Anonymous
12/09/2020 14:15
Subject: Re:Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no need to get overly pedantic - no one is saying that each country doesn't have its own distinct culture; however, for this reductive argument, I think we are all just speaking to the genuine differences between ( The US) Western Civilization/culture, and (Asian) Eastern Civilization/culture. The U.S was founded by "Western" Europeans and the 2500 years of western philosophy that came along with it. The fact is Eastern culture is different and often diametrically opposed to the US. Don't gaslight us by decrying racism. The educational-bent in this country is that it helps you "move-up", and Asians collectively do fine and exceed most groups -including whites. [/quote}
Pat Buchanan was saying stuff like this in the 1980s.
Buchanan was the boy who cried wolf. We are just trying to deal with the inadequacies of MCPS for all students. But let's not lie and say that philosophical differences in the role and execution of public services don't matter. If you come from a place where everyone is crabs in a barrel and breeds meritocracy, without the concerns for others because you are a developing nation and their aren't that many spots, of course, you are going to feel cheated if you come to another place and play by the rules and don't "win". But that same thing breeds rampant cheating and this weird entitlement that you're kid is supposed to go to Harvard for cookie-cutter scores.
Anonymous
12/09/2020 14:15
Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not that PP but when people I know use the words "Asian culture" they often mean Asian American culture which is something kind of imposed on Asians in the United States since they are lumped together as a census category.
Yeah, and generally when people in the US refer to "European culture," they're white ethno-nationalists trying to justify anti-immigrant xenophobia.
I'm the "Asian culture" PP, when I say "Asian culture" I mean the culture in Asian countries, not the Asian American culture.
When my spouse, from Europe, says "southern European culture" vs "northern european culture" or "western european culture" vs "eastern european culture", it's not about xenophobia.
So, the culture in Kazakhstan, Singapore, Yemen, Thailand, Philippines, Bahrain, Nepal, Korea...
Could you please list some factors common to the cultures of Turkmenistan, Singapore, Yemen, Thailand, Philippines, Bahrain, Nepal, and South Korea?
Eastern asian cultures certainly have enough commonalities. Don't know about asia minor, but apparently, the Turks consider Koreans their "brothers/sisters".
Anonymous
12/09/2020 14:14
Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:
At our school there are school sponsored events that are absolutely targeted at Latino and AA families.
We have Black and Brown forums that are specifically geared to AA and Latino kids to discuss how to get into magnet programs and test-taking strategies, etc.
I would have to see if I could find past flyers for these types of events.
MCPS: These groups are vastly underrepresented in MCPS special programs at every step of the process. Let's plan some outreach that can be helpful for anyone who wants to participate.
You: Special treatment! No fair!
Anonymous
12/09/2020 14:11
Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not that PP but when people I know use the words "Asian culture" they often mean Asian American culture which is something kind of imposed on Asians in the United States since they are lumped together as a census category.
Yeah, and generally when people in the US refer to "European culture," they're white ethno-nationalists trying to justify anti-immigrant xenophobia.
I'm the "Asian culture" PP, when I say "Asian culture" I mean the culture in Asian countries, not the Asian American culture.
When my spouse, from Europe, says "southern European culture" vs "northern european culture" or "western european culture" vs "eastern european culture", it's not about xenophobia.
So, the culture in Kazakhstan, Singapore, Yemen, Thailand, Philippines, Bahrain, Nepal, Korea...
Could you please list some factors common to the cultures of Turkmenistan, Singapore, Yemen, Thailand, Philippines, Bahrain, Nepal, and South Korea?
You are right that there are differences.
Just like there are absolutely differences between my ‘practically white’ neighbor from Argentina, and my co-worker attorney from Columbia. Versus your El Salvadoran housekeeper and Guatemalan gardener.
Yet, amazingly MCPS lumps them all together as ‘Latinx’. Regardless of background.
See how ridiculous that is? How useless it is to lump kids together by race?
