Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reality is, nobody's talking about "destroying" the post office, except those engaging in hyperbole & histrionics. The USPS has been scaling back for years. Snail mail is going the way of the land line telephone. It's called progress. Now, some have decided we absolutely MUST conduct our voting by mail -- as if we cannot safely go to a polling place & vote. We go out, and with appropriate caution, go to grocery stores, pharmacies, attend political rallies & protests, go to home supply stores, liquor stores, gun shops, beauty salons & barber shops, physician & dentist offices, etc., etc. Those with special needs: absentee ballots have been available since the Civil War. But the screeching & screaming will continue, as if the nation's very existence depends on mail-in voting.

Are you actually trying to claim that postal service has not been impacted by these moves and that the timing is completely coincidental? Despite, Trump himself explicitly saying that he is trying to slow down the mail because he thinks mail in voting is bad for his re-election chances?

Are you really also saying that we should vote in person only? If so, why? It's one thing to say that in person voting can be done safely. It's quite another thing to say that we must vote in person regardless of safety. Unfortunately, that second point is what you are actually arguing. Sure, there are steps that can be taken to make in person voting as safe as going to the grocery store. Even that's not close to 100% safe but whatev. But what's happening is that some states want to minimize potential safety risks and the federal government is trying to sabotage that effort.

No, PP is saying that it's the height of stupidity to push for mail-in-voting 2.5 months out from a Presidential election. If Democrats wanted safe, secure mail-in voting, they should have taken it up as an issue back when they had the Presidency and Congress. They didn't. As such, you can't whine about it now. Well, you can whine, but the rest of us won't care.

Anonymous wrote:Reality is, nobody's talking about "destroying" the post office, except those engaging in hyperbole & histrionics. The USPS has been scaling back for years. Snail mail is going the way of the land line telephone. It's called progress. Now, some have decided we absolutely MUST conduct our voting by mail -- as if we cannot safely go to a polling place & vote. We go out, and with appropriate caution, go to grocery stores, pharmacies, attend political rallies & protests, go to home supply stores, liquor stores, gun shops, beauty salons & barber shops, physician & dentist offices, etc., etc. Those with special needs: absentee ballots have been available since the Civil War. But the screeching & screaming will continue, as if the nation's very existence depends on mail-in voting.

Are you actually trying to claim that postal service has not been impacted by these moves and that the timing is completely coincidental? Despite, Trump himself explicitly saying that he is trying to slow down the mail because he thinks mail in voting is bad for his re-election chances?

Are you really also saying that we should vote in person only? If so, why? It's one thing to say that in person voting can be done safely. It's quite another thing to say that we must vote in person regardless of safety. Unfortunately, that second point is what you are actually arguing. Sure, there are steps that can be taken to make in person voting as safe as going to the grocery store. Even that's not close to 100% safe but whatev. But what's happening is that some states want to minimize potential safety risks and the federal government is trying to sabotage that effort.

Reality is, nobody's talking about "destroying" the post office, except those engaging in hyperbole & histrionics. The USPS has been scaling back for years. Snail mail is going the way of the land line telephone. It's called progress. Now, some have decided we absolutely MUST conduct our voting by mail -- as if we cannot safely go to a polling place & vote. We go out, and with appropriate caution, go to grocery stores, pharmacies, attend political rallies & protests, go to home supply stores, liquor stores, gun shops, beauty salons & barber shops, physician & dentist offices, etc., etc. Those with special needs: absentee ballots have been available since the Civil War. But the screeching & screaming will continue, as if the nation's very existence depends on mail-in voting.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

PP here, I am not in favor of 100% vote by mail. Mail is inherently an insecure and unreliable service. *REGISTERED* mail was implemented as a secure and reliable service - registered mail is stored in locked cages with a signature based chain of custody. This is why when you send something registered they put a bunch of stamps all over the envelope's seals, to prevent/detect people messing with the mail. But because of this chain-of-custody requirement, registered mail is hand sorted and not machine sorted. I would assume that a registered mail level of service is what would be necessary for 100% mailed ballots.

Taxes
Passports
Drivers Licenses
Social Security Cards
Social Security Checks
Government Pension Checks
Bank Chacks

- all things sent routinely by the public and government without being registered mail

Sure, but people mail these at their own risk.

Taxes - many people mail their returns with certified or registered mail, for the specific reason that a lost return would result in a tax penalty.
Passports - only mailed for non-urgent renewals. Those that want their passport on time get them in person.
Drivers Licenses - again, you can get them in person if you must have them. Lost licenses are not as big of a deal.
Social Security Cards - a lost car is no big deal, you just get a replacement.
Social Security Checks, Pension Checks, Bank Checks - lost checks can be replaced/reissued. Note that a lot of businesses use FedEx letter to mail check payments on invoices for key suppliers precisely to ensure that it gets delivered.

