Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She only has a bachelors from JMU and a history of mental health and addiction issues…not sure that equips her to be put on a pedestal to dole out sage advice.
She very clearly says she is not doling out advice. She is sharing her experience, as are the guests on her show. Many women learn and grow from each other when they are willing to be vulnerable and feel like they aren't the only one. People who have a visceral reaction to her should seriously step back and think about why.
DP. My visceral reaction is because I actually knew her before she was famous and I can’t believe how many people fall for her schtick.
Anonymous wrote:What I find curious about Glennon is that her issues are often associated with/blamed on a difficult childhood. But she seems to be close to her parents and sister, so I don't totally get it.
Oh, and no way are she and Abby going to last.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would like to hear from everyone trashing her (and Elizabeth Gilbert and Oprah): who is your favorite woman thought leader?
Brene Brown - or is she a total basket case too?
Not a fan of Glennon Doyle (because I haven't read her books), but I'm not a fan of viciously tearing down women who put their voice out in the world either. Criticism, fine, the ferocity on this thread, not fine.
Roxane Gay
Isabel Wilkerson
The above two have real sh-t to say.
Roxane Gay has interesting things to say, but is vicious to other women. I’ve stopped reading her.
I now avoid Roxane Gay as well, after her Bad Art Friend behavior.
Re: Elizabeth Gilbert, Eat Pray Love was not for me (I threw it), but respect to her for helping people.
Besides Brene Brown, who else to read these days along these lines?
Agree with the bold.
Plus her behavior to the young college student. Too many anti-woman strikes for me.
Do you have a link that would describe what you're talking about regarding Roxane Gay? What is her "Bad Art Friend behavior"?
Google the NYT story Bad Art Friend, read the story, read the comments, and then read the followups in other media that delve into all the sidestory and all the facts that the original NYT screwed up. Roxane is a bully and a liar.
Anonymous wrote:I can't get on board with Glennon Doyle or influencers like her because I can never shake the feeling they are selling me an image of perfected imperfection. Glennon's like the poster child for this but there are a lot of influencers like this. I don't count Brene Brown in that group -- Brown talks about her own life experiences and her family sometimes, but her books/talks are focused on discussion of her research and most of her books focus on the experiences of people she has interviewed in order to draw broad conclusions about shame, vulnerability, communication, etc. She's not trying to create a cult of personality around herself, even if one has kind of developed anyway. I could find out tomorrow that Brown's marriage is falling apart and her kids hate her, and I don't think it would undermine anything I've learned from her. She's very trendy now, but most of the stuff of hers I've read is along the same lines as books I read by psychologists on stuff like healing from trauma or working through marital issues. It's based on collective and common experiences of many people.
Glennon is a different deal. I use the word influencer because it's accurate. She's selling you herself, her approach to life, her history, her relationship, her family. Initially she was selling traditional Christian motherhood and family, but you know, hip. Then she left her husband and married Abby, and now she's selling an image of a nontraditional family and life and she talks about co-parenting with Abby and her ex and dealing with her experience with meeting and falling for Abby. No issues with any of that as her story and experience, I just don't like how it's packaged and branded. I don't like that Abby is on her podcast or how public they are with their relationship, just like I didn't like it when she was writing Momastery and selling her hetero marriage in the same way. It feels fake.
This will piss some people off, but Glennon Doyle is no different than, like, Rachel Hollis to me (the Girl Wash Your Face woman). These people have normal human experiences, draw a few weak initial conclusions, and then write entire books about them and build an empire around it. They don't know anything. They are no more qualified to talk about life than your neighbor or your kid's 2nd grade teacher or the guy who works at the bookstore near my house. There's no there there.
I agree that at some point she and Abby will break up, and I think Glennon will write another book about how that experience taught her blah blah blah and she'll try to sell that version of herself too. How is this different than all the blonde momfluencers on Instagram trying to convince me they're "just like me" and then sell me Ruggables or whatever? It's not. It's a hustle and nothing more.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would like to hear from everyone trashing her (and Elizabeth Gilbert and Oprah): who is your favorite woman thought leader?
Brene Brown - or is she a total basket case too?
Not a fan of Glennon Doyle (because I haven't read her books), but I'm not a fan of viciously tearing down women who put their voice out in the world either. Criticism, fine, the ferocity on this thread, not fine.
Roxane Gay
Isabel Wilkerson
The above two have real sh-t to say.
Roxane Gay has interesting things to say, but is vicious to other women. I’ve stopped reading her.
I now avoid Roxane Gay as well, after her Bad Art Friend behavior.
Re: Elizabeth Gilbert, Eat Pray Love was not for me (I threw it), but respect to her for helping people.
Besides Brene Brown, who else to read these days along these lines?
Agree with the bold.
Plus her behavior to the young college student. Too many anti-woman strikes for me.
