Anonymous
09/24/2020 09:43
Subject: Re:I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
Anonymous wrote:It’s a shame we are forced to live in such a cut throat, ruthless society. Once upon a time, years ago, a public school education was sufficient. Now, for some reason, we have to pay for prep classes in addition to paying taxes for public school or paying for private. It’s madness and unfortunately it’s our culture now. It leaves the playing field very uneven, more so than ever before. If you want your kid to be in the game, you gotta pay, and too bad if you can’t afford it, you’ll be left in the dust. Gotta go sign my kids up for Kumon, I guess. It’s subliminal, but it is cheating just the same.
Blame globalism and declining rigor in schools.
Anonymous
09/24/2020 09:41
Subject: I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Frankly who cares? I had a friend tell me that doing puzzles and reading to my kids for 30 min a day was leaving poor families at a disadvantage. You can't win. Somehow "equality" seems to be bringing down the high achievers versus just making the pie larger for everyone. I see that with so much right now in society too.
As long as there's no cheating or abuse of the children (I knew a girl when I was in school whose parents would beat her and she studied all night and couldn't stay awake during school), prepping is great.
Pro-TJ reform here - what your friend told you is garbage. Those of us who are in favor of TJ reform don't have any issue with parents doing right by their kids. We have an issue with a system that incentivizes spending thousands of dollars and hours on exam prep. There are those who would conflate the two - those people are nuts.
Whites spend even more money on prepping because they pay for private tutors for test preps, classes etc. private tutors cost much more than in class tuitions so we should outlaw those first.
White person here. I've never known a white family in my entire life who paid for tutoring for their kids. This would be very uncommon in the white culture. I've known white families who sent their kids to Catholic schools for a better education.
I believe white people don't send kids for prepping at an early age but they do use prep services in HS for SAT or something else.
They do send their kids for sports prep and practices. Should we have a quota over there too? No one should prepare for anything and just show up for the exam or a sport event. Otherwise its cheating and not fair to other communities.
Yes, this is what the majority of the white/hispanic/black people do. They just show up and take the exam and play the sport without prepping. Prep courses are a fairly new trend.
Anonymous
09/24/2020 09:36
Subject: I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Frankly who cares? I had a friend tell me that doing puzzles and reading to my kids for 30 min a day was leaving poor families at a disadvantage. You can't win. Somehow "equality" seems to be bringing down the high achievers versus just making the pie larger for everyone. I see that with so much right now in society too.
As long as there's no cheating or abuse of the children (I knew a girl when I was in school whose parents would beat her and she studied all night and couldn't stay awake during school), prepping is great.
Pro-TJ reform here - what your friend told you is garbage. Those of us who are in favor of TJ reform don't have any issue with parents doing right by their kids. We have an issue with a system that incentivizes spending thousands of dollars and hours on exam prep. There are those who would conflate the two - those people are nuts.
Whites spend even more money on prepping because they pay for private tutors for test preps, classes etc. private tutors cost much more than in class tuitions so we should outlaw those first.
White person here. I've never known a white family in my entire life who paid for tutoring for their kids. This would be very uncommon in the white culture. I've known white families who sent their kids to Catholic schools for a better education.
I believe white people don't send kids for prepping at an early age but they do use prep services in HS for SAT or something else.
They do send their kids for sports prep and practices. Should we have a quota over there too? No one should prepare for anything and just show up for the exam or a sport event. Otherwise its cheating and not fair to other communities.
Yes, Asians, in general, seem to begin prepping much earlier than others, if the others ever prep at all. You see the results of this in MS and HS. In ES you can see there is really not much of a difference between the kids in terms of intelligence levels. But because the Asians have years of prepping behind them, they excel once they reach MS. NonAsians need to just get on board with this if they want to compete.
Anonymous
09/24/2020 09:11
Subject: I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
Anonymous wrote:Where are these elementary level test prep classes that everyone is talking about? Do you mean Kumon?
Yes, Kumon.
Anonymous
09/24/2020 09:08
Subject: I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
Where are these elementary level test prep classes that everyone is talking about? Do you mean Kumon?