So all of the examples you supplied, either already has a high level of use of certified/registered mail services, or does not matter if they are lost or are late.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The crux of the issue: you can’t trust a damn thing said by a member of the GOP.

You can keep your healthcare!
—famous Democrat Liar and washington post whopper of the decade

Stfu with your whataboutism. That has nothing to do with elections and democracy you idiot.

Anonymous wrote:The crux of the issue: you can’t trust a damn thing said by a member of the GOP.

You can keep your healthcare!
—famous Democrat Liar and washington post whopper of the decade

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The crux of the issue: you can’t trust a damn thing said by a member of the GOP.

Actually, we don't know what the risk of voter fraud would be in the case of a 100% mail in voting scenario. But you seem to want to roll the dice 2.5 months out from a Presidential election.

The Republicans problem with mail-in voting is that it is harder to suppress. They know how to suppress in-person voting.

The only question here is whether you want elections to reflect the will of the people. Democrats do; Republicans do not.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-postal-service-warns-pennsylvania-mail-ballots-may-be-n1236713


Seriously, how is this not illegal? The new postal service inspector deliberately sabotaged it. And Trump refuses to let congress provide funds to solve the problem.

Awwwww, that sucks. Oh wells, enjoy voting in person.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's hillarious that this all started with Trump's obsession with Jeff Bezos. The sheer amount of people involved and reverberating consequences that are arising out of one man's one way personal and vindictive feud is amazing.

Well, you have to admit that the WaPo went pretty negative on Trump after Bezos bought it.

Also, Amazon is leveraging the post office pretty hard to support its business model. https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/amazon-supreme-court-package-prices

Reporting the news is negative? Like what is wrong with a pandemic that has killed 170,000 Americans, or children being locked in cages and permanently separated from their parents or bounties on US soldiers going unacknowledged?

If you call opinion pieces dressed up as news articles to be "news," Walter Cronkite is rolling in his grave.

Hannity says "hold my sparkling water"

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The crux of the issue: you can’t trust a damn thing said by a member of the GOP.

Actually, we don't know what the risk of voter fraud would be in the case of a 100% mail in voting scenario. But you seem to want to roll the dice 2.5 months out from a Presidential election.

Kinda like how Trump “rolled the dice” with ‘Roma? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Now it’s time to take your medicine.

Anonymous wrote:The crux of the issue: you can’t trust a damn thing said by a member of the GOP.

Actually, we don't know what the risk of voter fraud would be in the case of a 100% mail in voting scenario. But you seem to want to roll the dice 2.5 months out from a Presidential election.

The crux of the issue: you can’t trust a damn thing said by a member of the GOP.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's hillarious that this all started with Trump's obsession with Jeff Bezos. The sheer amount of people involved and reverberating consequences that are arising out of one man's one way personal and vindictive feud is amazing.

Well, you have to admit that the WaPo went pretty negative on Trump after Bezos bought it.

Also, Amazon is leveraging the post office pretty hard to support its business model. https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/amazon-supreme-court-package-prices

Reporting the news is negative? Like what is wrong with a pandemic that has killed 170,000 Americans, or children being locked in cages and permanently separated from their parents or bounties on US soldiers going unacknowledged?

If you call opinion pieces dressed up as news articles to be "news," Walter Cronkite is rolling in his grave.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's hillarious that this all started with Trump's obsession with Jeff Bezos. The sheer amount of people involved and reverberating consequences that are arising out of one man's one way personal and vindictive feud is amazing.

Well, you have to admit that the WaPo went pretty negative on Trump after Bezos bought it.

Also, Amazon is leveraging the post office pretty hard to support its business model. https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/amazon-supreme-court-package-prices

Bezos bought the Post in 2013, way before Trump was relevent. Reporting the news is not "negative" it's literally their purpose. Amazon is doing the exact same thing that UPS and FedEx are doing with the USPS. It is neither unusual not unique. The feud is entirely one way and it's absurd.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it's hillarious that this all started with Trump's obsession with Jeff Bezos. The sheer amount of people involved and reverberating consequences that are arising out of one man's one way personal and vindictive feud is amazing.

Well, you have to admit that the WaPo went pretty negative on Trump after Bezos bought it.

Also, Amazon is leveraging the post office pretty hard to support its business model. https://www.foxbusiness.com/retail/amazon-supreme-court-package-prices

Reporting the news is negative? Like what is wrong with a pandemic that has killed 170,000 Americans, or children being locked in cages and permanently separated from their parents or bounties on US soldiers going unacknowledged?