RantingSoccerDad wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not in any way defending this coach. It sounds like he's horrible. Even so - every club has good coaches and bad coaches. I wouldn't write a whole club off because of the antics of a single coach - unless you know he would be your DS' coach next year. Find out who would be coaching your son's team next year at each of the clubs you are considering and watch that coach's teams play. Make your decision based on that coach - not some other coach.

I hear what you're saying but --- it was so bad that one has to interpret this coach's behavior as being implicitly sanctioned by the SYC club. Which tells me that SYC is not a club I would ever consider for my (several) soccer-playing children. But hey, I guess some parents don't mind, or have weighed that negative against what they see as other positives about the club. I just know that I could never allow my boys to be subjected to that kind of abusive behavior (while winning handily!) ... and I'm probably one of the toughest parents when it comes to not treating my children with kid gloves.

This wasn't just pointing out mistakes or even demanding perfection -- all of that I support. My kids' teams have been on the winning side of huge blowouts in other games, and I've seen and appreciated our coach continuing to "coach" the boys from the sidelines, yelling instructions or corrections or challenging the kids to put in more effort. But man, this was something else; the loud, angry, ugly way that every single thing he had to say to his own team was communicated was disturbing. I could easily see it turning young players off from the game.

You are either doing a false narrative, or your own projection. Again you have no idea what their environment is like, at the same time you also have no idea what the relationship is like from the coach to players, players to players, coach to parents, players the parents, etc. but I can do the same exact thing, here we go:

Oh wow my U-littles son just won with SYC but wow the other coach. He doesn’t care about competitive nature of the game. Coaching the system too much, not adapting. I was like “ayyy this isn’t practice papi”. Seriously crossing them off my list.

I have previously complained about other coaches doing ZERO COACHING from the sidelines -- not yelling anything, good or bad, positive or negative, or any instructions to the players. I don't like that end of the spectrum, either. I want to see coaching -- including giving instructions and organization and reminders to the players. I want to see coaches challenging their players to play better (because you can always play better, even when you're winning big) -- I want every game to be a learning opportunity, especially for an 8 year old. But there's a positive, or even a mildly negative way to do that ... and then there's what I saw from the SYC U9 coach, which was entirely different.

I was AR in a game recently in which I wished I had earplugs because the McLean coach was constantly yelling. About 80% negative, 18% joystick coaching, 2% positive.

I could actually see a creative player getting more timid over the course of the game. It was terrible.

(BTW -- I'm ending my part in the hijacking over Spurs. I've made my point and sufficiently refuted the notion that they're somehow not "elite." No need to continue the conversation while someone tries to excuse a misstatement by wildly moving the goalposts. Go Liverpool.)

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RantingSoccerDad wrote:

I was AR in a game recently in which I wished I had earplugs because the McLean coach was constantly yelling. About 80% negative, 18% joystick coaching, 2% positive.

I could actually see a creative player getting more timid over the course of the game. It was terrible.

(BTW -- I'm ending my part in the hijacking over Spurs. I've made my point and sufficiently refuted the notion that they're somehow not "elite." No need to continue the conversation while someone tries to excuse a misstatement by wildly moving the goalposts. Go Liverpool.)

I was a PP but did not move the goalposts to focus on trophies. Your analysis showed their recent history before this season still placed them outside the top four, which I would consider outside the elite of the EPL. You also began this by citing their place atop the standings nine matches into the season as your evidence they are elite. So let's not get carried away with those who move the goalposts, when you shifted your evidentiary basis from the first nine games of this year to the last eleven years of finishes, which has them remaining outside the top four.

11 years, head-to-head against other teams: Fifth place, ahead of Liverpool

11 years, average finish: Tied for fourth, again ahead of Liverpool (Bear in mind -- I love Liverpool.)

5 years, head-to-head: Third place, ahead of Manchester United and Liverpool

5 years, average finish: Second place

I only mentioned the first nine games of this season for the irony. But someone's so determined to prove me "wrong."

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Anonymous wrote:To the fake parent complaining about “coach berating U-littles”:
I don’t believe you.

I’m not saying that the coach wasn’t loud or demanding of his players, but I don’t think you are representing the situation at all in any fair manner.