In other words, you agree there is no such thing as "Asian culture" or "Latin culture."
Then why does MCPS argue that is the case?
Apparently, according to MCPS, there are only four possible groups.
Asians and Whites, who are somehow privileged and do better in school. And AA and Latino families who need extra help in order to succeed.
FTR, I think it’s ridiculous and has created way more problems than necessary. But, alas, that is how MCPS leadership sees the situation in our schools.
Does MCPS give extra help to specific groups? I thought these things were need based and race played no part in it? So if an Asian family wanted free lunches it would be harder for them to qualify?
Our school does very specific Latino outreach programs. ‘Cafe con Parentes’, etc. There is very targeted outreach towards Latino parents that is sponsored by the school (not by a private organization, etc). I have never, ever seen ‘Coffee with Asian Parents’.
Anonymous
12/09/2020 14:10
Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do people from India and Pakistan agree that they share a similar culture? Narendra Modi and his Hindutva buddies are doing their best to make the point that not even everyone in India shares a similar culture.
To say nothing of the history of relations between China, Korea, and Japan.
Next you'll tell me that Turks and Armenians share a similar culture.
Yes they all share similarities in culture, history, and races. Especially when we are talking about these groups of people here in the US.
How is this even a question? I thought DCUM was eduacated.
Oh boy.
Anonymous
12/09/2020 14:10
Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not that PP but when people I know use the words "Asian culture" they often mean Asian American culture which is something kind of imposed on Asians in the United States since they are lumped together as a census category.
Yeah, and generally when people in the US refer to "European culture," they're white ethno-nationalists trying to justify anti-immigrant xenophobia.
I'm the "Asian culture" PP, when I say "Asian culture" I mean the culture in Asian countries, not the Asian American culture.
When my spouse, from Europe, says "southern European culture" vs "northern european culture" or "western european culture" vs "eastern european culture", it's not about xenophobia.
So, the culture in Kazakhstan, Singapore, Yemen, Thailand, Philippines, Bahrain, Nepal, Korea...
Could you please list some factors common to the cultures of Turkmenistan, Singapore, Yemen, Thailand, Philippines, Bahrain, Nepal, and South Korea?
You are right that there are differences.
Just like there are absolutely differences between my ‘practically white’ neighbor from Argentina, and my co-worker attorney from Columbia. Versus your El Salvadoran housekeeper and Guatemalan gardener.
Yet, amazingly MCPS lumps them all together as ‘Latinx’. Regardless of background.
See how ridiculous that is? How useless it is to lump kids together by race?
And I should add that MCPS sees all Latinx kids as ‘underrepresented’ and therefore somehow disadvantaged. Regardless of how well-educated or wealthy their parents may or may not be.
It's senseless really. Just like it's senseless for MCPS to bundle all Asian kids as privileged. It's a huge hypocrisy.
Anonymous
12/09/2020 14:07
Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Do people from India and Pakistan agree that they share a similar culture? Narendra Modi and his Hindutva buddies are doing their best to make the point that not even everyone in India shares a similar culture.
To say nothing of the history of relations between China, Korea, and Japan.
Next you'll tell me that Turks and Armenians share a similar culture.
Yes they all share similarities in culture, history, and races. Especially when we are talking about these groups of people here in the US.
How is this even a question? I thought DCUM was eduacated.
Anonymous
12/09/2020 14:06
Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not that PP but when people I know use the words "Asian culture" they often mean Asian American culture which is something kind of imposed on Asians in the United States since they are lumped together as a census category.
Yeah, and generally when people in the US refer to "European culture," they're white ethno-nationalists trying to justify anti-immigrant xenophobia.
I'm the "Asian culture" PP, when I say "Asian culture" I mean the culture in Asian countries, not the Asian American culture.
When my spouse, from Europe, says "southern European culture" vs "northern european culture" or "western european culture" vs "eastern european culture", it's not about xenophobia.
