Anonymous
06/17/2020 20:04
Subject: I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
They’re not missing, it’s just different. And, yes, after hearing stories of how COVID has affected people and not being able to fully grasp the long term damage it can do, I prefer we find options to keep everyone healthy. Schools will close again if they open as normal in the fall as soon as teachers & students start getting sick... better to plan on and improve distance learning than have people get very sick and potentially die.
No, they're missing.
COVID is not the only health or public-health outcome, and "no school" is not an option that keeps everyone healthy.
How are they missing or having ‘no school’ if they’re doing distance learning? I am no longer in MCPS, so maybe I am just not understanding how awful your last quarter was. Where we moved out of state, they put elearning in place last school year to use for snow days. Teachers were already adept at providing online lessons, so we switched right over when in person school stopped. Daily zooms were added, and though it wasn’t perfect, I feel like it can keep being improved upon and replace in person school for fall & winter quarters this coming school year.
Because there is more to school than doing worksheets on line.
Anonymous
06/17/2020 19:39
Subject: I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
They’re not missing, it’s just different. And, yes, after hearing stories of how COVID has affected people and not being able to fully grasp the long term damage it can do, I prefer we find options to keep everyone healthy. Schools will close again if they open as normal in the fall as soon as teachers & students start getting sick... better to plan on and improve distance learning than have people get very sick and potentially die.
No, they're missing.
COVID is not the only health or public-health outcome, and "no school" is not an option that keeps everyone healthy.
How are they missing or having ‘no school’ if they’re doing distance learning? I am no longer in MCPS, so maybe I am just not understanding how awful your last quarter was. Where we moved out of state, they put elearning in place last school year to use for snow days. Teachers were already adept at providing online lessons, so we switched right over when in person school stopped. Daily zooms were added, and though it wasn’t perfect, I feel like it can keep being improved upon and replace in person school for fall & winter quarters this coming school year.
Anonymous
06/17/2020 17:42
Subject: Re:I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
Here is a study about adolescents and young adults.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.10.20032136v1
Also, read this with an expert recommending reopening schools, but with social distancing measure in place. Maybe we can find money somewhere to do this?
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/05/coronavirus-are-kids-as-safe-as-we-thought/
Here is another article from California reflecting that the age for those testing positive is getting younger.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/16/age-of-covid-19-cases-dropping-in-california/
https://www.ksro.com/2020/06/17/new-data-shows-young-people-need-to-take-social-distancing-seriously/
This article notes that Sweden did nothing to track the spread of disease, so we can't draw many conclusions from their experience.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/how-sweden-wasted-rare-opportunity-study-coronavirus-schools
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.10.20032136v1
Also, read this with an expert recommending reopening schools, but with social distancing measure in place. Maybe we can find money somewhere to do this?
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/05/coronavirus-are-kids-as-safe-as-we-thought/
Here is another article from California reflecting that the age for those testing positive is getting younger.
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/16/age-of-covid-19-cases-dropping-in-california/
https://www.ksro.com/2020/06/17/new-data-shows-young-people-need-to-take-social-distancing-seriously/
This article notes that Sweden did nothing to track the spread of disease, so we can't draw many conclusions from their experience.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/how-sweden-wasted-rare-opportunity-study-coronavirus-schools
Anonymous
06/17/2020 17:06
Subject: I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"Understanding transmission better could help inform public health policy as schools and childcare centers decide how and whether to reopen or not, says Schuster. “Initially, there was a lot of thought that this virus could be spread by children in congregate settings, which is common for other respiratory viruses like influenza. What we’re seeing more and more from the data that comes out is that child-to-child or child-to-adult spread is actually not common,” she says."
Schuster = Jennifer Schuster, a pediatric infectious disease physician at Children’s Mercy Hospital in Kansas City
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/covid-19-is-very-different-in-young-kids-versus-adults-67637
That's good news, although the study was limited to ages 12 and under. It might serve as more evidence that the only ones returning full time would be elementary school kids.
Just because the study was for 12 and under, doesn't mean that everything is different once you turn 13.
Of course not, but is there a big difference between 16/17 year old and adults?
Why, yes. Yes, there is. Yes.
In terms of COVID transmission? Great. Do you have a study on that?