I frankly don't care if you believe me or not. I'm putting my view out there and conveying what I witnessed. For the record, none of the other coaches in this age group at the tournament displayed anything like this behavior (VYS, McClean, and Alexandria all fielded teams at this tournament), nor did any team that we played the entire fall season -- too many teams to list.

This isn't sour grapes because my son's team lost, nor do I have anything personal against SYC or their coach -- I don't know anything about that other than the game I just witnessed. But our team played the vaunted "Bethesda" team a few weeks ago and got whooped, and I didn't see or hear anything from the Bethesda U9 coach that was so angry or unsettling.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not in any way defending this coach. It sounds like he's horrible. Even so - every club has good coaches and bad coaches. I wouldn't write a whole club off because of the antics of a single coach - unless you know he would be your DS' coach next year. Find out who would be coaching your son's team next year at each of the clubs you are considering and watch that coach's teams play. Make your decision based on that coach - not some other coach.

I hear what you're saying but --- it was so bad that one has to interpret this coach's behavior as being implicitly sanctioned by the SYC club. Which tells me that SYC is not a club I would ever consider for my (several) soccer-playing children. But hey, I guess some parents don't mind, or have weighed that negative against what they see as other positives about the club. I just know that I could never allow my boys to be subjected to that kind of abusive behavior (while winning handily!) ... and I'm probably one of the toughest parents when it comes to not treating my children with kid gloves.

This wasn't just pointing out mistakes or even demanding perfection -- all of that I support. My kids' teams have been on the winning side of huge blowouts in other games, and I've seen and appreciated our coach continuing to "coach" the boys from the sidelines, yelling instructions or corrections or challenging the kids to put in more effort. But man, this was something else; the loud, angry, ugly way that every single thing he had to say to his own team was communicated was disturbing. I could easily see it turning young players off from the game.

You are either doing a false narrative, or your own projection. Again you have no idea what their environment is like, at the same time you also have no idea what the relationship is like from the coach to players, players to players, coach to parents, players the parents, etc. but I can do the same exact thing, here we go:

Oh wow my U-littles son just won with SYC but wow the other coach. He doesn’t care about competitive nature of the game. Coaching the system too much, not adapting. I was like “ayyy this isn’t practice papi”. Seriously crossing them off my list.

I have previously complained about other coaches doing ZERO COACHING from the sidelines -- not yelling anything, good or bad, positive or negative, or any instructions to the players. I don't like that end of the spectrum, either. I want to see coaching -- including giving instructions and organization and reminders to the players. I want to see coaches challenging their players to play better (because you can always play better, even when you're winning big) -- I want every game to be a learning opportunity, especially for an 8 year old. But there's a positive, or even a mildly negative way to do that ... and then there's what I saw from the SYC U9 coach, which was entirely different.

I was AR in a game recently in which I wished I had earplugs because the McLean coach was constantly yelling. About 80% negative, 18% joystick coaching, 2% positive.

I could actually see a creative player getting more timid over the course of the game. It was terrible.

(BTW -- I'm ending my part in the hijacking over Spurs. I've made my point and sufficiently refuted the notion that they're somehow not "elite." No need to continue the conversation while someone tries to excuse a misstatement by wildly moving the goalposts. Go Liverpool.)

Anonymous wrote:To the fake parent complaining about “coach berating U-littles”:
I don’t believe you.

I’m not saying that the coach wasn’t loud or demanding of his players, but I don’t think you are representing the situation at all in any fair manner.

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RantingSoccerDad wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:LoOk aT tHaT pOsSeSsiOn oMG!!

https://www.fotmob.com/livescores/3411437?status=finished

I went to the new stadium before lockdown to see them play Chelsea live, I know Tottenham, and believe me, SYC is no Tottenham, other than the fact that neither is in the elite tier of their respective leagues. Move and embarrass you and your club no further.

So make your case that Tottenham isn't in the "elite tier" of the EPL.

