Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:27     Subject: FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wish the best for the players but these parents are sick in the head. Just stop with the discussion of another league. We don’t need another league. That is the conclusion of many people that know more than you and I. Here is what will happen.

1. FCV closes because the parents are insane and can’t accept reality that they need to find non-ECNL league.
2. The top 1-4 players at former DA teams have a shot at making elite ECNL teams,Bethesda, McLean and MUFC. Others have a shot at the mid and lower tier teams. Everyone else will have to find a different league.

Here is another reality, DA is this area was not that strong once you got past FCV. Basically you had average players whose parents bought into the asinine idea that spending a ton of money for a new league and increased travel would make their DD elite. Sorry but that is not how it works. I am sorry for what happened but it is time to move on.


#2 is laughable. Only the #1-4 players. Maybe YOUR ECNL team at YOUR age group is amazing, but it's not that way across the board, and lots of displacement can easily happen. No girl who has spent the last many years training 4-5x/week and NOT taking time off for HS soccer is going to be going to a "mid or low-level" team anywhere. Look at 04 and 05 age groups. All FCVs starters can make McLean or BRYC. All of them. Probably all 18 girls. And as someone pointed out earlier, if ECNL rosters are typically bigger than DA rosters, you are saying if the #5 rank order FCV girl could not displace the #25 ECNL girl. Not true. How many DA games in how many age groups have you watched? I wouldn't crow until it's over. The teams that remain will be better -- competition is good. But they won't be the same. Because competition is good. People who think their clubs will keep players for "loyalty" or "chemistry" are the ones sick in the head.


Isn’t that the truth! But I don’t think the whole team will move together. So stop scaring BRYC and Mclean.


PP Here. The arrogance is astounding. I have heard about it from other parents but now I can see why FCV was so despised and why it is not likely to get an ECNL spot. I am not affiliated with FCV but have seen the team play and know a few of the coaches. There is a ton of talent there and I considered it probably the deepest club across age groups in the area. That being said, you are delusional if you believe that more than the top four or five players will make a team. Just like any team, you have a few outliers, a large group of average players and few who are outside of their comfort zone. The sooner you realize that DA is gone and you need to start over, the better for you and your kid. FCV at the younger ages might be able to find spots at an ECNL team but U15 and above is a bit more complicated.


You might hate this process and it unfair to DA players but this needs to happen. We need to consolidate talent that plays each other in one league.

Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:26     Subject: Re:FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
Anonymous wrote:We're not scared. We'd welcome some new talent to our teams.


The whole 04 team would be gone except for Evan, Ashley and Ady. Sure you’re not scared.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:25     Subject: Re:FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
Anonymous wrote:what an absolute joke your little cartoon is. This is youth soccer we are talking about. Scared of what exactly? remind me as I'm missing it entirely


You might need a sense of humor but I guess if you don’t find it funny then your DD isn’t as safe as you’d like to believe.

There are no world beating rosters in ECNL locally. Everyone thinks their kids spot isn’t up for grabs until a new kid comes in.

You need to start thinking in terms like this, is my kid one of the top four at her position at her age in Northern VA? Because this is how it is gonna start to shake out. Now to be on the team you should ask is my kid one of the top 10 kids at her position at her age in Northern Virginia?

You want the influx in talent that is what the influx in talent will mean. There will be no club loyalty about this. Do you think FCV has both the success AND the bad reputation because being successful is about being loyal and nice?
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:15     Subject: Re:FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
what an absolute joke your little cartoon is. This is youth soccer we are talking about. Scared of what exactly? remind me as I'm missing it entirely
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:12     Subject: Re:FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
Anonymous wrote:We're not scared. We'd welcome some new talent to our teams.


Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:12     Subject: Re:FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
And there it is nicely stated by the previous poster

My daughter plays on one of these Non DA squads and I am pleased as can be an influx of new quality players is on the horizon. Bring it, happy to see some new blood join the team
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 17:02     Subject: Re:FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
We're not scared. We'd welcome some new talent to our teams.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 16:58     Subject: FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I wish the best for the players but these parents are sick in the head. Just stop with the discussion of another league. We don’t need another league. That is the conclusion of many people that know more than you and I. Here is what will happen.

