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Anonymous wrote:I remember reading in one of the articles that MPD was afraid to fight back because too many people were armed.

Let that sink in. Too many people armed (illegally) while committing a crime. Too much of a threat to law enforcement for them to do their job.

This was not a success. This was barely hanging on, avoiding a coup. A success would have been mass arrests with appropriate precautions and backup if the criminals started shooting.

This was predictable, 'worst case scenario' mayhem. Many lessons to be learned, including to get over our reticence to use NG and riot gear police. Yes, the optics aren't great. But I'd rather have protestors feelings get hurt (while protecting their right to peaceful, permitted protest) than what happens when mobs run amuck. We all lose then.

As long as they are peaceful black protestors. If they are violent white rioters it’s okay for the feds to stand down and blame the mayor.

Are you ignoring that there was an "outcry" after this summer and the Feds (and Bowser) were responding to that? FWIW, I have zero issue with MG in black or white demonstrations. Come for both!

You still fail to see the point. What Bowser did for city streets and the National Guard was adequate for what happened. The issue was at the US Capitol. The Capitol Police and the Feds willfully effed up. That is NOT Bowsers fault. That is on the President and the Trump appointed head of the AOC.

The Head of the DC National Guard testified the city was underprepared, but you cam civilian-splain to him. I dont think Bowser bears all the responsibility by any means, but his words speak for themself.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember reading in one of the articles that MPD was afraid to fight back because too many people were armed.

Let that sink in. Too many people armed (illegally) while committing a crime. Too much of a threat to law enforcement for them to do their job.

This was not a success. This was barely hanging on, avoiding a coup. A success would have been mass arrests with appropriate precautions and backup if the criminals started shooting.

This was predictable, 'worst case scenario' mayhem. Many lessons to be learned, including to get over our reticence to use NG and riot gear police. Yes, the optics aren't great. But I'd rather have protestors feelings get hurt (while protecting their right to peaceful, permitted protest) than what happens when mobs run amuck. We all lose then.

As long as they are peaceful black protestors. If they are violent white rioters it’s okay for the feds to stand down and blame the mayor.

Are you ignoring that there was an "outcry" after this summer and the Feds (and Bowser) were responding to that? FWIW, I have zero issue with MG in black or white demonstrations. Come for both!

You still fail to see the point. What Bowser did for city streets and the National Guard was adequate for what happened. The issue was at the US Capitol. The Capitol Police and the Feds willfully effed up. That is NOT Bowsers fault. That is on the President and the Trump appointed head of the AOC.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember reading in one of the articles that MPD was afraid to fight back because too many people were armed.

Let that sink in. Too many people armed (illegally) while committing a crime. Too much of a threat to law enforcement for them to do their job.

This was not a success. This was barely hanging on, avoiding a coup. A success would have been mass arrests with appropriate precautions and backup if the criminals started shooting.

This was predictable, 'worst case scenario' mayhem. Many lessons to be learned, including to get over our reticence to use NG and riot gear police. Yes, the optics aren't great. But I'd rather have protestors feelings get hurt (while protecting their right to peaceful, permitted protest) than what happens when mobs run amuck. We all lose then.

As long as they are peaceful black protestors. If they are violent white rioters it’s okay for the feds to stand down and blame the mayor.

Are you ignoring that there was an "outcry" after this summer and the Feds (and Bowser) were responding to that? FWIW, I have zero issue with MG in black or white demonstrations. Come for both!

Here the thing MPD’s mission is not to provide security for the feds or crowd control for the feds. If the NG deploys under MPD the mission is to support MPD. The Guard units will be assigned in small units to provide logistical help to MPD and placed around the city with MPD officers. They will be assigned to intersections in Georgetown, Tenleytown, etc. They are basically traffic control. DC has no say in the security for the Capitol or White House and is at best an auxiliary force used to extend the perimeter security.

DC NG has about 2,700 personnel. Only a small part of that number is military police. The vast majority are support units- army band, Maintenance unit, Aviation units, ambulance unit. Etc.

Also MPD is not a huge force. It only has 3,800 officers budget 568 million. They sent 850 officers to the Capitol. If they had the NG units with them they would have had maybe 200 more people. Capitol police 2,300 officers and a budget of 450 million. The Capitol police had 500 on duty on Jan 6th.

The feds had more than enough train personal to handle the situation. They chose not to handle the situation. The Secret Service has over 6,000 officer, DHS has 60,000, Border Patrol 19,000 plus, etc. the crowd that stormed the Capitol was about 8,000.