The stats to the contrary: Over the last 11 years, the following clubs are the *only* clubs to finish ahead of Spurs even once:

Chelsea: 8 times
Manchester City: 8 times
Arsenal: 7 times, none in the last 4
Manchester United: 7 times, less frequently since Fergie retired
Liverpool: 3 times
Leicester: 2 times
Everton: 1 time

The average league position of these clubs:

Manchester City: 2.27
Manchester United: 3.55
Chelsea: 3.55
Tottenham: 4.27
Arsenal: 4.27
Liverpool: 5.00
Leicester: 8.33 (since promotion)

Same test, past *five* years:

Chelsea: 3 times
Manchester City: 3 times
Manchester United: 2 times
Liverpool: 2 times
Leicester: 2 times
Arsenal: 1 time
Everton: 0 times

Average league position over the past five years:

Manchester City: 2.2
Tottenham: 3.6
Liverpool: 3.8
Manchester United: 4.4
Chelsea: 4.6
Arsenal: 5.2
Leicester: 7.2
Everton: 9.2

So in the early 2010s, Spurs would rank roughly fifth behind Chelsea, Arsenal and the Manchester clubs.

In the late 2010s, only Manchester City has a definitive case for being better. Over the last two years, add Liverpool.

By any measure, they're in the top five in the deepest professional league (maybe second-deepest, depending on how you rate Spain) in the world.

Don't be ridiculous:

There's only one measure of whether a team is elite or not - it's silverware. Specifically premier league titles and european chamionships, with a half point thrown in for an FA cup.

Years since Spurs last won an EPL: infinity (they last won the English first division 60 years ago)
Years since Spurs last won a European Championship: infinity
Years since Spurs last won an FA cup: 30

They haven't won a thing in the last thirty years. They're an also ran - behind every single one of the clubs you mentioned and many others. Losers from start to finish.

Just like SYC then.

U18 boys literally just won State Cup

Yeah but U18s doesn't count. Because of the split birth year, there are essentially two competitions for the same age group: U18 and U19. Most clubs play their first team in U19 and their second team in the U18 competition. So you should only count U15, U16, U17 and U19 state cups. Sorry - nice try but no cigar.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not in any way defending this coach. It sounds like he's horrible. Even so - every club has good coaches and bad coaches. I wouldn't write a whole club off because of the antics of a single coach - unless you know he would be your DS' coach next year. Find out who would be coaching your son's team next year at each of the clubs you are considering and watch that coach's teams play. Make your decision based on that coach - not some other coach.

I hear what you're saying but --- it was so bad that one has to interpret this coach's behavior as being implicitly sanctioned by the SYC club. Which tells me that SYC is not a club I would ever consider for my (several) soccer-playing children. But hey, I guess some parents don't mind, or have weighed that negative against what they see as other positives about the club. I just know that I could never allow my boys to be subjected to that kind of abusive behavior (while winning handily!) ... and I'm probably one of the toughest parents when it comes to not treating my children with kid gloves.

This wasn't just pointing out mistakes or even demanding perfection -- all of that I support. My kids' teams have been on the winning side of huge blowouts in other games, and I've seen and appreciated our coach continuing to "coach" the boys from the sidelines, yelling instructions or corrections or challenging the kids to put in more effort. But man, this was something else; the loud, angry, ugly way that every single thing he had to say to his own team was communicated was disturbing. I could easily see it turning young players off from the game.

You are either doing a false narrative, or your own projection. Again you have no idea what their environment is like, at the same time you also have no idea what the relationship is like from the coach to players, players to players, coach to parents, players the parents, etc. but I can do the same exact thing, here we go:

Oh wow my U-littles son just won with SYC but wow the other coach. He doesn’t care about competitive nature of the game. Coaching the system too much, not adapting. I was like “ayyy this isn’t practice papi”. Seriously crossing them off my list.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LoOk aT tHaT pOsSeSsiOn oMG!!

https://www.fotmob.com/livescores/3411437?status=finished

I went to the new stadium before lockdown to see them play Chelsea live, I know Tottenham, and believe me, SYC is no Tottenham, other than the fact that neither is in the elite tier of their respective leagues. Move and embarrass you and your club no further.

So make your case that Tottenham isn't in the "elite tier" of the EPL.

