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Anonymous wrote:Some of you really don't get it. There is systematic inequality built into the current system. It isn't that your 'advanced' kid has a "different learning style." It's that your kid grew up in a house with parents who could read their math textbook and help them with homework. Many of you DO pay for tutors. You sent your kid to a quality preschool. Your kid has had every opportunity to learn and, yes, get ahead of other kids who are just as smart, talented, and capable as your child.

This change levels the playing field. If you don't like it, tough.

The majority of us DON'T pay for tutors. The point is that we're asking for additional resources/work to help underprivileged kids who don't have the advantages of 'parents who can read their math textbook' or 'going to preschool'. Instead of saying that kids who have the advantage of a 'better' home situation must not be allowed to learn too much.

I fully believe that racial makeup does not determine ability... which tells me that the kids who aren't getting the advantages are perfectly capable of performing at the same level if they're given a couple of advantages. WHY aren't we trying to boost these kids up, instead of tearing everyone else down?

Actually, you're not asking for anything except the status quo. You didn't care about systemic inequality before it impacted your life in this way.

And YOU may not be paying for tutors, but your neighbors are using mathnasium, kuman, and all the other math places. Otherwise, they wouldn't be in business. Giving a few meager resources to underprivileged kids, when they're already behind, is not enough.

What do you think is going to happen to your snowflake when s/he learns math slightly later than the ideal time you had in your head? Do you really think this condemns them to a worse college or job? Because if you do, you need your head examined. Seriously. Like, go call a doctor. I'll hold.

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Anonymous wrote:There is NO path for any of the three levels of IB math NOR for calculus in HS--unless you believe that kids can do algebra 2/trig and precalculus in ONE year.

So please explain to me how we can say squeezing algebra 2/trig and precalculus can be done in ONE year, and at the same time kids need three years to master division in the k-10 math (as per VMPI).

Please explain this to this average IQ person writing this.,.....

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the ONE year is grade 11--as there is NO algebra 2 before 11th--for ANYONE

Algebra 2 is part of essential concepts.

https://www.lcps.org/Page/212323
“These changes include the creation of Essential Concepts courses in Grades 8-10 to replace Algebra 1, Geometry, Algebra II courses and increased options for higher level mathematics courses in Grades 11-12, including Advanced Placement courses.“

"concepts" NOT the REAL course, that is a huge difference,unlike for VMPI there is real world experience that kids are unprepared ie without a whole year of algebra 2 and trig and are BEHIND AND ARE NOT ABLE to succeed in precalc, furthermore, if you look at VMPI the driver is NOT having algebra 2 as that is where the biggest gap is...so dear person you can NOT have your cake and eat it too...

FCC experimented with doing geometry/algebra 2 in 1 year and it was a cluster###--the kids were totally unprepared and FCC abandoned this after one year-neatly stuffed under the carpet, obviously the unlucky kids who gut stuck in this had a huge issue with their HS math...but oh well.......

Seems like you’re not following some of the key elements. Have you watched the community meetings? Start there.

No, he has it right. Algebra 2 was highlighted as a weeding out class.
Also, they mention that calculus just isn't that important.
It's clear the only reason calculus is included as an elective is they are embarrassed to leave it out.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is NO path for any of the three levels of IB math NOR for calculus in HS--unless you believe that kids can do algebra 2/trig and precalculus in ONE year.

So please explain to me how we can say squeezing algebra 2/trig and precalculus can be done in ONE year, and at the same time kids need three years to master division in the k-10 math (as per VMPI).

Please explain this to this average IQ person writing this.,.....

addendum
the ONE year is grade 11--as there is NO algebra 2 before 11th--for ANYONE

Algebra 2 is part of essential concepts.

https://www.lcps.org/Page/212323
“These changes include the creation of Essential Concepts courses in Grades 8-10 to replace Algebra 1, Geometry, Algebra II courses and increased options for higher level mathematics courses in Grades 11-12, including Advanced Placement courses.“

"concepts" NOT the REAL course, that is a huge difference,unlike for VMPI there is real world experience that kids are unprepared ie without a whole year of algebra 2 and trig and are BEHIND AND ARE NOT ABLE to succeed in precalc, furthermore, if you look at VMPI the driver is NOT having algebra 2 as that is where the biggest gap is...so dear person you can NOT have your cake and eat it too...

FCC experimented with doing geometry/algebra 2 in 1 year and it was a cluster###--the kids were totally unprepared and FCC abandoned this after one year-neatly stuffed under the carpet, obviously the unlucky kids who gut stuck in this had a huge issue with their HS math...but oh well.......

Seems like you’re not following some of the key elements. Have you watched the community meetings? Start there.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is NO path for any of the three levels of IB math NOR for calculus in HS--unless you believe that kids can do algebra 2/trig and precalculus in ONE year.

So please explain to me how we can say squeezing algebra 2/trig and precalculus can be done in ONE year, and at the same time kids need three years to master division in the k-10 math (as per VMPI).

Please explain this to this average IQ person writing this.,.....

addendum
the ONE year is grade 11--as there is NO algebra 2 before 11th--for ANYONE

Algebra 2 is part of essential concepts.

https://www.lcps.org/Page/212323
“These changes include the creation of Essential Concepts courses in Grades 8-10 to replace Algebra 1, Geometry, Algebra II courses and increased options for higher level mathematics courses in Grades 11-12, including Advanced Placement courses.“

"concepts" NOT the REAL course, that is a huge difference,unlike for VMPI there is real world experience that kids are unprepared ie without a whole year of algebra 2 and trig and are BEHIND AND ARE NOT ABLE to succeed in precalc, furthermore, if you look at VMPI the driver is NOT having algebra 2 as that is where the biggest gap is...so dear person you can NOT have your cake and eat it too...

