Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
SO OVER people trying to use "bullying" - when that is exactly, exactly what they are doing. There is no excuse for shooting or injuring other students. Period. Stop deflecting, it is obvious. Handle your issues. Handle your anger issues.

Just ignore the "bully" posts. Off topic.

Bullying is something that people should be allowed to talk about
To me it sounds like he had an unhappy home and school kids sensed that and he ended up as an easy victim. None of this excuses anything, but it should be something that people can talk about without being accused

Sure. Talk about it at home, talk about it with a counselor, be a parent and get your kid the help he is literally crying out for.

Don't go to the school at school up the school.

Your problems should not be our problems.

Your post does not make sense.

You do not make sense. You need to help your child if he needs help. Bullying is no excuse for shooting up a school.

Feign ignorance all you want.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so stupid, being dumb. YES, someone being bullied matters it doesn’t excuse it but if you are such a dumb bunny that you don’t think you better figure out the explanation for some of these actions then we’re going to just keep saying it over and over again. You expect a kid that is not properly patented, neglected and then bullied at school is going to know to and how to get help?
You people are ridiculous!!!

So you call people stupid and dumb twice to rail against bullying?

Oh, the irony!

+3

It has nothing to do with bullying. Teach your kid not to snap, assault or kill people. Parent. Problem solved.

Is this sarcasm? Please tel me it is. If not, you are either really naive, really stupid, really simple minded, or a combination of all three.

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Anonymous wrote:How does a sweet kid go from this, an apparent small town boy scout, to a killer in 4 years? I would bet bullying and cyber-bullying beginning in high school.

In 2017, Crumbley, from Oxford, spoke to a local newspaper about a school project he was working on with four of his classmates. The group worked with a nonprofit in town called Blessings in a Backpack, which fills backpacks with food and distributes them to “at risk” kids.

This is not an excuse for killing. Apparently, the parents were at the school in the morning, so they knew.

Of course there's no excuse. But nobody will even discuss the bullying factor. Bullying is probably too soft of a word; tormenting and abusing the kid all day every day is probably more accurate.

And they claim it is a tight-knit community. Hogwash. It's one of the largest high schools in Michigan with a very distinct and stark haves vs have nots hierarchy.

Extreme bullying victim here. What you claim is, in your own words, hogwash.

In high school is was called all manner of vulgar names, ostracized, hit, shoved, and told to commit suicide by a group of teenagers in a “tight knit” community in Colorado. To say my experience was traumatizing is an understatement.

And yet, never once did it occur to me to pick up a gun and murder my tormentors. This is in NO SMALL PART because my parents didn’t keep guns laying around the house. Guns were never part of my family’s world view, so the opportunity simply wasn’t there.

There are millions of kids that are the victims of bullying. It’s sad and horrifying. There are millions of kids with mental health conditions. I meet both those criteria. And I am here to tell you that I profess non-violence, peer collaboration, and healing at every turn. So truly, PP, you are completely misguided. Bullying doesn’t make children murderers. Having open access to guns and parents who teach that guns are a fine way to solve your problems absolutely does.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:10 bucks says the rightwing used this incident to blame public schools for this shooting. In essence, blaming the victims for the violence.

We are already seeing the seed of that messaging planted here: “bullying,” the school should’ve called police immediately, why didn’t they suspend him, etc.

Anything to absolve guns or irresponsible gun owners or the lunatic MAGA parents who are now on the run.

Just wait, it’s about to happen.

I was actually going to predict that this case will become the right wing's next cause célèbre. They'll say that it's prosecutorial overreach, and ordinary, good, God-fearing gun owners may all be at the mercy of a liberal zealot in the DA's office. Also, terrorism charges are for Muslims, not white Christians.

Bingo. We saw it in this thread all day today.

My guess is that the charges against the parents will not stick
Very strange to add manslaughter charges to someone not present at the crime

In another state, that manslaughter charge would have been called "negligent homicide." What the Crumbleys did more than fits the bill.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
SO OVER people trying to use "bullying" - when that is exactly, exactly what they are doing. There is no excuse for shooting or injuring other students. Period. Stop deflecting, it is obvious. Handle your issues. Handle your anger issues.

Just ignore the "bully" posts. Off topic.

Bullying is something that people should be allowed to talk about
To me it sounds like he had an unhappy home and school kids sensed that and he ended up as an easy victim. None of this excuses anything, but it should be something that people can talk about without being accused

Sure. Talk about it at home, talk about it with a counselor, be a parent and get your kid the help he is literally crying out for.

Don't go to the school at school up the school.

Your problems should not be our problems.

Your post does not make sense.

Anonymous wrote:I've read most of the pages here and a lot of comments mention a lawsuit against the district/county for gross negligence. If those lawsuit(s) have merit and/or are successful, wouldn't Ethan's parents also have a valid claim that the school failed their son, too?