So, the culture in Kazakhstan, Singapore, Yemen, Thailand, Philippines, Bahrain, Nepal, Korea...
Could you please list some factors common to the cultures of Turkmenistan, Singapore, Yemen, Thailand, Philippines, Bahrain, Nepal, and South Korea?
You are right that there are differences.
Just like there are absolutely differences between my ‘practically white’ neighbor from Argentina, and my co-worker attorney from Columbia. Versus your El Salvadoran housekeeper and Guatemalan gardener.
Yet, amazingly MCPS lumps them all together as ‘Latinx’. Regardless of background.
See how ridiculous that is? How useless it is to lump kids together by race?
In other words, you agree there is no such thing as "Asian culture" or "Latin culture."
Then why does MCPS argue that is the case?
Apparently, according to MCPS, there are only four possible groups.
Asians and Whites, who are somehow privileged and do better in school. And AA and Latino families who need extra help in order to succeed.
FTR, I think it’s ridiculous and has created way more problems than necessary. But, alas, that is how MCPS leadership sees the situation in our schools.
Does MCPS give extra help to specific groups? I thought these things were need based and race played no part in it? So if an Asian family wanted free lunches it would be harder for them to qualify?
At our school there are school sponsored events that are absolutely targeted at Latino and AA families.
We have Black and Brown forums that are specifically geared to AA and Latino kids to discuss how to get into magnet programs and test-taking strategies, etc.
I would have to see if I could find past flyers for these types of events.
Anonymous
12/09/2020 14:03
Subject: Re:Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:There is no need to get overly pedantic - no one is saying that each country doesn't have its own distinct culture; however, for this reductive argument, I think we are all just speaking to the genuine differences between ( The US) Western Civilization/culture, and (Asian) Eastern Civilization/culture. The U.S was founded by "Western" Europeans and the 2500 years of western philosophy that came along with it. The fact is Eastern culture is different and often diametrically opposed to the US. Don't gaslight us by decrying racism. The educational-bent in this country is that it helps you "move-up", and Asians collectively do fine and exceed most groups -including whites.
Pat Buchanan was saying stuff like this in the 1980s.
Anonymous
12/09/2020 13:53
Subject: Re:Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
There is no need to get overly pedantic - no one is saying that each country doesn't have its own distinct culture; however, for this reductive argument, I think we are all just speaking to the genuine differences between ( The US) Western Civilization/culture, and (Asian) Eastern Civilization/culture. The U.S was founded by "Western" Europeans and the 2500 years of western philosophy that came along with it. The fact is Eastern culture is different and often diametrically opposed to the US. Don't gaslight us by decrying racism. The educational-bent in this country is that it helps you "move-up", and Asians collectively do fine and exceed most groups -including whites.
Anonymous
12/09/2020 13:35
Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do people from India and Pakistan agree that they share a similar culture? Narendra Modi and his Hindutva buddies are doing their best to make the point that not even everyone in India shares a similar culture.
To say nothing of the history of relations between China, Korea, and Japan.
Next you'll tell me that Turks and Armenians share a similar culture.
So silly, right?
And yet, here we are.
Well-educated families from Nigeria are automatically lumped in as ‘African-American’ and MCPS counts them the same as lower-income African-American families whose ancestors have been in the US for generations.
Surely, all AA families are not all the same?
Federal law requires MCPS to do this.
Anonymous
12/09/2020 13:34
Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
In other words, you agree there is no such thing as "Asian culture" or "Latin culture."
Then why does MCPS argue that is the case?
Apparently, according to MCPS, there are only four possible groups.
Asians and Whites, who are somehow privileged and do better in school. And AA and Latino families who need extra help in order to succeed.
FTR, I think it’s ridiculous and has created way more problems than necessary. But, alas, that is how MCPS leadership sees the situation in our schools.
Can you please show me two instances where MCPS has referred to either "Asian culture" or "Latin culture"?
