Anonymous
10/09/2020 17:05
Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Well since like 99.1 % of people who get COVID are fine, it's likely they will be too. Plenty of offices are open, as is retail.
This may be valid, if you define "fine" as "not dead."
It is valid.
What about the long term health ramifications?
Anonymous
10/09/2020 16:36
Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
To play devils advocate, what is the incentive for MCPS to put out a reopening plan given that what you said is true- i.e., it could be years before the county meets those numbers? I 100% agree that Elrich/Gayles are putting a goal out there that does not make sense, but MCPS surely recognizes this as well and as such is in no hurry to come up with a plan.
Yeah. Ok. But I guess my bigger objection then is for someone (ANYONE) in a position of authority to show a little backbone here.
You're right; they have no incentive to talk about re-opening when they know they can't meet those numbers.
But Smith is supposed to be a leader in the community. It would be nice if he showed a little courage and stood up for the people that he is supposed to be servicing (i.e the students)
Given the blowback proponents of DL are getting from everyone from President Trump to Gov. Hogan to you, one could argue that it takes more courage for Elrich/Gayles/Smith to rule out in-person instruction right now than it would to start it back up in some fashion.
I agree. It's tough to fight Trump and his Russian allies.
I really feel like MCPS would approach things differently if we had a Democrat Governor and/or President -- even if we had the exact same virus rate.
But, because Republicans have been more in favor of opening things up, this has become wrapped up in partisan politics and allowing things to open would be viewed as giving in to the Republicans.
You are correct. We were well on our way towards a hybrid approach over the summer.
Then, Trump and DeVos had a press conference about how all schools should re-open. The teachers union and the board heard that press conference and had an immediate change of heart.
It's a purely emotional reaction to the president that kept our kids home. Nothing based in fact or science.
Honestly, I think if the President came out today and said "ya know what, keep your kids home. it's too dangerous", our board would react with "you can't tell us what to do! we're going to open"
And are you an actual scientist? your post does not indicate that at all. There are reasons to keep kids home right now. not saying it's easy.
There are reasons to keep them closed. And there are good reasons to open them. There is no easy answer. While people associate Republicans with wanting to open things, there are many Democratic led states and municipalities that have opened up more than we have with comparable numbers. Because of this, I actually think Hogan being Governor plays a bigger role than Trump.
Hogan and Elrich clearly don't like each other and I think Hogan being Governor makes Elrich less willing to open that he would be otherwise.
Anonymous
10/09/2020 16:35
Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
To play devils advocate, what is the incentive for MCPS to put out a reopening plan given that what you said is true- i.e., it could be years before the county meets those numbers? I 100% agree that Elrich/Gayles are putting a goal out there that does not make sense, but MCPS surely recognizes this as well and as such is in no hurry to come up with a plan.
Yeah. Ok. But I guess my bigger objection then is for someone (ANYONE) in a position of authority to show a little backbone here.
You're right; they have no incentive to talk about re-opening when they know they can't meet those numbers.
But Smith is supposed to be a leader in the community. It would be nice if he showed a little courage and stood up for the people that he is supposed to be servicing (i.e the students)
Given the blowback proponents of DL are getting from everyone from President Trump to Gov. Hogan to you, one could argue that it takes more courage for Elrich/Gayles/Smith to rule out in-person instruction right now than it would to start it back up in some fashion.
I agree. It's tough to fight Trump and his Russian allies.
I really feel like MCPS would approach things differently if we had a Democrat Governor and/or President -- even if we had the exact same virus rate.
But, because Republicans have been more in favor of opening things up, this has become wrapped up in partisan politics and allowing things to open would be viewed as giving in to the Republicans.
You are correct. We were well on our way towards a hybrid approach over the summer.
Then, Trump and DeVos had a press conference about how all schools should re-open. The teachers union and the board heard that press conference and had an immediate change of heart.
