Anonymous wrote:I think people who support it have not really learned about the plan. 2 New lanes plus the HOV 2 lanes will become 24-7 Toll HOV-3 lanes. I think the projected toll is about $20 from the MD line to exit 9. The lanes will stop there...and the traffic will too. There is no help for anyone above exit 9. The toll lanes will be completely seperate from the non-toll lanes. If you want to enter the toll lanes you will use seperate entrances which do not exist now...like Guide. You can not go from non-toll to toll lanes with out exiting the highway and driving on local roads. I do support some expansion but not this one.

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland is doing everything it can to take a permanent back seat (no pun intended) to Virginia. It’s their loss.

It’s crazy. They have no alternative plan. Just some pie in the sky hope they can force people into transit when the politicians don’t take transit themselves.

"Force people into transit" how, exactly? I always wonder. Please explain.

Enjoy the poverty you will leave this county in pursuing some stupid jetsons bullsh*t.

I have seriously never before heard walking, biking, buses, trains, and subways described as "stupid jetsons bullsh*t".

Do you have a realistic plan for economic growth in this county?

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My one rule is that people cannot oppose something without having an alternative. The opponents don’t have one. Their alternative is more studies. Where are the economic growth plans? I want to see them.

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland is doing everything it can to take a permanent back seat (no pun intended) to Virginia. It’s their loss.

It’s crazy. They have no alternative plan. Just some pie in the sky hope they can force people into transit when the politicians don’t take transit themselves.

"Force people into transit" how, exactly? I always wonder. Please explain.

Enjoy the poverty you will leave this county in pursuing some stupid jetsons bullsh*t.

I have seriously never before heard walking, biking, buses, trains, and subways described as "stupid jetsons bullsh*t".

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You can keep repeating this to yourself in the heap of poverty your selfish and fevered dreams are going to bring to this county.

I don’t know many people and personally know 4 that work in Tysons commuting from Montgomery County. I guess county politicians don’t want high people with high salary jobs to live in this county and pay property tax. Instead their entire mission is to make this county more friendly and increase the numbers if poor people. Incredible.

I know someone who commutes from Montgomery County to Tysons by Metro.

Obviously the car commute from Montgomery County to Tysons can't be too awful, or else they wouldn't do it - or maybe they're taking Metro too?

This arrogance is a big problem. You can be smug when you have achieved your dreams when the county is so poor that no one can afford a car.

Please explain what's arrogant about expecting people to make rational transportation decisions for themselves?

You might want to compare economic growth in Montgomery County vs Fairfax. Job creation has been stagnant for years. This is a continuation of the lunatic policies that have left this county behind.

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland is doing everything it can to take a permanent back seat (no pun intended) to Virginia. It’s their loss.

It’s crazy. They have no alternative plan. Just some pie in the sky hope they can force people into transit when the politicians don’t take transit themselves.

"Force people into transit" how, exactly? I always wonder. Please explain.

Enjoy the poverty you will leave this county in pursuing some stupid jetsons bullsh*t.

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You can keep repeating this to yourself in the heap of poverty your selfish and fevered dreams are going to bring to this county.

I don’t know many people and personally know 4 that work in Tysons commuting from Montgomery County. I guess county politicians don’t want high people with high salary jobs to live in this county and pay property tax. Instead their entire mission is to make this county more friendly and increase the numbers if poor people. Incredible.

I know someone who commutes from Montgomery County to Tysons by Metro.

Obviously the car commute from Montgomery County to Tysons can't be too awful, or else they wouldn't do it - or maybe they're taking Metro too?

This arrogance is a big problem. You can be smug when you have achieved your dreams when the county is so poor that no one can afford a car.

Please explain what's arrogant about expecting people to make rational transportation decisions for themselves?

You might want to compare economic growth in Montgomery County vs Fairfax. Job creation has been stagnant for years. This is a continuation of the lunatic policies that have left this county behind.

