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Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

I graduated grad school in the sciences and know of one minority female in the same program who went to go to work in pharma as a scientist right out of school (extremely difficult job to obtain). In less than 3 years she's now a senior scientist. That's absurd. That's all without doing any post-doc of any kind and also having no prior industry experience. If you're white and male, just to get a scientist position in pharma you better have publications out the wazoo in top journals, and you better have 5+ years of post-doc experience in a prestigious lab. Then you'll only start as a scientist, and it'll take another 5-10+ years of experience to reach a senior scientist position. You can also forget about getting a tenure track position these days in academia if you're a white dude. It's ridiculous pandering to diversity without requiring people to put in the time and training like other groups. The person I know that rocketed up to a position like that also came from an UMC family - her dad was a professor and mom was a physician. As if she came from an underprivileged household my behind. My mom was a social worker for the state making $31k per year and my dad was a mechanic making $45k per year. I guess I had more privilege though growing up in a very blue collar home than a minority person who grew up in a 6 figure income household.

Asian men also face the same discrimination, as was revealed by the google lawsuits. This is why China and Asia will be much better in the future when it comes to innovation and GDP growth - they hire the best people possible and don't care about diversity crap. I've even seriously considered moving East to take my skills elsewhere where aptitude and skills are rewarded, and people don't get promoted for identity issues. Plenty of opportunities exist in China, Singapore, and Korea these days. The vast majority of economic growth will be in Asia in 21st century anyway as they blow away the US.

Do you really think people with options will choose to immigrate to a totalitarian country that has no problem imprisoning foreigners on a political whim that randomly ruins powerful people for speaking ill of leadership? Good luck with that

Spoken like someone who doesn't work in science. You'd be very, very surprised at how much China is currently sniping talent away from the US. They're offering people sometimes over $1M USD to come and open up labs. Biotech is blowing up in China. But keep sticking your head in the sand. China's GDP will be double the size of the US' by about 2050. Everything is moving east, and it'll only get worse as Eastern economies focus on hiring talent, while the US and the west are stuck on hiring people for identity.

If you love Asia so much, why don't you go back? China is benefiting from the work and educational systems of the US and Western world. They are incapable of innovating. The US certainly needs to stop hiring based on identity, but China will be a problem because it is a cheater (to the tune of $600 billion in stolen IP every year) - which game theory tells us, wins in these situations - not because it has anything of substance to offer the world. Japan, however, IS an innovative country (and culture), hopefully they become the superpower in the East.

You don't know crap. Because westerners are the only people on Earth capable of innovating. China, without question, is now the world leader in quantum telecommunications and is now eclipsing the US and the rest of the west in the artificial intelligence race. China invests in research and development, and hires the best people. No one gets extra points for identity crap. Go read up on how labs are funded in China. The use objective measures to evaluate candidates for funding research. The west is increasingly becoming a has been, and the focus on identity politics will only hasten the downfall because all it does is create tribalism and promotions based on who you sleep with, what you have between your legs, and your race. Whether your western ethnocentric ass likes it or not, this is the reality of what's coming:



People with talent will move east for work, because they'll get jobs for their skills and not for identity's sake.

Anonymous wrote:Well, it's a movement. I'm not clear that it's "intellectual". I'd be interested to hear what they have to support their rants -- besides their own shared opinions.

- What would they like to see happen to young white boys? There's school, there's sports, there are a whole host of other activities if parents choose to pursue them. While it is true that there are efforts to support some members of minority groups and girls -- these efforts are linked to the under-representation and under-investment in these groups historically.

- Who is calling them / saying these things? Note: If you're Justice Kavanaugh, that's because there are very specific concerns that need to be addressed.

- Let's have some stats on that. (Note, the ones that I know about do not suggest anything close to this. Check the numbers on hiring, firing, and salaries.)

- Which "media" and what do you mean by "taken over"? Again, provide some data. How many head anchors are women and/or minorities? How many women and minorities have their own news shows?

