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Anonymous wrote:The answer is to radically reduce police interactions with the public by radically reducing the number of laws on the books.

Traffic laws can be enforced by mailing tickets, and ultimately, putting a lien on the vehicle.

Drug laws should be repealed.

Individual safety is best handled by robust self-defense. Bullies don't mess with people who can kill them.

You start off strong. Duante Wright was pulled over for an air freshner. An obvious pretext.

But where you get weak is when you try to tell us that safety is only for the strong. GTFO here with that.

He should not have been shot, but to clarify I believe he also had an expired tag.

I've driven with expired tags (forgot to put the new sticker on). Nobody has ever pulled me over for it.

-white lady in the suburbs

This white lady got a $150 ticket ten years ago for driving in Georgia with a tag sticker that expired 2 weeks earlier (on my birthday).

And here you are... alive and well the regale us with the story of your $150 ticket. And yet Mr. Wright isn't.

Thats the point.

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Anonymous wrote:The answer is to radically reduce police interactions with the public by radically reducing the number of laws on the books.

Traffic laws can be enforced by mailing tickets, and ultimately, putting a lien on the vehicle.

Drug laws should be repealed.

Individual safety is best handled by robust self-defense. Bullies don't mess with people who can kill them.

You start off strong. Duante Wright was pulled over for an air freshner. An obvious pretext.

But where you get weak is when you try to tell us that safety is only for the strong. GTFO here with that.

He should not have been shot, but to clarify I believe he also had an expired tag.

I've driven with expired tags (forgot to put the new sticker on). Nobody has ever pulled me over for it.

-white lady in the suburbs

This white lady got a $150 ticket ten years ago for driving in Georgia with a tag sticker that expired 2 weeks earlier (on my birthday).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The answer is to radically reduce police interactions with the public by radically reducing the number of laws on the books.

Traffic laws can be enforced by mailing tickets, and ultimately, putting a lien on the vehicle.

Drug laws should be repealed.

Individual safety is best handled by robust self-defense. Bullies don't mess with people who can kill them.

You start off strong. Duante Wright was pulled over for an air freshner. An obvious pretext.

But where you get weak is when you try to tell us that safety is only for the strong. GTFO here with that.

He should not have been shot, but to clarify I believe he also had an expired tag.

I've driven with expired tags (forgot to put the new sticker on). Nobody has ever pulled me over for it.

-white lady in the suburbs

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The answer is to radically reduce police interactions with the public by radically reducing the number of laws on the books.

Traffic laws can be enforced by mailing tickets, and ultimately, putting a lien on the vehicle.

Drug laws should be repealed.

Individual safety is best handled by robust self-defense. Bullies don't mess with people who can kill them.

You start off strong. Duante Wright was pulled over for an air freshner. An obvious pretext.

But where you get weak is when you try to tell us that safety is only for the strong. GTFO here with that.

He should not have been shot, but to clarify I believe he also had an expired tag.

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Anonymous wrote:The answer is to radically reduce police interactions with the public by radically reducing the number of laws on the books.

Traffic laws can be enforced by mailing tickets, and ultimately, putting a lien on the vehicle.

Drug laws should be repealed.

Individual safety is best handled by robust self-defense. Bullies don't mess with people who can kill them.

You start off strong. Duante Wright was pulled over for an air freshner. An obvious pretext.

But where you get weak is when you try to tell us that safety is only for the strong. GTFO here with that.

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So what is the different response when someone is suicidal and wants someone to kill them? ("I'm just ready to go.") And they run with a knife toward whatever government entity responds to the crisis? Do you honestly think that an unarmed female (because they are all women) social worker is going to be able to deescalate that situation with words? Every single time? Who keeps the bystanders safe while she's talking? Who keeps the social workers safe? When that person wants to die and has chosen the police as the means to do it. You don't think someone who's determined enough will continue to injure people until he gets the police response he wants?

Will that happen every time? No. Social workers will be able to talk some out of it. But what are the safety protocols necessary to have a social worker even feel safe going into that unknown situation? Because...what social worker in their right mind wants to respond to a knife call without safety protocols in place?

Anonymous wrote:The answer is to radically reduce police interactions with the public by radically reducing the number of laws on the books.

Traffic laws can be enforced by mailing tickets, and ultimately, putting a lien on the vehicle.

Drug laws should be repealed.

Individual safety is best handled by robust self-defense. Bullies don't mess with people who can kill them.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

The recruits who'll only go where the community and political leadership support police officers who do bad things, are recruits I don't want here anyway.

I will give you an example. The montgomery county police officer who shot finan berhe was doing exactly what his training and the law told him to do. But political leadership immediately crucified him. Instead of rightfully questioning training and policies, they just condemned him judge jury and executioner. Police want to know that when they do what they are supposed to do, even if it's "lawful but awful," they are supported. Almost no cop wants to kill someone. They are trained to defend themselves and others.