It's a purely emotional reaction to the president that kept our kids home. Nothing based in fact or science.
Honestly, I think if the President came out today and said "ya know what, keep your kids home. it's too dangerous", our board would react with "you can't tell us what to do! we're going to open"
And are you an actual scientist? your post does not indicate that at all. There are reasons to keep kids home right now. not saying it's easy.
Likely just another troll , but it is kind of funny reading all these crazy justifications for reopening schools in the midst of a pandemic where the US is the world epicenter.
Anonymous
10/09/2020 16:34
Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
To play devils advocate, what is the incentive for MCPS to put out a reopening plan given that what you said is true- i.e., it could be years before the county meets those numbers? I 100% agree that Elrich/Gayles are putting a goal out there that does not make sense, but MCPS surely recognizes this as well and as such is in no hurry to come up with a plan.
Yeah. Ok. But I guess my bigger objection then is for someone (ANYONE) in a position of authority to show a little backbone here.
You're right; they have no incentive to talk about re-opening when they know they can't meet those numbers.
But Smith is supposed to be a leader in the community. It would be nice if he showed a little courage and stood up for the people that he is supposed to be servicing (i.e the students)
Given the blowback proponents of DL are getting from everyone from President Trump to Gov. Hogan to you, one could argue that it takes more courage for Elrich/Gayles/Smith to rule out in-person instruction right now than it would to start it back up in some fashion.
I agree. It's tough to fight Trump and his Russian allies.
I really feel like MCPS would approach things differently if we had a Democrat Governor and/or President -- even if we had the exact same virus rate.
But, because Republicans have been more in favor of opening things up, this has become wrapped up in partisan politics and allowing things to open would be viewed as giving in to the Republicans.
You are correct. We were well on our way towards a hybrid approach over the summer.
Then, Trump and DeVos had a press conference about how all schools should re-open. The teachers union and the board heard that press conference and had an immediate change of heart.
It's a purely emotional reaction to the president that kept our kids home. Nothing based in fact or science.
Honestly, I think if the President came out today and said "ya know what, keep your kids home. it's too dangerous", our board would react with "you can't tell us what to do! we're going to open"
And are you an actual scientist? your post does not indicate that at all. There are reasons to keep kids home right now. not saying it's easy.
No, I'm not a scientist. But then again, i didn't say anything scientific either? just a timeline of events.
and in regards to science, science says the risk to kids is low. science also says the risk of isolation is high. SCIENCE!
Anonymous
10/09/2020 16:34
Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
To play devils advocate, what is the incentive for MCPS to put out a reopening plan given that what you said is true- i.e., it could be years before the county meets those numbers? I 100% agree that Elrich/Gayles are putting a goal out there that does not make sense, but MCPS surely recognizes this as well and as such is in no hurry to come up with a plan.
Yeah. Ok. But I guess my bigger objection then is for someone (ANYONE) in a position of authority to show a little backbone here.
You're right; they have no incentive to talk about re-opening when they know they can't meet those numbers.
But Smith is supposed to be a leader in the community. It would be nice if he showed a little courage and stood up for the people that he is supposed to be servicing (i.e the students)
Given the blowback proponents of DL are getting from everyone from President Trump to Gov. Hogan to you, one could argue that it takes more courage for Elrich/Gayles/Smith to rule out in-person instruction right now than it would to start it back up in some fashion.
I agree. It's tough to fight Trump and his Russian allies.
I really feel like MCPS would approach things differently if we had a Democrat Governor and/or President -- even if we had the exact same virus rate.
But, because Republicans have been more in favor of opening things up, this has become wrapped up in partisan politics and allowing things to open would be viewed as giving in to the Republicans.
You are correct. We were well on our way towards a hybrid approach over the summer.
Then, Trump and DeVos had a press conference about how all schools should re-open. The teachers union and the board heard that press conference and had an immediate change of heart.