Anonymous
09/24/2020 07:56
Subject: Re:I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Let’s not act like taking prep classes isn’t a huge advantage for most students. The difference in exam results between the kids who took prep classes vs. not is stark. It’s not because the students are exceptionally talented, it’s because their parents are strategic and treat life as if it’s a game. The only kids who should be receiving extra help are those who are struggling and/or those who are learning disabled. The remainder, who are average to above average, are simply doing it to have an edge over everyone else. Unless all students are provided with prep classes, it shouldn’t be permitted.
This should be the case for EVERY prep class educational. No SAT, ACT, AP, GRE, LSAT, MCAT, etc prepping allowed unless you are learning disabled or struggling. But no private testing to say your struggling either.
No private sports- travel teams, private coaching. They should not be getting an edge over anyone else.
Also for every private tutor hired and every private college counselor hired.
And get rid of legacy benefits too.
And no wealthy donor benefits either.
We need to be fair and equitable to all. These are not things anyone should be allowed to do.
+1000 I totally agree with this, not sure if you’re being facetious, but this is the only way to level the playing field. Most kids never ever have the advantage of any of those on your list. We are missing true talent and genius by prepping average kids to become above average. It’s masking the true talent out there and it’s dishonest.
Anonymous
09/24/2020 07:43
Subject: Re:I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
Anonymous wrote:Let’s not act like taking prep classes isn’t a huge advantage for most students. The difference in exam results between the kids who took prep classes vs. not is stark. It’s not because the students are exceptionally talented, it’s because their parents are strategic and treat life as if it’s a game. The only kids who should be receiving extra help are those who are struggling and/or those who are learning disabled. The remainder, who are average to above average, are simply doing it to have an edge over everyone else. Unless all students are provided with prep classes, it shouldn’t be permitted.
This should be the case for EVERY prep class educational. No SAT, ACT, AP, GRE, LSAT, MCAT, etc prepping allowed unless you are learning disabled or struggling. But no private testing to say your struggling either.
No private sports- travel teams, private coaching. They should not be getting an edge over anyone else.
Also for every private tutor hired and every private college counselor hired.
And get rid of legacy benefits too.
And no wealthy donor benefits either.
We need to be fair and equitable to all. These are not things anyone should be allowed to do.
Anonymous
09/24/2020 07:05
Subject: Re:I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
Let’s not act like taking prep classes isn’t a huge advantage for most students. The difference in exam results between the kids who took prep classes vs. not is stark. It’s not because the students are exceptionally talented, it’s because their parents are strategic and treat life as if it’s a game. The only kids who should be receiving extra help are those who are struggling and/or those who are learning disabled. The remainder, who are average to above average, are simply doing it to have an edge over everyone else. Unless all students are provided with prep classes, it shouldn’t be permitted.
Anonymous
09/24/2020 02:55
Subject: Re:I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Honest question, why is regular school time not enough? Clearly, you are doing it to gain an unfair advantage. It’s eye opening and I am glad this has been brought to my attention because it explains a lot.
This is like saying why is regular PE time not enough to those kids who can play at varsity level sports.
Not exactly. There are gifted athletes just as there are intellectually gifted individuals. This prepping gives the mediocre students an edge over just about everyone who is not prepping. Your kids wouldn’t have the ability to play at varsity level without prep courses.
Anonymous
09/24/2020 02:26
Subject: Re:I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why prepping is a BAD thing. Don’t kids take classes for the SATs, PSATs, LSATS, MCATS??? Isn’t studying a GOOD thing? Isn’t hard work a sign students will do well? Prepping doesn’t mean cheating! Then let’s stop ALL the prep classes for any standardized test! I have taken a ton of standardized tests. I am an attorney. And I can tell you, I got very good grades. BUT without my test prep, I wouldn’t have done nearly as well in my standardized tests. I have never considered preparing “cheating!”
