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Anonymous wrote:The reason I like the structure and dogma is that it is something I can aim at a work on weekly. The reason I don’t like the people is because they are not nice and it doesn’t seem like the fruits of their labor are actually good.

All the people?

No, but unfortunately there are too many bad apples to make it a healthy place. You can't get away from them easily.

Every church? Everywhere?

Can you name a church with no bad apples? I’d like to go.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason I like the structure and dogma is that it is something I can aim at a work on weekly. The reason I don’t like the people is because they are not nice and it doesn’t seem like the fruits of their labor are actually good.

All the people?

No, but unfortunately there are too many bad apples to make it a healthy place. You can't get away from them easily.

Every church? Everywhere?

Well DC or Arlington for a start.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason I like the structure and dogma is that it is something I can aim at a work on weekly. The reason I don’t like the people is because they are not nice and it doesn’t seem like the fruits of their labor are actually good.

All the people?

No, but unfortunately there are too many bad apples to make it a healthy place. You can't get away from them easily.

Every church? Everywhere?

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Anonymous wrote:The reason I like the structure and dogma is that it is something I can aim at a work on weekly. The reason I don’t like the people is because they are not nice and it doesn’t seem like the fruits of their labor are actually good.

All the people?

No, but unfortunately there are too many bad apples to make it a healthy place. You can't get away from them easily.

Anonymous wrote:The reason I like the structure and dogma is that it is something I can aim at a work on weekly. The reason I don’t like the people is because they are not nice and it doesn’t seem like the fruits of their labor are actually good.

All the people?

The reason I like the structure and dogma is that it is something I can aim at a work on weekly. The reason I don’t like the people is because they are not nice and it doesn’t seem like the fruits of their labor are actually good.

Anonymous wrote:For DH, who grew up very Catholic (several of his aunts are nuns) it was going to college and becoming sexually active that drove him from being a practicing Catholic. And then when the church abuse scandal broke and he saw the church's reaction, he totally broke from them and really started badmouthing them to anyone who will listen.

In fact, all his siblings left the Catholic church.

Then, after his brother died, DH's parents also stopped going.

We ultimately became Presbyterian.

I don't think there is anything parents can do. The structure and dogna of the Catholics is what drives people away.

I like the structure and dogma. I don’t like the people. Hard to tell about the lapsed ones who don’t go to church. They are kind of just there and I don’t really consider them anything but culturally or spiritually catholic. But the people I’m really turned off by are the ones actually at church who don’t appear to be on a journey to follow God and are more there to identify as catholic and be on the same team with others against the world. Alsoa turn off are the priests and nuns doing these heinous things. All the kind people who used to be there more for the prayer and the service are aging out. The families are pretty insular and when they do talk I’m usually taken aback by their judgments of others.

The thread is about lapsed Catholics. "Lapsed" can mean different things. You've heard of "quiet quitting?' That's what I see all around me -- the lifestyle Catholics who could care less about Church dogma, and routinely ignore it. But ask them and they will tell you they are Catholic!

Anonymous wrote:For DH, who grew up very Catholic (several of his aunts are nuns) it was going to college and becoming sexually active that drove him from being a practicing Catholic. And then when the church abuse scandal broke and he saw the church's reaction, he totally broke from them and really started badmouthing them to anyone who will listen.

In fact, all his siblings left the Catholic church.

Then, after his brother died, DH's parents also stopped going.

We ultimately became Presbyterian.

I don't think there is anything parents can do. The structure and dogna of the Catholics is what drives people away.

“The structure and [sic] dogna of the Catholics is what drives people away.”

Nonsense. People’s own choices “drive” them away just as surely as if they got into their own car, started the engine, and left the parking lot. Blaming the Church for personal decisions to reject its beliefs, deny the reality of sin in one’s own life, seek the grace of repentance and be absolved is the fundamental hypocrisy that appears over and over in these pages. To reject “dogma,” one has to understand it, and people who have left the Church over legitimate dogmatic differences that they can intelligently articulate are few and far between. People stop practicing do so in large part because they enjoy their sins, don’t want to stop, feel guilty about it, and decide to blame somebody else instead of taking responsibility for their own actions. The sex scandals, to which Presbyterians and other religious and secular organizations are hardly immune, is another false excuse.