Anonymous
06/17/2020 17:04
Subject: I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"Understanding transmission better could help inform public health policy as schools and childcare centers decide how and whether to reopen or not, says Schuster. “Initially, there was a lot of thought that this virus could be spread by children in congregate settings, which is common for other respiratory viruses like influenza. What we’re seeing more and more from the data that comes out is that child-to-child or child-to-adult spread is actually not common,” she says."
Schuster = Jennifer Schuster, a pediatric infectious disease physician at Children’s Mercy Hospital in Kansas City
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/covid-19-is-very-different-in-young-kids-versus-adults-67637
That's good news, although the study was limited to ages 12 and under. It might serve as more evidence that the only ones returning full time would be elementary school kids.
Just because the study was for 12 and under, doesn't mean that everything is different once you turn 13.
Of course not, but is there a big difference between 16/17 year old and adults?
Why, yes. Yes, there is. Yes.
Anonymous
06/17/2020 17:01
Subject: I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"Understanding transmission better could help inform public health policy as schools and childcare centers decide how and whether to reopen or not, says Schuster. “Initially, there was a lot of thought that this virus could be spread by children in congregate settings, which is common for other respiratory viruses like influenza. What we’re seeing more and more from the data that comes out is that child-to-child or child-to-adult spread is actually not common,” she says."
Schuster = Jennifer Schuster, a pediatric infectious disease physician at Children’s Mercy Hospital in Kansas City
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/covid-19-is-very-different-in-young-kids-versus-adults-67637
That's good news, although the study was limited to ages 12 and under. It might serve as more evidence that the only ones returning full time would be elementary school kids.
Just because the study was for 12 and under, doesn't mean that everything is different once you turn 13.
Of course not, but is there a big difference between 16/17 year old and adults?
Anonymous
06/17/2020 16:55
Subject: I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"Understanding transmission better could help inform public health policy as schools and childcare centers decide how and whether to reopen or not, says Schuster. “Initially, there was a lot of thought that this virus could be spread by children in congregate settings, which is common for other respiratory viruses like influenza. What we’re seeing more and more from the data that comes out is that child-to-child or child-to-adult spread is actually not common,” she says."
Schuster = Jennifer Schuster, a pediatric infectious disease physician at Children’s Mercy Hospital in Kansas City
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/covid-19-is-very-different-in-young-kids-versus-adults-67637
That's good news, although the study was limited to ages 12 and under. It might serve as more evidence that the only ones returning full time would be elementary school kids.
Just because the study was for 12 and under, doesn't mean that everything is different once you turn 13.
Anonymous
06/17/2020 16:52
Subject: I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
Anonymous wrote:"Understanding transmission better could help inform public health policy as schools and childcare centers decide how and whether to reopen or not, says Schuster. “Initially, there was a lot of thought that this virus could be spread by children in congregate settings, which is common for other respiratory viruses like influenza. What we’re seeing more and more from the data that comes out is that child-to-child or child-to-adult spread is actually not common,” she says."
Schuster = Jennifer Schuster, a pediatric infectious disease physician at Children’s Mercy Hospital in Kansas City
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/covid-19-is-very-different-in-young-kids-versus-adults-67637
That's good news, although the study was limited to ages 12 and under. It might serve as more evidence that the only ones returning full time would be elementary school kids.
Anonymous
06/17/2020 16:48
Subject: I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
"Understanding transmission better could help inform public health policy as schools and childcare centers decide how and whether to reopen or not, says Schuster. “Initially, there was a lot of thought that this virus could be spread by children in congregate settings, which is common for other respiratory viruses like influenza. What we’re seeing more and more from the data that comes out is that child-to-child or child-to-adult spread is actually not common,” she says."
Schuster = Jennifer Schuster, a pediatric infectious disease physician at Children’s Mercy Hospital in Kansas City
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/covid-19-is-very-different-in-young-kids-versus-adults-67637
Schuster = Jennifer Schuster, a pediatric infectious disease physician at Children’s Mercy Hospital in Kansas City
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/covid-19-is-very-different-in-young-kids-versus-adults-67637
Anonymous
06/17/2020 16:47
Subject: I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
They’re not missing, it’s just different. And, yes, after hearing stories of how COVID has affected people and not being able to fully grasp the long term damage it can do, I prefer we find options to keep everyone healthy. Schools will close again if they open as normal in the fall as soon as teachers & students start getting sick... better to plan on and improve distance learning than have people get very sick and potentially die.
No, they're missing.
COVID is not the only health or public-health outcome, and "no school" is not an option that keeps everyone healthy.
