Anonymous wrote:Even if spending money is an afterthought for the wealthy lawyer lady PP, she should still be able to comprehend that a $425 service might be expensive-but-acceptable and a $510 (425+85 tip) service too-much for many people? Or is anybody who looks at a price tag of anything automatically a cheap loser in PP's books?

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Anonymous wrote:What I find astounding is the $425 seems acceptable, but $80+/- seems extraordinary.

$425 is absurd which is WHY an extra $80 is extraordinary.

Agree. You are already paying a super high price for service. So why should you have to then go an give and additional $80-$100 or whatever to the stylist personally so she doesn’t think you are tacky and cheap?? Crazy. You are already being charged for her skill, time, space, product.

You read that wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:The anger about paying a talented worker for their services from a bunch of people who bill or who have spouse's who bill $300+ an hour is impressive.

Except those billing $300 plus per hr went to 10 yrs of medical training or 4 yrs of law school plus internships at the cost of several hundred thousand dollars in education to be able to bill as such. That is not a comparable skill and investment to cosmetology school and cutting/coloring hair. There time is certainly worth money and salons do charge a lot for services, but sorry, I'm not "tipping" an extra $60 for 2 hrs of work which I already am paying for.

I'm a lawyer, am married to a lawyer, and will soon be the parent of a newly minted lawyer when my child graduates from law school next month (BTW, law school is 3 years; not 4). Lawyers' compensation is set without the expectation that their salary or base wage will be augmented by tips. That's not the case for hair stylists or other salon staff. I've gone to the same stylist for nearly 10 years. She might not have as many years of formal education, but she is talented, creative, knowledgeable, diplomatic, and has years of experience. She constantly seeks out training programs in her field. I tip her because her financial deal with the salon is predicated on the expectation that clients will tip her. And, she does a fantastic job. I'm not going to stiff her because she didn't go to law school (Though, honestly, she would make one heck of a lawyer -- she's super-smart.)

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Anonymous wrote:The anger about paying a talented worker for their services from a bunch of people who bill or who have spouse's who bill $300+ an hour is impressive.

Except those billing $300 plus per hr went to 10 yrs of medical training or 4 yrs of law school plus internships at the cost of several hundred thousand dollars in education to be able to bill as such. That is not a comparable skill and investment to cosmetology school and cutting/coloring hair. There time is certainly worth money and salons do charge a lot for services, but sorry, I'm not "tipping" an extra $60 for 2 hrs of work which I already am paying for.

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Anonymous wrote:I tip 20% but honestly I've never been that happy with it. My stylist is a really highly trained professional--I think she's paid pretty well paid to start with so giving her an additional $60 for 90 minutes work (when she's seeing other customers while I process) seems like a lot. Based on her clothes, her vacations and the house she bought, I don't think she's particularly hurting for money. OTOH, I get that she doesn't genearally get paid during closures (like the pandemic) and also probably doesn't get a pension or even 401k.

I'm never really sure what the tip the shampoo person. What do people think about that?

Tip the shampoo person - $5 at minimum. If you really like them, up to $20.

What for???? Because they’re underpaid? Are salons run like sweat shops? Why can’t salons just pay their shampoo people $15 an hour? This thread is why I avoid hair salons. Everyone has their hand out and prices are already high enough to cover the service.

What for? Because we live in a tipping culture. If you are too cheap or outraged to tip someone $5, then you should keep avoiding hair salons. It's not the employees' fault that the system is what it is - work to change the law but don't punish these people with your penny-pinching outrage.

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Anonymous wrote:To add -- my salon requires tips be in cash, so I also see this as pretty likely tax fraud. She probably makes 60K a year in cash that it basically under the table. It's just a way for the salons to shift money away from the Social Security Administration and the general tax revenue.

Yeah, which is also not customer friendly. I have to tip $80 on a $400 service AND go to the ATM or get cash back somewhere before I arrive? Who is serving who?

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Anonymous wrote:Right, they aren't charities - the people who work there should be paid and tipped, as is customary.

Tipping is customary for a job well done and the amount is at the discretion of the client. OP doesn’t owe her stylist an $80 tip for a couple hrs of service she is already paying for. She can tip whatever she wants and that is perfectly fine and acceptable.

Sure. But will she? It’s tacky not to.