For DH, who grew up very Catholic (several of his aunts are nuns) it was going to college and becoming sexually active that drove him from being a practicing Catholic. And then when the church abuse scandal broke and he saw the church's reaction, he totally broke from them and really started badmouthing them to anyone who will listen.

In fact, all his siblings left the Catholic church.

Then, after his brother died, DH's parents also stopped going.

We ultimately became Presbyterian.

I don't think there is anything parents can do. The structure and dogna of the Catholics is what drives people away.

For me, it was realizing this idea of the One True Church in the fallen world is central to the theology and practice of the Church. Among the Catholic religious and laity I love and respect there is so much

-molesting priests, what do you expect in a fallen work. Pray harder and get to heaven.
-Church protection and coverup of molesting priests, what do you expect in a fallen work. Pray harder and get to heaven.
-kidnapping children from their families, abusing them, trying to destroy their culture, well it was for their own good and if they were hurt what do you expect in a fallen work. Pray harder and get to heaven.
-financial abuse, spiritual abuse, what do you expect in a fallen work. Pray harder and get to heaven.

All that made me realize that I"m not living for heaven I'm living for this life.

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Anonymous wrote:And as if on cue, today's afternoon article.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pope-francis-says-priests-and-nuns-watch-vice-of-porn-warns-the-devil-enters-from-there/ar-AA13pof2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ab71239a13e34144a2974cfb9917ac75

some of these denominations a kinda weird about sex. Did you notice how the very first thing Adam and Eve noticed after she ate the apple was that they were naked. :"And the were ashamed." Why?

At least the Jews though had real people messing up but trying to follow God. I feel like Jesus and Mary aren’t real humans in the same sense. Which ok, but then they aren’t really a role model except on what God is instead of humans.

You also have the apostles and Paul messing up but trying to follow God. And all the real people Jesus interacts with.

Correct but the message isn't what would Paul do or what would Martha do?

Paul and Martha don’t have catchy slogans, no. But you can’t argue there are no relatable humans who are striving to live Christian lives.

I can argue that the catechism is aligned with Jesus and Mary, not Paul and Martha.

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Anonymous wrote:And as if on cue, today's afternoon article.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pope-francis-says-priests-and-nuns-watch-vice-of-porn-warns-the-devil-enters-from-there/ar-AA13pof2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ab71239a13e34144a2974cfb9917ac75

some of these denominations a kinda weird about sex. Did you notice how the very first thing Adam and Eve noticed after she ate the apple was that they were naked. :"And the were ashamed." Why?

At least the Jews though had real people messing up but trying to follow God. I feel like Jesus and Mary aren’t real humans in the same sense. Which ok, but then they aren’t really a role model except on what God is instead of humans.

You also have the apostles and Paul messing up but trying to follow God. And all the real people Jesus interacts with.

Correct but the message isn't what would Paul do or what would Martha do?

Paul and Martha don’t have catchy slogans, no. But you can’t argue there are no relatable humans who are striving to live Christian lives.

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Anonymous wrote:And as if on cue, today's afternoon article.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pope-francis-says-priests-and-nuns-watch-vice-of-porn-warns-the-devil-enters-from-there/ar-AA13pof2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ab71239a13e34144a2974cfb9917ac75

Wow! An enormous global industry and they’re the only customers!

What happened to “who am I to judge?”

You are too obtuse and argumentative to follow this conversation. You add nothing to it.

Hit a nerve, huh?

DP. Go away, troll. You bombed on the Halloween and suicide threads. You really need to get another hobby and a more fulfilling life for yourself.

Huh? Never posted on those. But your emotionalized defensive response says I hit a nerve for sure.

Sure

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Anonymous wrote:And as if on cue, today's afternoon article.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pope-francis-says-priests-and-nuns-watch-vice-of-porn-warns-the-devil-enters-from-there/ar-AA13pof2?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ab71239a13e34144a2974cfb9917ac75

some of these denominations a kinda weird about sex. Did you notice how the very first thing Adam and Eve noticed after she ate the apple was that they were naked. :"And the were ashamed." Why?

At least the Jews though had real people messing up but trying to follow God. I feel like Jesus and Mary aren’t real humans in the same sense. Which ok, but then they aren’t really a role model except on what God is instead of humans.

You also have the apostles and Paul messing up but trying to follow God. And all the real people Jesus interacts with.

Correct but the message isn't what would Paul do or what would Martha do?