Which part did the school do - give the killer a gun?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
SO OVER people trying to use "bullying" - when that is exactly, exactly what they are doing. There is no excuse for shooting or injuring other students. Period. Stop deflecting, it is obvious. Handle your issues. Handle your anger issues.

Just ignore the "bully" posts. Off topic.

Bullying is something that people should be allowed to talk about
To me it sounds like he had an unhappy home and school kids sensed that and he ended up as an easy victim. None of this excuses anything, but it should be something that people can talk about without being accused

Sure. Talk about it at home, talk about it with a counselor, be a parent and get your kid the help he is literally crying out for.

Don't go to the school at school up the school.

Your problems should not be our problems.

*shoot up the school

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It seems more and more evident than his kid was bullied.

When are we, as a society, going to wake up to the ugly reality of bullying?

This can be stopped. There is no right to bully. It is wrong and it is criminal.

So why do we allow this to happen in every school??

No, it doesn’t. It seems more and more evident that we need gun control.

+1

Get. Your. Kid. Help.

Not that difficult to understand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
SO OVER people trying to use "bullying" - when that is exactly, exactly what they are doing. There is no excuse for shooting or injuring other students. Period. Stop deflecting, it is obvious. Handle your issues. Handle your anger issues.

Just ignore the "bully" posts. Off topic.

Bullying is something that people should be allowed to talk about
To me it sounds like he had an unhappy home and school kids sensed that and he ended up as an easy victim. None of this excuses anything, but it should be something that people can talk about without being accused

Sure. Talk about it at home, talk about it with a counselor, be a parent and get your kid the help he is literally crying out for.

Don't go to the school at school up the school.

Your problems should not be our problems.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
SO OVER people trying to use "bullying" - when that is exactly, exactly what they are doing. There is no excuse for shooting or injuring other students. Period. Stop deflecting, it is obvious. Handle your issues. Handle your anger issues.

Just ignore the "bully" posts. Off topic.

+1

Clearly.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so stupid, being dumb. YES, someone being bullied matters it doesn’t excuse it but if you are such a dumb bunny that you don’t think you better figure out the explanation for some of these actions then we’re going to just keep saying it over and over again. You expect a kid that is not properly patented, neglected and then bullied at school is going to know to and how to get help?
You people are ridiculous!!!

So you call people stupid and dumb twice to rail against bullying?

Oh, the irony!

+3

It has nothing to do with bullying. Teach your kid not to snap, assault or kill people. Parent. Problem solved.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so stupid, being dumb. YES, someone being bullied matters it doesn’t excuse it but if you are such a dumb bunny that you don’t think you better figure out the explanation for some of these actions then we’re going to just keep saying it over and over again. You expect a kid that is not properly patented, neglected and then bullied at school is going to know to and how to get help?
You people are ridiculous!!!

So you call people stupid and dumb twice to rail against bullying?

Oh, the irony!

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so stupid, being dumb. YES, someone being bullied matters it doesn’t excuse it but if you are such a dumb bunny that you don’t think you better figure out the explanation for some of these actions then we’re going to just keep saying it over and over again. You expect a kid that is not properly patented, neglected and then bullied at school is going to know to and how to get help?
You people are ridiculous!!!

So you call people stupid and dumb twice to rail against bullying?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:10 bucks says the rightwing used this incident to blame public schools for this shooting. In essence, blaming the victims for the violence.

We are already seeing the seed of that messaging planted here: “bullying,” the school should’ve called police immediately, why didn’t they suspend him, etc.

Anything to absolve guns or irresponsible gun owners or the lunatic MAGA parents who are now on the run.

Just wait, it’s about to happen.

I was actually going to predict that this case will become the right wing's next cause célèbre. They'll say that it's prosecutorial overreach, and ordinary, good, God-fearing gun owners may all be at the mercy of a liberal zealot in the DA's office. Also, terrorism charges are for Muslims, not white Christians.

Bingo. We saw it in this thread all day today.

My guess is that the charges against the parents will not stick
Very strange to add manslaughter charges to someone not present at the crime

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you are so stupid, being dumb. YES, someone being bullied matters it doesn’t excuse it but if you are such a dumb bunny that you don’t think you better figure out the explanation for some of these actions then we’re going to just keep saying it over and over again. You expect a kid that is not properly patented, neglected and then bullied at school is going to know to and how to get help?
You people are ridiculous!!!

The explanation is EASY ACCESS TO GUNS.

You’re welcome.

Easy access by a TROUBLED KID. Really, This is what’s wrong with the world people want a one line, black or white answer instead of having the guts to admit that these are complex and difficult issues. Parents who have CPS called on them, are not properly parenting and easy access to firearms plus a culture that venerates guns and violence.
Sheesh.