I have never taken a prep course, I am now in the medical field. I was clearly at a disadvantage growing up, as my parents didn’t value education at all and I could never afford a prep course unless I paid for it myself. Prep courses give mediocre students that extra edge. I was never a mediocre student, but I can attest that students, friends of mine, after paying for prep courses, were somehow miraculously accepted into unattainable colleges/grad schools. I am now successful solely due to my own hard work and diligence. I am ambivalent towards prep classes, but I see them as a necessity if my children are to succeed. There are still many kids out there whose parents don’t value education. It’s a class/culture issue more than anything. Asian parents give a crap, while many parents of other races, including white parents, have priorities above their child’s education. I can already see how, in ES, the Asians are prepping. Half of my DC’s class is Asian. I hear the Asian kids talking about taking prep classes, these are 8 year olds for crying out loud. It is only the Asians taking these courses. The other kids haven’t a clue what Kumon is! This is the new normal in education unfortunately.
Anonymous
09/23/2020 23:33
Subject: Re:I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why prepping is a BAD thing. Don’t kids take classes for the SATs, PSATs, LSATS, MCATS??? Isn’t studying a GOOD thing? Isn’t hard work a sign students will do well? Prepping doesn’t mean cheating! Then let’s stop ALL the prep classes for any standardized test! I have taken a ton of standardized tests. I am an attorney. And I can tell you, I got very good grades. BUT without my test prep, I wouldn’t have done nearly as well in my standardized tests. I have never considered preparing “cheating!”
Let’s ban bar review courses well because that cheating too.
No, white students take those classes too, so it's not considered cheating.
No we should just use a lottery for all law school graduates since not all graduates can afford expensive Bar review courses so eliminate the bar exam and use a lottery system. That’s fair and it will increase URMs.
Anonymous
09/23/2020 23:23
Subject: Re:I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why prepping is a BAD thing. Don’t kids take classes for the SATs, PSATs, LSATS, MCATS??? Isn’t studying a GOOD thing? Isn’t hard work a sign students will do well? Prepping doesn’t mean cheating! Then let’s stop ALL the prep classes for any standardized test! I have taken a ton of standardized tests. I am an attorney. And I can tell you, I got very good grades. BUT without my test prep, I wouldn’t have done nearly as well in my standardized tests. I have never considered preparing “cheating!”
Let’s ban bar review courses well because that cheating too.
No, white students take those classes too, so it's not considered cheating.
Anonymous
09/23/2020 23:21
Subject: Re:I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why prepping is a BAD thing. Don’t kids take classes for the SATs, PSATs, LSATS, MCATS??? Isn’t studying a GOOD thing? Isn’t hard work a sign students will do well? Prepping doesn’t mean cheating! Then let’s stop ALL the prep classes for any standardized test! I have taken a ton of standardized tests. I am an attorney. And I can tell you, I got very good grades. BUT without my test prep, I wouldn’t have done nearly as well in my standardized tests. I have never considered preparing “cheating!”
Let’s ban bar review courses well because that cheating too.
No, white students take those classes too, so it's not considered cheating.
Anonymous
09/23/2020 23:18
Subject: Re:I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why prepping is a BAD thing. Don’t kids take classes for the SATs, PSATs, LSATS, MCATS??? Isn’t studying a GOOD thing? Isn’t hard work a sign students will do well? Prepping doesn’t mean cheating! Then let’s stop ALL the prep classes for any standardized test! I have taken a ton of standardized tests. I am an attorney. And I can tell you, I got very good grades. BUT without my test prep, I wouldn’t have done nearly as well in my standardized tests. I have never considered preparing “cheating!”
Let’s ban bar review courses well because that cheating too.
Anonymous
09/23/2020 23:14
Subject: Re:I don't like test prep however please dont blame Asian on that
I don’t understand why prepping is a BAD thing. Don’t kids take classes for the SATs, PSATs, LSATS, MCATS??? Isn’t studying a GOOD thing? Isn’t hard work a sign students will do well? Prepping doesn’t mean cheating! Then let’s stop ALL the prep classes for any standardized test! I have taken a ton of standardized tests. I am an attorney. And I can tell you, I got very good grades. BUT without my test prep, I wouldn’t have done nearly as well in my standardized tests. I have never considered preparing “cheating!”