Anonymous
12/09/2020 13:23
Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not that PP but when people I know use the words "Asian culture" they often mean Asian American culture which is something kind of imposed on Asians in the United States since they are lumped together as a census category.
Yeah, and generally when people in the US refer to "European culture," they're white ethno-nationalists trying to justify anti-immigrant xenophobia.
I'm the "Asian culture" PP, when I say "Asian culture" I mean the culture in Asian countries, not the Asian American culture.
When my spouse, from Europe, says "southern European culture" vs "northern european culture" or "western european culture" vs "eastern european culture", it's not about xenophobia.
So, the culture in Kazakhstan, Singapore, Yemen, Thailand, Philippines, Bahrain, Nepal, Korea...
Could you please list some factors common to the cultures of Turkmenistan, Singapore, Yemen, Thailand, Philippines, Bahrain, Nepal, and South Korea?
You are right that there are differences.
Just like there are absolutely differences between my ‘practically white’ neighbor from Argentina, and my co-worker attorney from Columbia. Versus your El Salvadoran housekeeper and Guatemalan gardener.
Yet, amazingly MCPS lumps them all together as ‘Latinx’. Regardless of background.
See how ridiculous that is? How useless it is to lump kids together by race?
In other words, you agree there is no such thing as "Asian culture" or "Latin culture."
Then why does MCPS argue that is the case?
Apparently, according to MCPS, there are only four possible groups.
Asians and Whites, who are somehow privileged and do better in school. And AA and Latino families who need extra help in order to succeed.
FTR, I think it’s ridiculous and has created way more problems than necessary. But, alas, that is how MCPS leadership sees the situation in our schools.
Does MCPS give extra help to specific groups? I thought these things were need based and race played no part in it? So if an Asian family wanted free lunches it would be harder for them to qualify?
Anonymous
12/09/2020 13:19
Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not that PP but when people I know use the words "Asian culture" they often mean Asian American culture which is something kind of imposed on Asians in the United States since they are lumped together as a census category.
Yeah, and generally when people in the US refer to "European culture," they're white ethno-nationalists trying to justify anti-immigrant xenophobia.
I'm the "Asian culture" PP, when I say "Asian culture" I mean the culture in Asian countries, not the Asian American culture.
When my spouse, from Europe, says "southern European culture" vs "northern european culture" or "western european culture" vs "eastern european culture", it's not about xenophobia.
So, the culture in Kazakhstan, Singapore, Yemen, Thailand, Philippines, Bahrain, Nepal, Korea...
Could you please list some factors common to the cultures of Turkmenistan, Singapore, Yemen, Thailand, Philippines, Bahrain, Nepal, and South Korea?
You are right that there are differences.
Just like there are absolutely differences between my ‘practically white’ neighbor from Argentina, and my co-worker attorney from Columbia. Versus your El Salvadoran housekeeper and Guatemalan gardener.
Yet, amazingly MCPS lumps them all together as ‘Latinx’. Regardless of background.
See how ridiculous that is? How useless it is to lump kids together by race?
In other words, you agree there is no such thing as "Asian culture" or "Latin culture."
Then why does MCPS argue that is the case?
Apparently, according to MCPS, there are only four possible groups.
Asians and Whites, who are somehow privileged and do better in school. And AA and Latino families who need extra help in order to succeed.
FTR, I think it’s ridiculous and has created way more problems than necessary. But, alas, that is how MCPS leadership sees the situation in our schools.
Anonymous
12/09/2020 13:16
Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Do people from India and Pakistan agree that they share a similar culture? Narendra Modi and his Hindutva buddies are doing their best to make the point that not even everyone in India shares a similar culture.
To say nothing of the history of relations between China, Korea, and Japan.
Next you'll tell me that Turks and Armenians share a similar culture.
So silly, right?
And yet, here we are.
Well-educated families from Nigeria are automatically lumped in as ‘African-American’ and MCPS counts them the same as lower-income African-American families whose ancestors have been in the US for generations.
Surely, all AA families are not all the same?