It's a purely emotional reaction to the president that kept our kids home. Nothing based in fact or science.
Honestly, I think if the President came out today and said "ya know what, keep your kids home. it's too dangerous", our board would react with "you can't tell us what to do! we're going to open"
I've been saying this from the beginning. If Trump said "it's too dangerous, close all the schools!" MCPS would be open, without a doubt.
Anonymous
10/09/2020 16:33
Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
To play devils advocate, what is the incentive for MCPS to put out a reopening plan given that what you said is true- i.e., it could be years before the county meets those numbers? I 100% agree that Elrich/Gayles are putting a goal out there that does not make sense, but MCPS surely recognizes this as well and as such is in no hurry to come up with a plan.
Yeah. Ok. But I guess my bigger objection then is for someone (ANYONE) in a position of authority to show a little backbone here.
You're right; they have no incentive to talk about re-opening when they know they can't meet those numbers.
But Smith is supposed to be a leader in the community. It would be nice if he showed a little courage and stood up for the people that he is supposed to be servicing (i.e the students)
Given the blowback proponents of DL are getting from everyone from President Trump to Gov. Hogan to you, one could argue that it takes more courage for Elrich/Gayles/Smith to rule out in-person instruction right now than it would to start it back up in some fashion.
I agree. It's tough to fight Trump and his Russian allies.
I really feel like MCPS would approach things differently if we had a Democrat Governor and/or President -- even if we had the exact same virus rate.
But, because Republicans have been more in favor of opening things up, this has become wrapped up in partisan politics and allowing things to open would be viewed as giving in to the Republicans.
You are correct. We were well on our way towards a hybrid approach over the summer.
Then, Trump and DeVos had a press conference about how all schools should re-open. The teachers union and the board heard that press conference and had an immediate change of heart.
It's a purely emotional reaction to the president that kept our kids home. Nothing based in fact or science.
Honestly, I think if the President came out today and said "ya know what, keep your kids home. it's too dangerous", our board would react with "you can't tell us what to do! we're going to open"
And are you an actual scientist? your post does not indicate that at all. There are reasons to keep kids home right now. not saying it's easy.
Anonymous
10/09/2020 16:32
Subject: We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
If you want us to go back, get our excuse of a predident to lead this country and stop hosting events in the WH. There's another one planned for Saturday. Moe spread.
Anonymous
10/09/2020 16:15
Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:
No politician cares about people. The sooner you realize that, the better.
That's the kind of statement people make when they're trying to discourage other people from voting or otherwise participating in civic actions.
Anonymous
10/09/2020 16:14
Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Well since like 99.1 % of people who get COVID are fine, it's likely they will be too. Plenty of offices are open, as is retail.
This may be valid, if you define "fine" as "not dead."
It is valid.
If you define "fine" as "not dead." Which maybe you do. But I don't.
Anonymous
10/09/2020 15:42
Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
To play devils advocate, what is the incentive for MCPS to put out a reopening plan given that what you said is true- i.e., it could be years before the county meets those numbers? I 100% agree that Elrich/Gayles are putting a goal out there that does not make sense, but MCPS surely recognizes this as well and as such is in no hurry to come up with a plan.
Yeah. Ok. But I guess my bigger objection then is for someone (ANYONE) in a position of authority to show a little backbone here.
You're right; they have no incentive to talk about re-opening when they know they can't meet those numbers.
But Smith is supposed to be a leader in the community. It would be nice if he showed a little courage and stood up for the people that he is supposed to be servicing (i.e the students)
Given the blowback proponents of DL are getting from everyone from President Trump to Gov. Hogan to you, one could argue that it takes more courage for Elrich/Gayles/Smith to rule out in-person instruction right now than it would to start it back up in some fashion.
I agree. It's tough to fight Trump and his Russian allies.
I really feel like MCPS would approach things differently if we had a Democrat Governor and/or President -- even if we had the exact same virus rate.