The stats to the contrary: Over the last 11 years, the following clubs are the *only* clubs to finish ahead of Spurs even once:

Chelsea: 8 times
Manchester City: 8 times
Arsenal: 7 times, none in the last 4
Manchester United: 7 times, less frequently since Fergie retired
Liverpool: 3 times
Leicester: 2 times
Everton: 1 time

The average league position of these clubs:

Manchester City: 2.27
Manchester United: 3.55
Chelsea: 3.55
Tottenham: 4.27
Arsenal: 4.27
Liverpool: 5.00
Leicester: 8.33 (since promotion)

Same test, past *five* years:

Chelsea: 3 times
Manchester City: 3 times
Manchester United: 2 times
Liverpool: 2 times
Leicester: 2 times
Arsenal: 1 time
Everton: 0 times

Average league position over the past five years:

Manchester City: 2.2
Tottenham: 3.6
Liverpool: 3.8
Manchester United: 4.4
Chelsea: 4.6
Arsenal: 5.2
Leicester: 7.2
Everton: 9.2

So in the early 2010s, Spurs would rank roughly fifth behind Chelsea, Arsenal and the Manchester clubs.

In the late 2010s, only Manchester City has a definitive case for being better. Over the last two years, add Liverpool.

By any measure, they're in the top five in the deepest professional league (maybe second-deepest, depending on how you rate Spain) in the world.

Don't be ridiculous:

There's only one measure of whether a team is elite or not - it's silverware. Specifically premier league titles and european chamionships, with a half point thrown in for an FA cup.

Years since Spurs last won an EPL: infinity (they last won the English first division 60 years ago)
Years since Spurs last won a European Championship: infinity
Years since Spurs last won an FA cup: 30

They haven't won a thing in the last thirty years. They're an also ran - behind every single one of the clubs you mentioned and many others. Losers from start to finish.

Just like SYC then.

U18 boys literally just won State Cup

Anonymous wrote:You should check out the social media posts of kids smiling with their coach. Don’t judge a book by its cover, you have no idea what their environment is like.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not in any way defending this coach. It sounds like he's horrible. Even so - every club has good coaches and bad coaches. I wouldn't write a whole club off because of the antics of a single coach - unless you know he would be your DS' coach next year. Find out who would be coaching your son's team next year at each of the clubs you are considering and watch that coach's teams play. Make your decision based on that coach - not some other coach.

I hear what you're saying but --- it was so bad that one has to interpret this coach's behavior as being implicitly sanctioned by the SYC club. Which tells me that SYC is not a club I would ever consider for my (several) soccer-playing children. But hey, I guess some parents don't mind, or have weighed that negative against what they see as other positives about the club. I just know that I could never allow my boys to be subjected to that kind of abusive behavior (while winning handily!) ... and I'm probably one of the toughest parents when it comes to not treating my children with kid gloves.

This wasn't just pointing out mistakes or even demanding perfection -- all of that I support. My kids' teams have been on the winning side of huge blowouts in other games, and I've seen and appreciated our coach continuing to "coach" the boys from the sidelines, yelling instructions or corrections or challenging the kids to put in more effort. But man, this was something else; the loud, angry, ugly way that every single thing he had to say to his own team was communicated was disturbing. I could easily see it turning young players off from the game.

You are either doing a false narrative, or your own projection. Again you have no idea what their environment is like, at the same time you also have no idea what the relationship is like from the coach to players, players to players, coach to parents, players the parents, etc. but I can do the same exact thing, here we go:

Oh wow my U-littles son just won with SYC but wow the other coach. He doesn’t care about competitive nature of the game. Coaching the system too much, not adapting. I was like “ayyy this isn’t practice papi”. Seriously crossing them off my list.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not in any way defending this coach. It sounds like he's horrible. Even so - every club has good coaches and bad coaches. I wouldn't write a whole club off because of the antics of a single coach - unless you know he would be your DS' coach next year. Find out who would be coaching your son's team next year at each of the clubs you are considering and watch that coach's teams play. Make your decision based on that coach - not some other coach.

I hear what you're saying but --- it was so bad that one has to interpret this coach's behavior as being implicitly sanctioned by the SYC club. Which tells me that SYC is not a club I would ever consider for my (several) soccer-playing children. But hey, I guess some parents don't mind, or have weighed that negative against what they see as other positives about the club. I just know that I could never allow my boys to be subjected to that kind of abusive behavior (while winning handily!) ... and I'm probably one of the toughest parents when it comes to not treating my children with kid gloves.