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You can keep repeating this to yourself in the heap of poverty your selfish and fevered dreams are going to bring to this county.

I don’t know many people and personally know 4 that work in Tysons commuting from Montgomery County. I guess county politicians don’t want high people with high salary jobs to live in this county and pay property tax. Instead their entire mission is to make this county more friendly and increase the numbers if poor people. Incredible.

I know someone who commutes from Montgomery County to Tysons by Metro.

Obviously the car commute from Montgomery County to Tysons can't be too awful, or else they wouldn't do it - or maybe they're taking Metro too?

This arrogance is a big problem. You can be smug when you have achieved your dreams when the county is so poor that no one can afford a car.

Please explain what's arrogant about expecting people to make rational transportation decisions for themselves?

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Anonymous wrote:Induced demand in transportation is actually a contested concept and not proven.

https://www.cato.org/blog/debunking-induced-demand-myth

Citing Randal O'Toole about induced demand is like citing Andrew Wakefield about the measles vaccine.

Just change “Twitter expert” below to “DCUM expert”. Everything that you have been posting about transit and induced demand is irrelevant to this project.

Another area where the Twitter experts often err is their assumption that public transit is the answer to congestion. That’s an assertion that Duranton and Turner said was false. “… we find no evidence that public transit affects VKT…” the paper says (VKT is vehicle kilometers traveled). They point out over and over that adding transit does not remove traffic from the roads in any meaningful way.

Another thing not factored in is that a congested wider road moves more vehicles than a congested narrow road. While the issue of congestion is not solved, the extra trips induced that re-crowd the road are still happening and still have benefits to society. Additional economic activity is happening. While there’s plenty of room for debate over whether these benefits outweigh other costs (pollution, roadway fatalities, etc), it is something that does need to be factored in.

Finally, the data supporting induced demand is only for freeways. Toll roads don’t work the same way, because the economics are different. While the perceived cost of being stuck in traffic is a factor on freeways, toll roads add an additional charge that may vary with time of day, allowing pricing to reflect supply and demand. These road additions can relieve congestion without inducing too much new demand as to negate the benefit (the lower part of the chart in this article explains this visually).

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/12/31/induced-demand-doesnt-mean-what-you-think-it-means/

How is it that Asian and European countries rely heavily on mass transit and bikes and don't have the issues we have here in the US? This really isn't rocket science.

1. In those countries, mass transit is a transportation system not a jobs program
2. THose are small, densely populated countries. That's why. Ask yourself why Canada is that way? Because it's a large, sparsely populated country.

So you are saying tokyo, Beijing, Paris, Berlin, Madrid, Amsterdam etc are all sparsely populated?

Read again what I wrote. China is maybe a little larger than the USA area wise, but has like 4x the population. It is not sparsely population. European countries other than russia are small, and densely populated, hence why public transit works better.

Public transportation works at scale in Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francsico, New York and Boston. It is growing in LA and Minneapolis.

There is no reason it can't work well here if VRE and MARC are properly funded in addition to WMATA being properly funded.

Adding more car lanes is a loser. It hasn't worked anywhere in the world. Maryland is no exception.

You can keep repeating this to yourself in the heap of poverty your selfish and fevered dreams are going to bring to this county.

I don’t know many people and personally know 4 that work in Tysons commuting from Montgomery County. I guess county politicians don’t want high people with high salary jobs to live in this county and pay property tax. Instead their entire mission is to make this county more friendly and increase the numbers if poor people. Incredible.

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You can keep repeating this to yourself in the heap of poverty your selfish and fevered dreams are going to bring to this county.

I don’t know many people and personally know 4 that work in Tysons commuting from Montgomery County. I guess county politicians don’t want high people with high salary jobs to live in this county and pay property tax. Instead their entire mission is to make this county more friendly and increase the numbers if poor people. Incredible.

I know someone who commutes from Montgomery County to Tysons by Metro.