But, because Republicans have been more in favor of opening things up, this has become wrapped up in partisan politics and allowing things to open would be viewed as giving in to the Republicans.
You are correct. We were well on our way towards a hybrid approach over the summer.
Then, Trump and DeVos had a press conference about how all schools should re-open. The teachers union and the board heard that press conference and had an immediate change of heart.
It's a purely emotional reaction to the president that kept our kids home. Nothing based in fact or science.
Honestly, I think if the President came out today and said "ya know what, keep your kids home. it's too dangerous", our board would react with "you can't tell us what to do! we're going to open"
Anonymous
10/09/2020 15:41
Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Well since like 99.1 % of people who get COVID are fine, it's likely they will be too. Plenty of offices are open, as is retail.
This may be valid, if you define "fine" as "not dead."
It is valid.
Anonymous
10/09/2020 15:40
Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:
Well since like 99.1 % of people who get COVID are fine, it's likely they will be too. Plenty of offices are open, as is retail.
This may be valid, if you define "fine" as "not dead."
Anonymous
10/09/2020 15:39
Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
To play devils advocate, what is the incentive for MCPS to put out a reopening plan given that what you said is true- i.e., it could be years before the county meets those numbers? I 100% agree that Elrich/Gayles are putting a goal out there that does not make sense, but MCPS surely recognizes this as well and as such is in no hurry to come up with a plan.
Yeah. Ok. But I guess my bigger objection then is for someone (ANYONE) in a position of authority to show a little backbone here.
You're right; they have no incentive to talk about re-opening when they know they can't meet those numbers.
But Smith is supposed to be a leader in the community. It would be nice if he showed a little courage and stood up for the people that he is supposed to be servicing (i.e the students)
Given the blowback proponents of DL are getting from everyone from President Trump to Gov. Hogan to you, one could argue that it takes more courage for Elrich/Gayles/Smith to rule out in-person instruction right now than it would to start it back up in some fashion.
I agree. It's tough to fight Trump and his Russian allies.
I really feel like MCPS would approach things differently if we had a Democrat Governor and/or President -- even if we had the exact same virus rate.
But, because Republicans have been more in favor of opening things up, this has become wrapped up in partisan politics and allowing things to open would be viewed as giving in to the Republicans.
Anonymous
10/09/2020 15:36
Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not everyone needs to be judged by your mother’s survival story... it makes no sense to do that. However the Bradley Hills elementary outbreak is going to be just what MCPS needs to never go back.
There werent even kids there. It's no different than an outbreak in any office. The affected teachers will be fine.
Yes, it is like any office, but you have no idea whether the teachers will be fine. And, most offices are closed now, for a reason.
Well since like 99.1 % of people who get COVID are fine, it's likely they will be too. Plenty of offices are open, as is retail.
Currently the data are that 15% percent of covid infections are severe so it isn't just dead or fine. A good number of people would be out of work for weeks or months with illness and some percentage of those may have life long limitations because of it.
You got a citation for that 15%?
WaPo today reported that mortality rate is dropping down to .65%. And that's for EVERYONE. Imagine how low it is for people that don't fall into at risk category.
Anonymous
10/09/2020 15:32
Subject: Re:We are NEVER going back until covid is 100% gone - MCPS has no leadership
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not everyone needs to be judged by your mother’s survival story... it makes no sense to do that. However the Bradley Hills elementary outbreak is going to be just what MCPS needs to never go back.
There werent even kids there. It's no different than an outbreak in any office. The affected teachers will be fine.
Yes, it is like any office, but you have no idea whether the teachers will be fine. And, most offices are closed now, for a reason.
Well since like 99.1 % of people who get COVID are fine, it's likely they will be too. Plenty of offices are open, as is retail.
Currently the data are that 15% percent of covid infections are severe so it isn't just dead or fine. A good number of people would be out of work for weeks or months with illness and some percentage of those may have life long limitations because of it.