This wasn't just pointing out mistakes or even demanding perfection -- all of that I support. My kids' teams have been on the winning side of huge blowouts in other games, and I've seen and appreciated our coach continuing to "coach" the boys from the sidelines, yelling instructions or corrections or challenging the kids to put in more effort. But man, this was something else; the loud, angry, ugly way that every single thing he had to say to his own team was communicated was disturbing. I could easily see it turning young players off from the game.

Anonymous wrote:My son's U-little team player against SYC in the Capital Cup tournament this past weekend.

I was impressed by the SYC players' physicality -- they clearly had been drilled on how to use their arms/bodies to push the other players away. There were some flagrant fouls, but I attribute that to the boys just not putting into practice correctly what they've been taught -- not to malice or bad sportsmanship.

Whether those types of skills -- blocking and pushing and the rougher physical aspects of the game -- are whether the focus should be at U-little or not, I can't say. They don't seem like particularly technical skills to learn, and I'd rather my boys learn ball control and positioning/passing skills, but I certainly can't argue that getting those rougher skills down early doesn't yield results: SYC beat us and every other team pretty handily.

We've lost to better teams, and we've lost to worst teams, and I don't take it too seriously with U-littles. However, I must add that the U9 coach for SYC was the most obnoxious coach I've ever seen in years of having my children play U-little. Constant, non-stop berating of his players for The. Entire. Game. I mean, his team was winning by 5 goals and they're playing well (obviously) but literally the entire game, the SYC coach was angrily screaming at his players, full-throated bloviating yelling and screaming about any single little lost 50-50 ball, or any successful move or passing by the other team.

I have never in my life seen such an angry, unpleasant coach for such little kids. Again, he wasn't yelling at the ref or at the other team ... he was berating his own (very successful) players for any little perceived mistake. It was embarrassing and borderline abusive, in my opinion.

It's a shame, because we have been considering other clubs in the area, but SYC is firmly crossed off of our list due to their U9 coach. There's no way I would want my 8 year old subjected to that kind of aggression and anger -- heaven help those boys when they are actually in a close game or on the losing side. Really not a good look, SYC. These kids are 8 years old.

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Anonymous wrote:

RantingSoccerDad wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LoOk aT tHaT pOsSeSsiOn oMG!!

https://www.fotmob.com/livescores/3411437?status=finished

I went to the new stadium before lockdown to see them play Chelsea live, I know Tottenham, and believe me, SYC is no Tottenham, other than the fact that neither is in the elite tier of their respective leagues. Move and embarrass you and your club no further.

So make your case that Tottenham isn't in the "elite tier" of the EPL.

The stats to the contrary: Over the last 11 years, the following clubs are the *only* clubs to finish ahead of Spurs even once:

Chelsea: 8 times
Manchester City: 8 times
Arsenal: 7 times, none in the last 4
Manchester United: 7 times, less frequently since Fergie retired
Liverpool: 3 times
Leicester: 2 times
Everton: 1 time

The average league position of these clubs:

Manchester City: 2.27
Manchester United: 3.55
Chelsea: 3.55
Tottenham: 4.27
Arsenal: 4.27
Liverpool: 5.00
Leicester: 8.33 (since promotion)

Same test, past *five* years:

Chelsea: 3 times
Manchester City: 3 times
Manchester United: 2 times
Liverpool: 2 times
Leicester: 2 times
Arsenal: 1 time
Everton: 0 times

Average league position over the past five years:

Manchester City: 2.2
Tottenham: 3.6
Liverpool: 3.8
Manchester United: 4.4
Chelsea: 4.6
Arsenal: 5.2
Leicester: 7.2
Everton: 9.2

So in the early 2010s, Spurs would rank roughly fifth behind Chelsea, Arsenal and the Manchester clubs.

In the late 2010s, only Manchester City has a definitive case for being better. Over the last two years, add Liverpool.

By any measure, they're in the top five in the deepest professional league (maybe second-deepest, depending on how you rate Spain) in the world.

Don't be ridiculous:

There's only one measure of whether a team is elite or not - it's silverware. Specifically premier league titles and european chamionships, with a half point thrown in for an FA cup.

Years since Spurs last won an EPL: infinity (they last won the English first division 60 years ago)
Years since Spurs last won a European Championship: infinity
Years since Spurs last won an FA cup: 30

They haven't won a thing in the last thirty years. They're an also ran - behind every single one of the clubs you mentioned and many others. Losers from start to finish.

Just like SYC then.