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Anonymous wrote:All this does is encourage people who can’t afford it to have lots of babies. I’m a moderate who hasn’t voted Republican in probably 20 years. Policy proposals like this are going to force people like me to move right.

Me too. Policies like this and the politics of Sanders, AOC, etc. really just drive me toward the right.

I voted democrat for 5 straight presidential elections (ever since I could vote). I suddenly realized this year that apparently I am not a democrat. Will sadly be voting Trump now. Sad! I'm not kidding.

Guys, step back a moment. This is a fringe idea. There are 2-3 people on DCUM pushing this and bumping this thread endlessly. And a couple of widely-published authors like Coates.

Most mainstream Dems are not behind cash handouts, or not large ones. Instead, most of the Democratic Party is for expanding Head Start, improving schools, maybe subsidizing colleges, maybe subsidizing home-ownership.[/b] Obama, for example, said he didn't support reparations in the form of cash handouts. Biden isn't going to go for cash handouts.

[b]Are you going to let a few obsessive but fringy posters drive you to support Trump's criminal non-leadership on COVID, his criminally divisive tweets on race and everything else, the treasonous pass he tried to give to Russia for paying bounties for killing American soldiers, and so much more?

If Biden does NOT get behind reparations, he will lose the support of me and a LOT of my people. There is so much momentum behind the cause right now that it would be a huge betrayal for reparations to be squashed.

This is the time for reparations, and it is a winning issue for Biden! More so than dragging up that bounty stuff that isnt even true. Step down from your perch of privilege and be an Ally.

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Anonymous wrote:All this does is encourage people who can’t afford it to have lots of babies. I’m a moderate who hasn’t voted Republican in probably 20 years. Policy proposals like this are going to force people like me to move right.

Me too. Policies like this and the politics of Sanders, AOC, etc. really just drive me toward the right.

I voted democrat for 5 straight presidential elections (ever since I could vote). I suddenly realized this year that apparently I am not a democrat. Will sadly be voting Trump now. Sad! I'm not kidding.

Guys, step back a moment. This is a fringe idea. There are 2-3 people on DCUM pushing this and bumping this thread endlessly. And a couple of widely-published authors like Coates.

Most mainstream Dems are not behind cash handouts, or not large ones. Instead, most of the Democratic Party is for expanding Head Start, improving schools, maybe subsidizing colleges, maybe subsidizing home-ownership.[/b] Obama, for example, said he didn't support reparations in the form of cash handouts. Biden isn't going to go for cash handouts.

[b]Are you going to let a few obsessive but fringy posters drive you to support Trump's criminal non-leadership on COVID, his criminally divisive tweets on race and everything else, the treasonous pass he tried to give to Russia for paying bounties for killing American soldiers, and so much more?

If Biden does NOT get behind reparations, he will lose the support of me and a LOT of my people. There is so much momentum behind the cause right now that it would be a huge betrayal for reparations to be squashed.

This is the time for reparations, and it is a winning issue for Biden! More so than dragging up that bounty stuff that isnt even true. Step down from your perch of privilege and be an Ally.

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Anonymous wrote:All this does is encourage people who can’t afford it to have lots of babies. I’m a moderate who hasn’t voted Republican in probably 20 years. Policy proposals like this are going to force people like me to move right.

Me too. Policies like this and the politics of Sanders, AOC, etc. really just drive me toward the right.

I voted democrat for 5 straight presidential elections (ever since I could vote). I suddenly realized this year that apparently I am not a democrat. Will sadly be voting Trump now. Sad! I'm not kidding.

Guys, step back a moment. This is a fringe idea. There are 2-3 people on DCUM pushing this and bumping this thread endlessly. And a couple of widely-published authors like Coates.

Most mainstream Dems are not behind cash handouts, or not large ones. Instead, most of the Democratic Party is for expanding Head Start, improving schools, maybe subsidizing colleges, maybe subsidizing home-ownership.[/b] Obama, for example, said he didn't support reparations in the form of cash handouts. Biden isn't going to go for cash handouts.

[b]Are you going to let a few obsessive but fringy posters drive you to support Trump's criminal non-leadership on COVID, his criminally divisive tweets on race and everything else, the treasonous pass he tried to give to Russia for paying bounties for killing American soldiers, and so much more?

Anonymous wrote:Instead of handouts with no stated goal, which just invite corruption, the investment should be made in:
1. K-12 support for kids so they are actually college-ready. and 2. If they are college ready, support for attending four year schools and 3. systems that incentivize successful graduates to give back to their communities

One great example of this is LeBron James' work in Akron with K-12 kids to prep them for college and full scholarships to four year schools (Kent State, U of Akron) to kids in the program who *actually* meet admissions criteria for those schools.

A bigger scale government program is Georgia's HOPE program which is funded by lottery funds and has two aims: 1. allow poor kids to attend school either full or part time (it started with an income cap but no longer has one) and 2. prevent a brain drain out of Georgia by incentivizing kids who could leave the state (scholarships or full pay) to stay in the state.