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Anonymous wrote:I remember reading in one of the articles that MPD was afraid to fight back because too many people were armed.

Let that sink in. Too many people armed (illegally) while committing a crime. Too much of a threat to law enforcement for them to do their job.

This was not a success. This was barely hanging on, avoiding a coup. A success would have been mass arrests with appropriate precautions and backup if the criminals started shooting.

This was predictable, 'worst case scenario' mayhem. Many lessons to be learned, including to get over our reticence to use NG and riot gear police. Yes, the optics aren't great. But I'd rather have protestors feelings get hurt (while protecting their right to peaceful, permitted protest) than what happens when mobs run amuck. We all lose then.

As long as they are peaceful black protestors. If they are violent white rioters it’s okay for the feds to stand down and blame the mayor.

Anonymous wrote:I remember reading in one of the articles that MPD was afraid to fight back because too many people were armed.

Let that sink in. Too many people armed (illegally) while committing a crime. Too much of a threat to law enforcement for them to do their job.

This was not a success. This was barely hanging on, avoiding a coup. A success would have been mass arrests with appropriate precautions and backup if the criminals started shooting.

This was predictable, 'worst case scenario' mayhem. Many lessons to be learned, including to get over our reticence to use NG and riot gear police. Yes, the optics aren't great. But I'd rather have protestors feelings get hurt (while protecting their right to peaceful, permitted protest) than what happens when mobs run amuck. We all lose then.

I remember reading in one of the articles that MPD was afraid to fight back because too many people were armed.

Let that sink in. Too many people armed (illegally) while committing a crime. Too much of a threat to law enforcement for them to do their job.

This was not a success. This was barely hanging on, avoiding a coup. A success would have been mass arrests with appropriate precautions and backup if the criminals started shooting.

PP again:

And to say that MPD was prepared and sufficiently able to serve as backup at the Capitol is an over-statement. They massively helped save the day, along with the feds and then the Guard who eventually arrived.

But they suffered hugely and were still massively out resourced. Why were so few people arrested? Because no one was prepared with large arrest teams. Why did so many officers get hurt? Because they were undermanned and barely holding it together even with the MPD there. An MPD officer killed himself after the response. But some of you say Bowser’s planning was totally sufficient?

Mmm. The new Post article someone already added to this thread is pretty clear: this was a massive shared f—up and Bowser owns a portion of it.

I don’t understand the hyper narrow focus of some on this thread on the point that all this was beyond her jurisdiction. Her jurisdiction is a less than a centimeter away from the Capitol. The rioters are an overlapping problem that crossed jurisdictions. If it was totally beyond MPD’s jurisdiction, none of the MOD could have been deployed to help at the Capitol, which of course they were.

Is your position that Bowser foresaw a large much more violent mob than before that might storm the Capitol or otherwise act violently and destructively - and she failed to warn the entities that she cooperated with about it? That would be much worse. Much more believable is that she too underestimated the threat, and was also not sufficiently prepared.

USCP is first in line for responsibility, but she is there too.

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Head of DC National Guard, William Walker. Today's Post. Youre welcome!:

Walker said one takeaway from the Jan. 6 riot should be that when in doubt, city and federal authorities should always err on the side of requesting a contingency of National Guard troops to be at the ready in advance, even if they don’t end up being used.
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I just thought I'd highlight the rest of it for you -- the "and federal authorities" part. As you said to a PP: You're welcome.

Curious, why did you highlight "city" while completely ignoring "federal authorities"? Is it something personal with Mayor Bowser that stops you from fully reading, or perhaps fully understanding even the quotes that you post yourself?

Also curious: Are you actively advocating for DC statehood? So that the Mayor can become a Governor and actually have some of the authority and powers that you clearly believe someone in her position should have?

Because this thread is in DC Metro Politics and titled "Bowser". OF COURSE the Feds share culpability, as has been mentioned MANY times in this thread and in threads in National Politics.

Well, at least you're consistent in your over-focusing. I hope you can appreciate that others often prefer stuff like contexts and actual facts.

So are you "Civilian-splainin'" the HEAD of the DC National Guard?

No, just you, and your curious inability to look beyond your current grasp of the situation.

So YOU grasp the "facts and context" better than the Head of the DC National Guard who testified yesterday that the city/Bowser could have better managed (in coordination with the Feds) the deployment of prepared NG for 1/6, and should apply lessons learned moving forward. His words, not mine. So you are arguing with his take of the situation.