+1. The fixation on Covid is short-sighted. And DL is not school. By offering it, school district is not fulfilling its mission and teachers are not fully doing their jobs. They are providing a bandaid. That was understandable when everybody was caught flat footed by the pandemic in March (thanks to the Trump administration), but it cannot be a long-term plan.
Anonymous
06/17/2020 16:40
Subject: I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
Anonymous wrote:
They’re not missing, it’s just different. And, yes, after hearing stories of how COVID has affected people and not being able to fully grasp the long term damage it can do, I prefer we find options to keep everyone healthy. Schools will close again if they open as normal in the fall as soon as teachers & students start getting sick... better to plan on and improve distance learning than have people get very sick and potentially die.
No, they're missing.
COVID is not the only health or public-health outcome, and "no school" is not an option that keeps everyone healthy.
Anonymous
06/17/2020 16:34
Subject: I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"I hate my kids and I want them gone. Make it happen or I shouldn't have to pay taxes on the house that I chose to purchase, knowing what the taxes would be. If I don't like something, I demand that people to lose their jobs. Teaching is easy and fun, but being home with my one child is impossible and terrible. The children are being sacrificed to save a bunch of old people who should just die already! Also child abuse is your fault because you should be able to prevent people from hitting their kids in their own homes." - parents
Sadly, this.
As long as people make these kinds of assumptions, we're not going to get anywhere reasonable. The degree of all or nothing thinking in which so many PPs are engaging is painful to see, and even more painful for society.
Anonymous
06/17/2020 16:13
Subject: I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"I hate my kids and I want them gone. Make it happen or I shouldn't have to pay taxes on the house that I chose to purchase, knowing what the taxes would be. If I don't like something, I demand that people to lose their jobs. Teaching is easy and fun, but being home with my one child is impossible and terrible. The children are being sacrificed to save a bunch of old people who should just die already! Also child abuse is your fault because you should be able to prevent people from hitting their kids in their own homes." - parents
"I love my kids and want them, and all of the other kids, to be in school learning, so that we don't ruin their future."
-parents
Oh, please! I love my kids and I prefer their teachers & our family stay healthy. Their future will not be ruined by a few more months of distance learning.
I don't know about your kids, but the other kids in MCPS already missed more than 1/4 of last year. Now you're saying that it's ok for them to miss another 1/4 of next year - half a year of school? Or more? I don't think that's ok at all.
They’re not missing, it’s just different. And, yes, after hearing stories of how COVID has affected people and not being able to fully grasp the long term damage it can do, I prefer we find options to keep everyone healthy. Schools will close again if they open as normal in the fall as soon as teachers & students start getting sick... better to plan on and improve distance learning than have people get very sick and potentially die.
Anonymous
06/17/2020 16:13
Subject: I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:"I hate my kids and I want them gone. Make it happen or I shouldn't have to pay taxes on the house that I chose to purchase, knowing what the taxes would be. If I don't like something, I demand that people to lose their jobs. Teaching is easy and fun, but being home with my one child is impossible and terrible. The children are being sacrificed to save a bunch of old people who should just die already! Also child abuse is your fault because you should be able to prevent people from hitting their kids in their own homes." - parents
"I love my kids and want them, and all of the other kids, to be in school learning, so that we don't ruin their future."
-parents
Oh, please! I love my kids and I prefer their teachers & our family stay healthy. Their future will not be ruined by a few more months of distance learning.
I don't know about your kids, but the other kids in MCPS already missed more than 1/4 of last year. Now you're saying that it's ok for them to miss another 1/4 of next year - half a year of school? Or more? I don't think that's ok at all.
Your kids opted out of distance learning?
If your kids were successful with "distance learning", hooray for them. I mean it sincerely. Hooray! But school it wasn't, even for the kids who were successful with it. Which most kids weren't.
Anonymous
06/17/2020 16:11
Subject: I'm so tired of the "think of the teachers and administrators" rhetoric on every thread.
Anonymous wrote:"I hate my kids and I want them gone. Make it happen or I shouldn't have to pay taxes on the house that I chose to purchase, knowing what the taxes would be. If I don't like something, I demand that people to lose their jobs. Teaching is easy and fun, but being home with my one child is impossible and terrible. The children are being sacrificed to save a bunch of old people who should just die already! Also child abuse is your fault because you should be able to prevent people from hitting their kids in their own homes." - parents
Sadly, this.