1. FCV closes because the parents are insane and can’t accept reality that they need to find non-ECNL league.
2. The top 1-4 players at former DA teams have a shot at making elite ECNL teams,Bethesda, McLean and MUFC. Others have a shot at the mid and lower tier teams. Everyone else will have to find a different league.

Here is another reality, DA is this area was not that strong once you got past FCV. Basically you had average players whose parents bought into the asinine idea that spending a ton of money for a new league and increased travel would make their DD elite. Sorry but that is not how it works. I am sorry for what happened but it is time to move on.


#2 is laughable. Only the #1-4 players. Maybe YOUR ECNL team at YOUR age group is amazing, but it's not that way across the board, and lots of displacement can easily happen. No girl who has spent the last many years training 4-5x/week and NOT taking time off for HS soccer is going to be going to a "mid or low-level" team anywhere. Look at 04 and 05 age groups. All FCVs starters can make McLean or BRYC. All of them. Probably all 18 girls. And as someone pointed out earlier, if ECNL rosters are typically bigger than DA rosters, you are saying if the #5 rank order FCV girl could not displace the #25 ECNL girl. Not true. How many DA games in how many age groups have you watched? I wouldn't crow until it's over. The teams that remain will be better -- competition is good. But they won't be the same. Because competition is good. People who think their clubs will keep players for "loyalty" or "chemistry" are the ones sick in the head.


Isn’t that the truth! But I don’t think the whole team will move together. So stop scaring BRYC and Mclean.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 16:52     Subject: FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
Anonymous wrote:I wish the best for the players but these parents are sick in the head. Just stop with the discussion of another league. We don’t need another league. That is the conclusion of many people that know more than you and I. Here is what will happen.

1. FCV closes because the parents are insane and can’t accept reality that they need to find non-ECNL league.
2. The top 1-4 players at former DA teams have a shot at making elite ECNL teams,Bethesda, McLean and MUFC. Others have a shot at the mid and lower tier teams. Everyone else will have to find a different league.

Here is another reality, DA is this area was not that strong once you got past FCV. Basically you had average players whose parents bought into the asinine idea that spending a ton of money for a new league and increased travel would make their DD elite. Sorry but that is not how it works. I am sorry for what happened but it is time to move on.


#2 is laughable. Only the #1-4 players. Maybe YOUR ECNL team at YOUR age group is amazing, but it's not that way across the board, and lots of displacement can easily happen. No girl who has spent the last many years training 4-5x/week and NOT taking time off for HS soccer is going to be going to a "mid or low-level" team anywhere. Look at 04 and 05 age groups. All FCVs starters can make McLean or BRYC. All of them. Probably all 18 girls. And as someone pointed out earlier, if ECNL rosters are typically bigger than DA rosters, you are saying if the #5 rank order FCV girl could not displace the #25 ECNL girl. Not true. How many DA games in how many age groups have you watched? I wouldn't crow until it's over. The teams that remain will be better -- competition is good. But they won't be the same. Because competition is good. People who think their clubs will keep players for "loyalty" or "chemistry" are the ones sick in the head.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 16:46     Subject: FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The mentality demonstrates in this discussions should bother everyone. First, why do people feel the need to throw salt in the wounds of FCV players/parents. Second, the arrogance demonstrated by poopooing EDP is mind-boggling. I can understand players/parents desire to play ECNL but they have to think out of the box. The reality is that this area does not need seven elite teams. We also don’t need two national leagues. What is best is for the best FCV players to move to other clubs and others to find a team that fits their abilities. We don’t need DA v2. EDP might be the best place for some players and to be honest, there are competitive EDP teams. Maybe the non-stars can excel on an EDP team. Most top teams do play in the top showcases, which will become more relevant to college coaches.


Wow you are all over the map. You seem to be saying ECNL is better than whatever FCV teams will be doing and so the good players from FCV should leave but some should stay and be happy with their team/league? Very uplifting.


If ECNL is not adding any DA clubs then why wouldn’t those clubs stick together and form a rival league? And if the clubs involved were good enough for FCV players before then what has really changed other than the league name?

To think ECNL will not admit more DA clubs is laughable. They will and in so doing will put an end to rival leagues once and for all. The only thing that is taking time now is redrawing the map.