It is tacky to expect extra money

Never expected, always appreciated. This is an internal struggle for the customer. Trust me, your service provider isnt. judging you. HOWEVER if you are dropping hundreds of dollars on your hair, and not tipping there is a disconnect in regards to your own level of expectation. It’s getting into classist stuff. Not a good look. It also shows the “expensive” services are beyond your means.

Nope, you already paid for expensive services. It shows you don't care for excessive tipping, that is all.

I have a friend who shops at Whole Foods with her EBT card too.

And she’s white. Just a trash person, this isn’t commentary on needing EBT...it’s about needing to go to places you can afford.

Anonymous wrote:I always tip at least 20% and tip the shampoo attendant, no matter the price point. If it's too much for you to tip 20% on that amount, you should find a salon that charges less.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, they aren't charities - the people who work there should be paid and tipped, as is customary.

Tipping is customary for a job well done and the amount is at the discretion of the client. OP doesn’t owe her stylist an $80 tip for a couple hrs of service she is already paying for. She can tip whatever she wants and that is perfectly fine and acceptable.

Sure. But will she? It’s tacky not to.

It is tacky to expect extra money

Never expected, always appreciated. This is an internal struggle for the customer. Trust me, your service provider isnt. judging you. HOWEVER if you are dropping hundreds of dollars on your hair, and not tipping there is a disconnect in regards to your own level of expectation. It’s getting into classist stuff. Not a good look. It also shows the “expensive” services are beyond your means.

Nope, you already paid for expensive services. It shows you don't care for excessive tipping, that is all.

I have a friend who shops at Whole Foods with her EBT card too.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, they aren't charities - the people who work there should be paid and tipped, as is customary.

Tipping is customary for a job well done and the amount is at the discretion of the client. OP doesn’t owe her stylist an $80 tip for a couple hrs of service she is already paying for. She can tip whatever she wants and that is perfectly fine and acceptable.

Sure. But will she? It’s tacky not to.

It is tacky to expect extra money

Never expected, always appreciated. This is an internal struggle for the customer. Trust me, your service provider isnt. judging you. HOWEVER if you are dropping hundreds of dollars on your hair, and not tipping there is a disconnect in regards to your own level of expectation. It’s getting into classist stuff. Not a good look. It also shows the “expensive” services are beyond your means.

Nope, you already paid for expensive services. It shows you don't care for excessive tipping, that is all.

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Anonymous wrote:No. You are already paying for their skill, time, and product. I would not tip an extra $60 plus for 2 hrs of service. I would leave a $20-30 tip. Servers are making $3/hr, food service in a restaurant is not comparable

Wrong! They could have had 4 customers in those 2 hours and would have made way more than $20-$30 in tips! I would not keep you as a client if you used my time and tipped that way.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, they aren't charities - the people who work there should be paid and tipped, as is customary.

Tipping is customary for a job well done and the amount is at the discretion of the client. OP doesn’t owe her stylist an $80 tip for a couple hrs of service she is already paying for. She can tip whatever she wants and that is perfectly fine and acceptable.

Sure. But will she? It’s tacky not to.

It is tacky to expect extra money

Never expected, always appreciated. This is an internal struggle for the customer. Trust me, your service provider isnt. judging you. HOWEVER if you are dropping hundreds of dollars on your hair, and not tipping there is a disconnect in regards to your own level of expectation. It’s getting into classist stuff. Not a good look. It also shows the “expensive” services are beyond your means.

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Anonymous wrote:Right, they aren't charities - the people who work there should be paid and tipped, as is customary.

Tipping is customary for a job well done and the amount is at the discretion of the client. OP doesn’t owe her stylist an $80 tip for a couple hrs of service she is already paying for. She can tip whatever she wants and that is perfectly fine and acceptable.

Sure. But will she? It’s tacky not to.

It is tacky to expect extra money

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Anonymous wrote:What I find astounding is the $425 seems acceptable, but $80+/- seems extraordinary.

$425 is absurd which is WHY an extra $80 is extraordinary.

Agree. You are already paying a super high price for service. So why should you have to then go an give and additional $80-$100 or whatever to the stylist personally so she doesn’t think you are tacky and cheap?? Crazy. You are already being charged for her skill, time, space, product.