So you have no substantive response to PP? Just admit you want money in your pocket that you did nothing to earn.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point that community is going to stop looking for different forms of government handouts (of which the current push for reparations is just the latest iteration) and rely upon the same tools of hard work and self-reliance that every other group in American society does to improve their economic fortunes.

Of course, if lazy black people would just stop being lazy and work for something , I mean really it’s ridiculous. Who cares if more white people get government assistance and that white women are the primary recipients of affirmative action, facts don’t matter. Black people don’t work, they don’t care about education and they are all just crying victim. I believe it so it must be true!!
Hey, I get it, you are tired from being slaves, but that was hundreds of years ago so get off your duff, move out of that crime ridden Chicago, stop doing drugs, leave that to those other folks getting help with their opioid addictions, leave the rehabs and medical programs for them gosh darn it.
We’re tired of your bit chin’, I’ve got a war against masks to wage, we don’t have time for that BLM crap. MASKS DON’T MATTER, but I digress.
The only thing that matters here is that they just grab those boot straps and get to work.!!!!

No, you're distorting positions. The racist turds saying "get a job" aside, lots of people here want to help break down the causes of systemic racism. They are willing to be taxed more to do it.

They just don't agree that cash handouts are the way to do this, as opposed to school reform, subsidizing college, maybe subsidizing homeownership, and healthcare reform. And even as people give reasons why they don't think cash handouts would eliminate wealth inequalities, you haven't bothered to explain how cash handouts would work better.

Are you paying attention ? Did you read what this was a response to ?? I was not responding to a nuanced, fact based discussion on the feasibility of cash handouts. Thank you very much.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point that community is going to stop looking for different forms of government handouts (of which the current push for reparations is just the latest iteration) and rely upon the same tools of hard work and self-reliance that every other group in American society does to improve their economic fortunes.

Of course, if lazy black people would just stop being lazy and work for something , I mean really it’s ridiculous. Who cares if more white people get government assistance and that white women are the primary recipients of affirmative action, facts don’t matter. Black people don’t work, they don’t care about education and they are all just crying victim. I believe it so it must be true!!
Hey, I get it, you are tired from being slaves, but that was hundreds of years ago so get off your duff, move out of that crime ridden Chicago, stop doing drugs, leave that to those other folks getting help with their opioid addictions, leave the rehabs and medical programs for them gosh darn it.
We’re tired of your bit chin’, I’ve got a war against masks to wage, we don’t have time for that BLM crap. MASKS DON’T MATTER, but I digress.
The only thing that matters here is that they just grab those boot straps and get to work.!!!!

No, you're distorting positions. The racist turds saying "get a job" aside, lots of people here want to help break down the causes of systemic racism. They are willing to be taxed more to do it.

They just don't agree that cash handouts are the way to do this, as opposed to school reform, subsidizing college, maybe subsidizing homeownership, and healthcare reform. And even as people give reasons why they don't think cash handouts would eliminate wealth inequalities, you haven't bothered to explain how cash handouts would work better.

Are you paying attention ? Did you read what this was a response to ?? I was not responding to a nuanced, fact based discussion on the feasibility of cash handouts. Thank you very much.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point that community is going to stop looking for different forms of government handouts (of which the current push for reparations is just the latest iteration) and rely upon the same tools of hard work and self-reliance that every other group in American society does to improve their economic fortunes.

Of course, if lazy black people would just stop being lazy and work for something , I mean really it’s ridiculous. Who cares if more white people get government assistance and that white women are the primary recipients of affirmative action, facts don’t matter. Black people don’t work, they don’t care about education and they are all just crying victim. I believe it so it must be true!!
Hey, I get it, you are tired from being slaves, but that was hundreds of years ago so get off your duff, move out of that crime ridden Chicago, stop doing drugs, leave that to those other folks getting help with their opioid addictions, leave the rehabs and medical programs for them gosh darn it.
We’re tired of your bit chin’, I’ve got a war against masks to wage, we don’t have time for that BLM crap. MASKS DON’T MATTER, but I digress.
The only thing that matters here is that they just grab those boot straps and get to work.!!!!

No, you're distorting positions. The racist turds saying "get a job" aside, lots of people here want to help break down the causes of systemic racism. They are willing to be taxed more to do it.

They just don't agree that cash handouts are the way to do this, as opposed to school reform, subsidizing college, maybe subsidizing homeownership, and healthcare reform. And even as people give reasons why they don't think cash handouts would eliminate wealth inequalities, you haven't bothered to explain how cash handouts would work better.

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Anonymous wrote:At some point that community is going to stop looking for different forms of government handouts (of which the current push for reparations is just the latest iteration) and rely upon the same tools of hard work and self-reliance that every other group in American society does to improve their economic fortunes.

Of course, if lazy black people would just stop being lazy and work for something , I mean really it’s ridiculous. Who cares if more white people get government assistance and that white women are the primary recipients of affirmative action, facts don’t matter. Black people don’t work, they don’t care about education and they are all just crying victim. I believe it so it must be true!!
Hey, I get it, you are tired from being slaves, but that was hundreds of years ago so get off your duff, move out of that crime ridden Chicago, stop doing drugs, leave that to those other folks getting help with their opioid addictions, leave the rehabs and medical programs for them gosh darn it.
We’re tired of your bit chin’, I’ve got a war against masks to wage, we don’t have time for that BLM crap. MASKS DON’T MATTER, but I digress.
The only thing that matters here is that they just grab those boot straps and get to work.!!!!