Do you have a link that would describe what you're talking about regarding Roxane Gay? What is her "Bad Art Friend behavior"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would like to hear from everyone trashing her (and Elizabeth Gilbert and Oprah): who is your favorite woman thought leader?
Brene Brown - or is she a total basket case too?
Not a fan of Glennon Doyle (because I haven't read her books), but I'm not a fan of viciously tearing down women who put their voice out in the world either. Criticism, fine, the ferocity on this thread, not fine.
Roxane Gay
Isabel Wilkerson
The above two have real sh-t to say.
Roxane Gay has interesting things to say, but is vicious to other women. I’ve stopped reading her.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would like to hear from everyone trashing her (and Elizabeth Gilbert and Oprah): who is your favorite woman thought leader?
Brene Brown - or is she a total basket case too?
Not a fan of Glennon Doyle (because I haven't read her books), but I'm not a fan of viciously tearing down women who put their voice out in the world either. Criticism, fine, the ferocity on this thread, not fine.
Roxane Gay
Isabel Wilkerson
The above two have real sh-t to say.
Roxane Gay has interesting things to say, but is vicious to other women. I’ve stopped reading her.
I now avoid Roxane Gay as well, after her Bad Art Friend behavior.
Re: Elizabeth Gilbert, Eat Pray Love was not for me (I threw it), but respect to her for helping people.
Besides Brene Brown, who else to read these days along these lines?
Agree with the bold.
Plus her behavior to the young college student. Too many anti-woman strikes for me.
Anonymous wrote:I can't get on board with Glennon Doyle or influencers like her because I can never shake the feeling they are selling me an image of perfected imperfection. Glennon's like the poster child for this but there are a lot of influencers like this. I don't count Brene Brown in that group -- Brown talks about her own life experiences and her family sometimes, but her books/talks are focused on discussion of her research and most of her books focus on the experiences of people she has interviewed in order to draw broad conclusions about shame, vulnerability, communication, etc. She's not trying to create a cult of personality around herself, even if one has kind of developed anyway. I could find out tomorrow that Brown's marriage is falling apart and her kids hate her, and I don't think it would undermine anything I've learned from her. She's very trendy now, but most of the stuff of hers I've read is along the same lines as books I read by psychologists on stuff like healing from trauma or working through marital issues. It's based on collective and common experiences of many people.
Glennon is a different deal. I use the word influencer because it's accurate. She's selling you herself, her approach to life, her history, her relationship, her family. Initially she was selling traditional Christian motherhood and family, but you know, hip. Then she left her husband and married Abby, and now she's selling an image of a nontraditional family and life and she talks about co-parenting with Abby and her ex and dealing with her experience with meeting and falling for Abby. No issues with any of that as her story and experience, I just don't like how it's packaged and branded. I don't like that Abby is on her podcast or how public they are with their relationship, just like I didn't like it when she was writing Momastery and selling her hetero marriage in the same way. It feels fake.
This will piss some people off, but Glennon Doyle is no different than, like, Rachel Hollis to me (the Girl Wash Your Face woman). These people have normal human experiences, draw a few weak initial conclusions, and then write entire books about them and build an empire around it. They don't know anything. They are no more qualified to talk about life than your neighbor or your kid's 2nd grade teacher or the guy who works at the bookstore near my house. There's no there there.
I agree that at some point she and Abby will break up, and I think Glennon will write another book about how that experience taught her blah blah blah and she'll try to sell that version of herself too. How is this different than all the blonde momfluencers on Instagram trying to convince me they're "just like me" and then sell me Ruggables or whatever? It's not. It's a hustle and nothing more.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Insufferable, as used on page one, is spot on. She is so, so annoying. I can't stand her.
+1
Anonymous wrote:Insufferable, as used on page one, is spot on. She is so, so annoying. I can't stand her.
Anonymous wrote:”Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She only has a bachelors from JMU and a history of mental health and addiction issues…not sure that equips her to be put on a pedestal to dole out sage advice.
She very clearly says she is not doling out advice. She is sharing her experience, as are the guests on her show. Many women learn and grow from each other when they are willing to be vulnerable and feel like they aren't the only one. People who have a visceral reaction to her should seriously step back and think about why.
DP. “My visceral reaction is because I actually knew her before she was famous and I can’t believe how many people fall for her schtick.
Oooh…spill the tea.. I need to know if my gut has been telling me the truth
”Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:She only has a bachelors from JMU and a history of mental health and addiction issues…not sure that equips her to be put on a pedestal to dole out sage advice.
She very clearly says she is not doling out advice. She is sharing her experience, as are the guests on her show. Many women learn and grow from each other when they are willing to be vulnerable and feel like they aren't the only one. People who have a visceral reaction to her should seriously step back and think about why.
DP. “My visceral reaction is because I actually knew her before she was famous and I can’t believe how many people fall for her schtick.