on-perks-1389076/

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Anonymous wrote:DeSantis is now taking aim at Disney annual pass benefits for employees and retirees. This doesn't make sense to me.

They spend money in the parks when they use the Annual Passes.

By that logic, everyone should be given an annual pass.

Mid you’re not a stockholder why is this your concern? If you are a stockholder vote your shares at the next annual meeting. Otherwise butt the heck out of corporate business.

It was not the corporation giving out the passes to employees. Rather, Disney had the board they were controlling spend money buying passes from Disney and giving them to the board's employees.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
"Getting away with" what exactly? They did exactly that - they built out a city - they built and paid for the roads, the bridges, the water and sewer, the trash collection, the police and fire department and all other municipal services, and everything else that goes along with it. Now some random people who contributed nothing and did nothing to build any of it want to come along and take it all away.

Have you ever been there, to claim they built out a city? It is a tourist area built around Disney World and other attractions, not the original planned city of tomorrow, which they used the name for EPCOT.
There are other businesses there, whose tax money was used for Disney expenses. They are now under criminal investigation for some of these schemes.

Have you heard of Celebration, FL?

Or Downtown Disney? I think it’s called Disney Springs now.

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Anonymous wrote:There wasn’t anything there before. There were no strip clubs.

You didn’t understand my comment at all. In Florida, once any place is developed, cheap motels and strip clubs and pawn shops will come as soon as near as you let them. Disney understandably wanted authority over what was permitted in their vicinity.

So, Desantis wants more cheap motels, strip clubs, and pawn shops.