- White men seem to be doing pretty fine as I see it -- particularly if they're Republican. How many Senators have been women and/or members of minority groups in the last 100 years? CEOs of major corporations? In any case, my point is that I don't feel these assertions are supported by data.

tldr: Got any data to support the rant? I'll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

I graduated grad school in the sciences and know of one minority female in the same program who went to go to work in pharma as a scientist right out of school (extremely difficult job to obtain). In less than 3 years she's now a senior scientist. That's absurd. That's all without doing any post-doc of any kind and also having no prior industry experience. If you're white and male, just to get a scientist position in pharma you better have publications out the wazoo in top journals, and you better have 5+ years of post-doc experience in a prestigious lab. Then you'll only start as a scientist, and it'll take another 5-10+ years of experience to reach a senior scientist position. You can also forget about getting a tenure track position these days in academia if you're a white dude. It's ridiculous pandering to diversity without requiring people to put in the time and training like other groups. The person I know that rocketed up to a position like that also came from an UMC family - her dad was a professor and mom was a physician. As if she came from an underprivileged household my behind. My mom was a social worker for the state making $31k per year and my dad was a mechanic making $45k per year. I guess I had more privilege though growing up in a very blue collar home than a minority person who grew up in a 6 figure income household.

Asian men also face the same discrimination, as was revealed by the google lawsuits. This is why China and Asia will be much better in the future when it comes to innovation and GDP growth - they hire the best people possible and don't care about diversity crap. I've even seriously considered moving East to take my skills elsewhere where aptitude and skills are rewarded, and people don't get promoted for identity issues. Plenty of opportunities exist in China, Singapore, and Korea these days. The vast majority of economic growth will be in Asia in 21st century anyway as they blow away the US.

Do you really think people with options will choose to immigrate to a totalitarian country that has no problem imprisoning foreigners on a political whim that randomly ruins powerful people for speaking ill of leadership? Good luck with that

Spoken like someone who doesn't work in science. You'd be very, very surprised at how much China is currently sniping talent away from the US. They're offering people sometimes over $1M USD to come and open up labs. Biotech is blowing up in China. But keep sticking your head in the sand. China's GDP will be double the size of the US' by about 2050. Everything is moving east, and it'll only get worse as Eastern economies focus on hiring talent, while the US and the west are stuck on hiring people for identity.

If you love Asia so much, why don't you go back? China is benefiting from the work and educational systems of the US and Western world. They are incapable of innovating. The US certainly needs to stop hiring based on identity, but China will be a problem because it is a cheater (to the tune of $600 billion in stolen IP every year) - which game theory tells us, wins in these situations - not because it has anything of substance to offer the world. Japan, however, IS an innovative country (and culture), hopefully they become the superpower in the East.

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Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

Why cant you son look to female role models? Girls have had to look to male role models for years! My nephew an avid skier just wanted a famous woman skier because that is his role model! If you are showing him old stuff he will get thr ideas that only white men can do stuff and save the day.

Your son wont break if he is shown women or POC as lead actors!

I hate when someone says it had "swung too far the other way" where we were you when yhe great white male way was the only way?

My child was not here then obviously and that is what matters. He has all female teachers, 3 woman drs, two female karate instructors. I want him to have male role models too and maybe I’m in some bubble, but not seeing modern masculine role models for him in media.

Interesting that you feel that way. How old is your son? When I look at the media my kids enjoy, I still see a lot of male characters and role models - Dragon Prince (2 brothers as lead characters), Gravity Falls, Avatar - The Last Airbender, Gortimer Gibbons, the new Just Add Magic - Mystery City, and on and on.

I’m going to check out these shows for him. Thanks

You absolutely must be a troll. Staring with Caillou, Sesame Street and Bob the builder the VAST majority of kids TV shows are about male characters. That's why Dora and Doc McStuffins were f-ing groundbreaking. Why do we indulge this shit.

Totally not a troll. My kid is older and that’s what I’m looking for.

You are absolutely a troll if you claim you can't find any shows/movies for older kids that feature a male lead. GTFO

Mom of boys 13, 11, 8.

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Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

I graduated grad school in the sciences and know of one minority female in the same program who went to go to work in pharma as a scientist right out of school (extremely difficult job to obtain). In less than 3 years she's now a senior scientist. That's absurd. That's all without doing any post-doc of any kind and also having no prior industry experience. If you're white and male, just to get a scientist position in pharma you better have publications out the wazoo in top journals, and you better have 5+ years of post-doc experience in a prestigious lab. Then you'll only start as a scientist, and it'll take another 5-10+ years of experience to reach a senior scientist position. You can also forget about getting a tenure track position these days in academia if you're a white dude. It's ridiculous pandering to diversity without requiring people to put in the time and training like other groups. The person I know that rocketed up to a position like that also came from an UMC family - her dad was a professor and mom was a physician. As if she came from an underprivileged household my behind. My mom was a social worker for the state making $31k per year and my dad was a mechanic making $45k per year. I guess I had more privilege though growing up in a very blue collar home than a minority person who grew up in a 6 figure income household.