FCC experimented with doing geometry/algebra 2 in 1 year and it was a cluster###--the kids were totally unprepared and FCC abandoned this after one year-neatly stuffed under the carpet, obviously the unlucky kids who gut stuck in this had a huge issue with their HS math...but oh well.......

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some of you really don't get it. There is systematic inequality built into the current system. It isn't that your 'advanced' kid has a "different learning style." It's that your kid grew up in a house with parents who could read their math textbook and help them with homework. Many of you DO pay for tutors. You sent your kid to a quality preschool. Your kid has had every opportunity to learn and, yes, get ahead of other kids who are just as smart, talented, and capable as your child.

This change levels the playing field. If you don't like it, tough.

I think private school will be available to them.

Somehow, having all the upper SES students leave to private school seems counterproductive...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is NO path for any of the three levels of IB math NOR for calculus in HS--unless you believe that kids can do algebra 2/trig and precalculus in ONE year.

So please explain to me how we can say squeezing algebra 2/trig and precalculus can be done in ONE year, and at the same time kids need three years to master division in the k-10 math (as per VMPI).

Please explain this to this average IQ person writing this.,.....

addendum
the ONE year is grade 11--as there is NO algebra 2 before 11th--for ANYONE

Algebra 2 is part of essential concepts.

https://www.lcps.org/Page/212323
“These changes include the creation of Essential Concepts courses in Grades 8-10 to replace Algebra 1, Geometry, Algebra II courses and increased options for higher level mathematics courses in Grades 11-12, including Advanced Placement courses.“

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Right now, you're saying the system will be more fair because the kids with higher SES will not be permitted to perform to the best of their ability. Should we ban parents from reading to their preschoolers so that everyone is more 'equal' in Kindergarten? No, that's insane. We should put in efforts to help every child get that same kind of enrichment.

Great - you finally caught on. Go put your efforts there.

The point is that VMPI isn't doing this at all.

Anonymous wrote:There is NO path for any of the three levels of IB math NOR for calculus in HS--unless you believe that kids can do algebra 2/trig and precalculus in ONE year.

So please explain to me how we can say squeezing algebra 2/trig and precalculus can be done in ONE year, and at the same time kids need three years to master division in the k-10 math (as per VMPI).

Please explain this to this average IQ person writing this.,.....

addendum
the ONE year is grade 11--as there is NO algebra 2 before 11th--for ANYONE

Per proposed system, no one will be prepared for Calculus. These 1/2 credit courses are ridiculous. Why not make them electives??

There is NO path for any of the three levels of IB math NOR for calculus in HS--unless you believe that kids can do algebra 2/trig and precalculus in ONE year.

So please explain to me how we can say squeezing algebra 2/trig and precalculus can be done in ONE year, and at the same time kids need three years to master division in the k-10 math (as per VMPI).

Please explain this to this average IQ person writing this.,.....

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Anonymous wrote:Step back, parents. YOU are a big part of the problem.

I think this is a great move by VA to reset our education.

The don’t complain when your children can’t afford to own a home or have kids.

+1. The people who think this is a great idea are the same people who will be pissed in ten years' time because their kids won't have the math chops to get into a decent college.

How much more do they need than calculus?

People are concerned because we're not convinced anyone will be able to (easily) get calculus, period. It's not that they need *more* than calc .

Why are you "concerned"? Calculus is included as a path.

https://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/mathematics/vmpi/infographic-vmpi-virginia.pdf

ADVANCED
MATHEMATICS
CONCEPTS
GRADES 11-12

1 Credit Course Options
Some courses may include
Dual Enrollment and Advanced Placement
• Quantitative Reasoning
• Computer Science
• Calculus
• Statistics
• International Baccalaureate

It doesn’t level the playing field. It just puts all of VA’s kids at the same disadvantage when they compete to get into college and get jobs with kids from other states and countries. This seems like the dumbest idea ever.

Anonymous wrote:Some of you really don't get it. There is systematic inequality built into the current system. It isn't that your 'advanced' kid has a "different learning style." It's that your kid grew up in a house with parents who could read their math textbook and help them with homework. Many of you DO pay for tutors. You sent your kid to a quality preschool. Your kid has had every opportunity to learn and, yes, get ahead of other kids who are just as smart, talented, and capable as your child.

This change levels the playing field. If you don't like it, tough.

I think private school will be available to them.

Anonymous wrote:Some of you really don't get it. There is systematic inequality built into the current system. It isn't that your 'advanced' kid has a "different learning style." It's that your kid grew up in a house with parents who could read their math textbook and help them with homework. Many of you DO pay for tutors. You sent your kid to a quality preschool. Your kid has had every opportunity to learn and, yes, get ahead of other kids who are just as smart, talented, and capable as your child.

This change levels the playing field. If you don't like it, tough.

The majority of us DON'T pay for tutors. The point is that we're asking for additional resources/work to help underprivileged kids who don't have the advantages of 'parents who can read their math textbook' or 'going to preschool'. Instead of saying that kids who have the advantage of a 'better' home situation must not be allowed to learn too much.

I fully believe that racial makeup does not determine ability... which tells me that the kids who aren't getting the advantages are perfectly capable of performing at the same level if they're given a couple of advantages. WHY aren't we trying to boost these kids up, instead of tearing everyone else down?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Step back, parents. YOU are a big part of the problem.

I think this is a great move by VA to reset our education.

The don’t complain when your children can’t afford to own a home or have kids.

+1. The people who think this is a great idea are the same people who will be pissed in ten years' time because their kids won't have the math chops to get into a decent college.

How much more do they need than calculus?

People are concerned because we're not convinced anyone will be able to (easily) get calculus, period. It's not that they need *more* than calc .