Anonymous wrote:At some point that community is going to stop looking for different forms of government handouts (of which the current push for reparations is just the latest iteration) and rely upon the same tools of hard work and self-reliance that every other group in American society does to improve their economic fortunes.

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Anonymous wrote:The fascinating thing about all this is that "white" America is rapidly declining as a share of the population and the country rapidly diversifying. I think the reason why the racial, or rather, black racial issues, have become so intensified and bitter in recent years is that the old argument of blaming all their problems on racism has gotten harder when at the same time tens of millions non-whites have immigrated to the United States and in that time, despite not being white, have outperformed black America, and many have even outperformed white America. This substantially weakens the old racial arguments.

That's why it's shifted away from personal, direct individual racism to institutional racism. 50 years ago the racial argument was based on too many individual racists, teachers, employers, politicians, neighbors, being racist, and that to fight racism you had to combat the racists populating the institutions through educating them, and welcoming blacks into the institutions. But flash forward 50 years of Affirmative Action and a white population that is incredibly more tolerant and race blind, and (which is often ignored these days) a flourishing black middle class and many more blacks in leadership position, so many of the problems facing particularly poorer blacks remain. Blacks continue to commit disproportionate amounts of crime and urban deprived neighborhoods remain disproportionately black.

Now the blame for the problems is shifting, not to any individual responsibility, but to a focus on "institutional racism," calling for racism within the framework of American society and American institutions rather than the individuals, and by making it institutional, the proponents override all the current racial tolerance and diversity and affirmative action programs to reach back to the past as an excuse for today's behavior. That's why if Hispanic gang members shoot each other, it's not racism, but when black gang members shoot each other, it's racism. That's why poor white people in places of generational poverty, such as rural America and Appalachia, are not absolved of their poverty, and even openly mocked and trashed, but poor blacks in inner cities are absolved of any responsibilities for their poverty and it's racist to make fun of their cultural behaviors.

I do see and understand why. A focus on blaming "institutional" racism of the past to present allows people to avoid looking at other things more close to home and provides an easy scrapegoat for angers and frustrations.

But ultimately, I suspect it won't go much beyond severely worsening many things. And, ironically, it is still going to the white man with a begging bowl.

No quotes needed for the institutional in institutional racism. It is in fact very real. The US racial caste system puts Black descendants of slavery and Native Americans at the lowest ranks below non-white immigrants. The failure of people like you to acknowledge it, allows it to continue. There are also systems that keep people impoverished which often overlap with race, but that doesn't change the fact that the biggest predictor of how much lifetime wealth you will accumulate is race. A white high school dropout earns more than a black college grad because institutions protect white mediocrity by deferring black opportunity.

How does it put them below if they have the following that immigrants don't have:

- they speak fluent English (most of the immigrants come here either without speaking any English or with a very poor English)
- they was offered free English grammar education for 12 years (all the immigrants can hope is free ESL classes in a local library at the large urban areas)
- they have family support (sometimes extensive family with grandparents, siblings, aunts and anckles)
- they have legal status to work
- they have Affirmative Action to go to college
- they can join military (for some immigrants this is not an option)
- if they are poor, they are eligible for financial aid in college (immigrants don't )
- they can drive (a lot of immigrants moving from big cities or rural areas never drove)

All the listed above put blacks way above any white or non-white immigrant at the starting point.

Lol you do realize that for many of the people that immigrate here these descriptors do not apply or disappear after a few years. I know this definition of immigrant you provided is all too convenient for your argument, but immigrants come from a broad range of socioeconomic classes and individual circumstances.

So do black people.
Few years is a LONG time to have your life on hold.

Only certain people immigrate... usually the educates/well off/entrepreneurs.

Your average person does not immigrate... so by that basic fact, immigrants start off better than both blacks and whites with similar circumstances.

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Anonymous wrote:All this does is encourage people who can’t afford it to have lots of babies. I’m a moderate who hasn’t voted Republican in probably 20 years. Policy proposals like this are going to force people like me to move right.

Me too. Policies like this and the politics of Sanders, AOC, etc. really just drive me toward the right.

I voted democrat for 5 straight presidential elections (ever since I could vote). I suddenly realized this year that apparently I am not a democrat. Will sadly be voting Trump now. Sad! I'm not kidding.

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Anonymous wrote:All this does is encourage people who can’t afford it to have lots of babies. I’m a moderate who hasn’t voted Republican in probably 20 years. Policy proposals like this are going to force people like me to move right.

Me too. Policies like this and the politics of Sanders, AOC, etc. really just drive me toward the right.

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Anonymous wrote:All this does is encourage people who can’t afford it to have lots of babies. I’m a moderate who hasn’t voted Republican in probably 20 years. Policy proposals like this are going to force people like me to move right.

Wow. Only if you are planning, before getting pregnant, to steal money from your adult children.

Which I am sure a lot of people will do.