Asian men also face the same discrimination, as was revealed by the google lawsuits. This is why China and Asia will be much better in the future when it comes to innovation and GDP growth - they hire the best people possible and don't care about diversity crap. I've even seriously considered moving East to take my skills elsewhere where aptitude and skills are rewarded, and people don't get promoted for identity issues. Plenty of opportunities exist in China, Singapore, and Korea these days. The vast majority of economic growth will be in Asia in 21st century anyway as they blow away the US.

Do you really think people with options will choose to immigrate to a totalitarian country that has no problem imprisoning foreigners on a political whim that randomly ruins powerful people for speaking ill of leadership? Good luck with that

Spoken like someone who doesn't work in science. You'd be very, very surprised at how much China is currently sniping talent away from the US. They're offering people sometimes over $1M USD to come and open up labs. Biotech is blowing up in China. But keep sticking your head in the sand. China's GDP will be double the size of the US' by about 2050. Everything is moving east, and it'll only get worse as Eastern economies focus on hiring talent, while the US and the west are stuck on hiring people for identity.

If you love Asia so much, why don't you go back? China is benefiting from the work and educational systems of the US and Western world. They are incapable of innovating. The US certainly needs to stop hiring based on identity, but China will be a problem because it is a cheater (to the tune of $600 billion in stolen IP every year) - which game theory tells us, wins in these situations - not because it has anything of substance to offer the world. Japan, however, IS an innovative country (and culture), hopefully they become the superpower in the East.

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Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

I graduated grad school in the sciences and know of one minority female in the same program who went to go to work in pharma as a scientist right out of school (extremely difficult job to obtain). In less than 3 years she's now a senior scientist. That's absurd. That's all without doing any post-doc of any kind and also having no prior industry experience. If you're white and male, just to get a scientist position in pharma you better have publications out the wazoo in top journals, and you better have 5+ years of post-doc experience in a prestigious lab. Then you'll only start as a scientist, and it'll take another 5-10+ years of experience to reach a senior scientist position. You can also forget about getting a tenure track position these days in academia if you're a white dude. It's ridiculous pandering to diversity without requiring people to put in the time and training like other groups. The person I know that rocketed up to a position like that also came from an UMC family - her dad was a professor and mom was a physician. As if she came from an underprivileged household my behind. My mom was a social worker for the state making $31k per year and my dad was a mechanic making $45k per year. I guess I had more privilege though growing up in a very blue collar home than a minority person who grew up in a 6 figure income household.

Asian men also face the same discrimination, as was revealed by the google lawsuits. This is why China and Asia will be much better in the future when it comes to innovation and GDP growth - they hire the best people possible and don't care about diversity crap. I've even seriously considered moving East to take my skills elsewhere where aptitude and skills are rewarded, and people don't get promoted for identity issues. Plenty of opportunities exist in China, Singapore, and Korea these days. The vast majority of economic growth will be in Asia in 21st century anyway as they blow away the US.

Do you really think people with options will choose to immigrate to a totalitarian country that has no problem imprisoning foreigners on a political whim that randomly ruins powerful people for speaking ill of leadership? Good luck with that

Spoken like someone who doesn't work in science. You'd be very, very surprised at how much China is currently sniping talent away from the US. They're offering people sometimes over $1M USD to come and open up labs. Biotech is blowing up in China. But keep sticking your head in the sand. China's GDP will be double the size of the US' by about 2050. Everything is moving east, and it'll only get worse as Eastern economies focus on hiring talent, while the US and the west are stuck on hiring people for identity.

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Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

Why cant you son look to female role models? Girls have had to look to male role models for years! My nephew an avid skier just wanted a famous woman skier because that is his role model! If you are showing him old stuff he will get thr ideas that only white men can do stuff and save the day.

Your son wont break if he is shown women or POC as lead actors!

I hate when someone says it had "swung too far the other way" where we were you when yhe great white male way was the only way?

My child was not here then obviously and that is what matters. He has all female teachers, 3 woman drs, two female karate instructors. I want him to have male role models too and maybe I’m in some bubble, but not seeing modern masculine role models for him in media.

Interesting that you feel that way. How old is your son? When I look at the media my kids enjoy, I still see a lot of male characters and role models - Dragon Prince (2 brothers as lead characters), Gravity Falls, Avatar - The Last Airbender, Gortimer Gibbons, the new Just Add Magic - Mystery City, and on and on.

I’m going to check out these shows for him. Thanks

You absolutely must be a troll. Staring with Caillou, Sesame Street and Bob the builder the VAST majority of kids TV shows are about male characters. That's why Dora and Doc McStuffins were f-ing groundbreaking. Why do we indulge this shit.