And by "crucify," you mean "said things about whether a different response could have produced a different result", for example:

"What a shame. #FinanBerhe and his family deserve justice. This underscores the urgent need to expand our Mobile Crisis Team so we can send trained behavioral health professionals to our residents in crisis, not just armed police officers." (Tom Hucker)

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"“You had a young man who’d never been in trouble. An Uber driver killed in front of his parents’ home. And it didn’t have to be that way. There’s a lot of ways, in my opinion, that that situation could have been de-escalated before he charged.” (Will Jawando)

So what is the different response when someone is suicidal and wants someone to kill them? ("I'm just ready to go.") And they run with a knife toward whatever government entity responds to the crisis? Do you honestly think that an unarmed female (because they are all women) social worker is going to be able to deescalate that situation with words? Every single time? Who keeps the bystanders safe while she's talking? Who keeps the social workers safe? When that person wants to die and has chosen the police as the means to do it. You don't think someone who's determined enough will continue to injure people until he gets the police response he wants?

Will that happen every time? No. Social workers will be able to talk some out of it. But what are the safety protocols necessary to have a social worker even feel safe going into that unknown situation? Because...what social worker in their right mind wants to respond to a knife call without safety protocols in place?

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It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.

Homicides in Montgomery County, Maryland:

2014: 19
2015: 30
2016: 15
2017: 23
2018: 20
2019: 15
2020: 17
2021 to date (based on press releases): 13 (1 Clarksburg, 4/13) + 2 (White Oak, 3/25) + 1 (Silver Spring, 3/15) + 1 (North Kensington, 3/8) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 2/5) + 1 (Wheaton, 1/23) + 1 (Hillandale, 1/19) + 1 (Wheaton/Glenmont, 1/14) + 1 (Bel Pre, 1/12) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 1/10) + 1 (Germantown, 1/5) + 1 (Clarksburg, 1/4)).

For homicides to be up 300% compared to last year, the 2021 year-end total would be 51.

I will note also that several of those homicides were domestic-related, and domestic-related homicides are up all over the country, reflecting the increase in domestic violence during the pandemic.

DP here. If we consider 13 homicides through April 2021 (and really there are 2 more weeks for April), that's just 1/3 of the current year. If that number continues, the total for the year is well on its way towards 40. Not a good trend.

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It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.

Homicides in Montgomery County, Maryland:

2014: 19
2015: 30
2016: 15
2017: 23
2018: 20
2019: 15
2020: 17
2021 to date (based on press releases): 13 (1 Clarksburg, 4/13) + 2 (White Oak, 3/25) + 1 (Silver Spring, 3/15) + 1 (North Kensington, 3/8) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 2/5) + 1 (Wheaton, 1/23) + 1 (Hillandale, 1/19) + 1 (Wheaton/Glenmont, 1/14) + 1 (Bel Pre, 1/12) + 1 (Gaithersburg, 1/10) + 1 (Germantown, 1/5) + 1 (Clarksburg, 1/4)).

For homicides to be up 300% compared to last year, the 2021 year-end total would be 51.

I will note also that several of those homicides were domestic-related, and domestic-related homicides are up all over the country, reflecting the increase in domestic violence during the pandemic.

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It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.

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Anonymous wrote:No. I didn't even know there was a police bill of rights in Maryland and I doubt recruits were aware either. Doesn't really change the job at all.

What recruits do know is what the community opinion of police is. And the political leadership's opinion of police. And when those aren't favorable, good prospects choose other departments to work in where they will be supported.

It’s crazy how much you cops whine and complain while making 6 figures on the public dime without a college degree. Quite honestly if you don’t like your job it would in fact be better for all involved for you to quit. People like you should not be in public interfacing roles in law enforcement.

I'm not a cop. Not related to one. Not friends with any. People need to understand this situation is complex, and recruiting and retaining good police is the best way to have safer policing.

Also not a cop, and not a friend or family member of any. I agree with PP. No one wants to be a cop right now — that situation is a downward spiral. Also, your wrong about the 6 figure. Starting salary for MCPD is 52K. With 5 years prior experience, you can start at 62K. That’s not a go of money around here especially for people to shoot at you and assume you are a racist. Who needs that, for that amount of money?

If the cities and communities who don't really want policemen handling crimes find it difficult to hire enough police because of their policies and expectations, then so be it. It won't take long forcrime to take its toll. Then they can decide if worth It.

It already is taking its toll. Homicides are up like 300% this year in MoCo. There was one last night too. And while it's not a verified source, the local police union says they have responded to 25 additional non-fatal shootings, that we don't necessarily hear about.