Obviously the car commute from Montgomery County to Tysons can't be too awful, or else they wouldn't do it - or maybe they're taking Metro too?

This arrogance is a big problem. You can be smug when you have achieved your dreams when the county is so poor that no one can afford a car.

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You can keep repeating this to yourself in the heap of poverty your selfish and fevered dreams are going to bring to this county.

I don’t know many people and personally know 4 that work in Tysons commuting from Montgomery County. I guess county politicians don’t want high people with high salary jobs to live in this county and pay property tax. Instead their entire mission is to make this county more friendly and increase the numbers if poor people. Incredible.

I know someone who commutes from Montgomery County to Tysons by Metro.

Obviously the car commute from Montgomery County to Tysons can't be too awful, or else they wouldn't do it - or maybe they're taking Metro too?

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Anonymous wrote:Maryland is doing everything it can to take a permanent back seat (no pun intended) to Virginia. It’s their loss.

It’s crazy. They have no alternative plan. Just some pie in the sky hope they can force people into transit when the politicians don’t take transit themselves.

"Force people into transit" how, exactly? I always wonder. Please explain.

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You can keep repeating this to yourself in the heap of poverty your selfish and fevered dreams are going to bring to this county.

I don’t know many people and personally know 4 that work in Tysons commuting from Montgomery County. I guess county politicians don’t want high people with high salary jobs to live in this county and pay property tax. Instead their entire mission is to make this county more friendly and increase the numbers if poor people. Incredible.

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Anonymous wrote:Induced demand in transportation is actually a contested concept and not proven.

https://www.cato.org/blog/debunking-induced-demand-myth

Citing Randal O'Toole about induced demand is like citing Andrew Wakefield about the measles vaccine.

Just change “Twitter expert” below to “DCUM expert”. Everything that you have been posting about transit and induced demand is irrelevant to this project.

Another area where the Twitter experts often err is their assumption that public transit is the answer to congestion. That’s an assertion that Duranton and Turner said was false. “… we find no evidence that public transit affects VKT…” the paper says (VKT is vehicle kilometers traveled). They point out over and over that adding transit does not remove traffic from the roads in any meaningful way.

Another thing not factored in is that a congested wider road moves more vehicles than a congested narrow road. While the issue of congestion is not solved, the extra trips induced that re-crowd the road are still happening and still have benefits to society. Additional economic activity is happening. While there’s plenty of room for debate over whether these benefits outweigh other costs (pollution, roadway fatalities, etc), it is something that does need to be factored in.

Finally, the data supporting induced demand is only for freeways. Toll roads don’t work the same way, because the economics are different. While the perceived cost of being stuck in traffic is a factor on freeways, toll roads add an additional charge that may vary with time of day, allowing pricing to reflect supply and demand. These road additions can relieve congestion without inducing too much new demand as to negate the benefit (the lower part of the chart in this article explains this visually).

https://cleantechnica.com/2019/12/31/induced-demand-doesnt-mean-what-you-think-it-means/

How is it that Asian and European countries rely heavily on mass transit and bikes and don't have the issues we have here in the US? This really isn't rocket science.

1. In those countries, mass transit is a transportation system not a jobs program
2. THose are small, densely populated countries. That's why. Ask yourself why Canada is that way? Because it's a large, sparsely populated country.

So you are saying tokyo, Beijing, Paris, Berlin, Madrid, Amsterdam etc are all sparsely populated?

Read again what I wrote. China is maybe a little larger than the USA area wise, but has like 4x the population. It is not sparsely population. European countries other than russia are small, and densely populated, hence why public transit works better.

Public transportation works at scale in Chicago, Philadelphia, San Francsico, New York and Boston. It is growing in LA and Minneapolis.

There is no reason it can't work well here if VRE and MARC are properly funded in addition to WMATA being properly funded.

Adding more car lanes is a loser. It hasn't worked anywhere in the world. Maryland is no exception.