Totally not a troll. My kid is older and that’s what I’m looking for.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be nice if I could tune in to NPR and just once -- -once -- hear a white male announcer. Usually it is a female with a foreign accent that I can't understand. And the topic is typically how white men are the root of all evil in the world.

No, it's not.

~Daily listener.

See, this is why I can't take the "poor white men" folks seriously. First of all, there are *plenty* of white men working at NPR. But second of all, there's this side-serving of racism/sexism that PP just can't help but throw into the totally factually inaccurate rant.

+1. Ari Shapiro, anyone? The guy on the evening rush hour business show? Wait Wait Don't Tell Me on the weekends?

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Anonymous wrote:It would be nice if I could tune in to NPR and just once -- -once -- hear a white male announcer. Usually it is a female with a foreign accent that I can't understand. And the topic is typically how white men are the root of all evil in the world.

No, it's not.

~Daily listener.

See, this is why I can't take the "poor white men" folks seriously. First of all, there are *plenty* of white men working at NPR. But second of all, there's this side-serving of racism/sexism that PP just can't help but throw into the totally factually inaccurate rant.

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Anonymous wrote:Female here I can’t speak to other things but I can definitely say my young son is not seeing boys on tv being role models. Everything is geared toward girls now. Characters being changed to female all the time. It’s ridiculous to swing so far to the other side so all I can show my son is old tv shows or movies with a boy lead.

Why cant you son look to female role models? Girls have had to look to male role models for years! My nephew an avid skier just wanted a famous woman skier because that is his role model! If you are showing him old stuff he will get thr ideas that only white men can do stuff and save the day.

Your son wont break if he is shown women or POC as lead actors!

I hate when someone says it had "swung too far the other way" where we were you when yhe great white male way was the only way?

My child was not here then obviously and that is what matters. He has all female teachers, 3 woman drs, two female karate instructors. I want him to have male role models too and maybe I’m in some bubble, but not seeing modern masculine role models for him in media.

Interesting that you feel that way. How old is your son? When I look at the media my kids enjoy, I still see a lot of male characters and role models - Dragon Prince (2 brothers as lead characters), Gravity Falls, Avatar - The Last Airbender, Gortimer Gibbons, the new Just Add Magic - Mystery City, and on and on.

I’m going to check out these shows for him. Thanks

You absolutely must be a troll. Staring with Caillou, Sesame Street and Bob the builder the VAST majority of kids TV shows are about male characters. That's why Dora and Doc McStuffins were f-ing groundbreaking. Why do we indulge this shit.

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Anonymous wrote:The message our society is signaling to young, white males - who are ambitious and eager to succeed in their careers - is:

- white males need not apply.

This is so laughably false. Look at the board room of every major corporation, large privately held company, or Big Law partnership. It's like 80% white guys running the show.

Attain higher education/training and provide some valuable skills to the market place. You'll be fine. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.

-White Man

It’s actually not. They are all being replaced by woman without considering anything else. I do think more woman and minority representation is needed obviously, but I do think it’s going the complete opposite way.

BULLSHIT. the men I see complaining that "women are getting everything" are people who meet the minimum requirement for some job, while women and POC have always had to be twice as good or four times as good as the minimum. They're hire the guy with the BA but the woman needs a master's degree. THe guy in my academic department who is always complaining about affirmative action has not written a single book while all of the women have written at least two. Just wake up earlier and work harder. That's what the rest of us did. You white guys are just lazy.

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Anonymous wrote:It would be nice if I could tune in to NPR and just once -- -once -- hear a white male announcer. Usually it is a female with a foreign accent that I can't understand. And the topic is typically how white men are the root of all evil in the world.

No, it's not.

~Daily listener.

See, this is why I can't take the "poor white men" folks seriously. First of all, there are *plenty* of white men working at NPR. But second of all, there's this side-serving of racism/sexism that PP just can't help but throw into the totally factually inaccurate rant.

+1 Get up early and listen to Steve Inskeep, FFS

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Anonymous wrote:The message our society is signaling to young, white males - who are ambitious and eager to succeed in their careers - is:

- white males need not apply.

This is so laughably false. Look at the board room of every major corporation, large privately held company, or Big Law partnership. It's like 80% white guys running the show.

Attain higher education/training and provide some valuable skills to the market place. You'll be fine. Stop feeling sorry for yourself.

-White Man

It’s actually not. They are all being replaced by woman without considering anything else. I do think more woman and minority representation is needed obviously, but I do think it’s going the complete opposite way.