ECNL is not going to admit a bunch more GDA clubs. They have already picked off some of the top DA teams in the country over the last couple years. They also added ECNL teams in close proximity to rival DA teams over the last couple years. Yeah, ECNL may admit another couple ex-DA teams, but the majority of those ex-DA teams are going to have their top talent leave for their nearby ECNL teams. It is already happening. And all of the ECNL teams are about to get much better with the influx of talent from these ex-GDA clubs.

You also have to remember that another reason ECNL will not be able to add all of the ex-GDA teams is because of the showcases. If all of the ex-DAs teams joined ECNL for next season, ECNL would not be able to squeeze all the older age groups onto the same soccer complex, which is the primary benefit of the showcases for colleges and the players. As a result, there is a real cap on the number of ECNL teams that can be admitted right now.



Some clubs teams have a large pool of players. The players can play in two different leagues. If the player is a top performer then he/she plays in top league. Family make the travel commitment. The other player who is part of the same pool also gets to play in the B league. This helps all players in the pool train at high level, compete for spot in a game in league A, and get play time regardless of league A or B. Of course for this we’d need good coaches that select kids cause hard work.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 16:41     Subject: Re:FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
^strong*
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 16:41     Subject: FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The mentality demonstrates in this discussions should bother everyone. First, why do people feel the need to throw salt in the wounds of FCV players/parents. Second, the arrogance demonstrated by poopooing EDP is mind-boggling. I can understand players/parents desire to play ECNL but they have to think out of the box. The reality is that this area does not need seven elite teams. We also don’t need two national leagues. What is best is for the best FCV players to move to other clubs and others to find a team that fits their abilities. We don’t need DA v2. EDP might be the best place for some players and to be honest, there are competitive EDP teams. Maybe the non-stars can excel on an EDP team. Most top teams do play in the top showcases, which will become more relevant to college coaches.


Wow you are all over the map. You seem to be saying ECNL is better than whatever FCV teams will be doing and so the good players from FCV should leave but some should stay and be happy with their team/league? Very uplifting.


If ECNL is not adding any DA clubs then why wouldn’t those clubs stick together and form a rival league? And if the clubs involved were good enough for FCV players before then what has really changed other than the league name?

To think ECNL will not admit more DA clubs is laughable. They will and in so doing will put an end to rival leagues once and for all. The only thing that is taking time now is redrawing the map.


ECNL is not going to admit a bunch more GDA clubs. They have already picked off some of the top DA teams in the country over the last couple years. They also added ECNL teams in close proximity to rival DA teams over the last couple years. Yeah, ECNL may admit another couple ex-DA teams, but the majority of those ex-DA teams are going to have their top talent leave for their nearby ECNL teams. It is already happening. And all of the ECNL teams are about to get much better with the influx of talent from these ex-GDA clubs.

You also have to remember that another reason ECNL will not be able to add all of the ex-GDA teams is because of the showcases. If all of the ex-DAs teams joined ECNL for next season, ECNL would not be able to squeeze all the older age groups onto the same soccer complex, which is the primary benefit of the showcases for colleges and the players. As a result, there is a real cap on the number of ECNL teams that can be admitted right now.


There are still some top clubs nationally out there. If - and big if - they can stop the bleeding, their angle would have to be to try to stick together for showcase events and tournaments that will get their players seen. If those clubs do what is best for them individually in terms of league play, but can somehow manage to still get their players college looks, that might be worthwhile in the current economic/health climate. Less weekly travel, decent exposure -- I don't know that's the only path forward I'm seeing for these clubs.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 16:39     Subject: FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
Anonymous wrote:I wish the best for the players but these parents are sick in the head. Just stop with the discussion of another league. We don’t need another league. That is the conclusion of many people that know more than you and I. Here is what will happen.

1. FCV closes because the parents are insane and can’t accept reality that they need to find non-ECNL league.
2. The top 1-4 players at former DA teams have a shot at making elite ECNL teams,Bethesda, McLean and MUFC. Others have a shot at the mid and lower tier teams. Everyone else will have to find a different league.

Here is another reality, DA is this area was not that strong once you got past FCV. Basically you had average players whose parents bought into the asinine idea that spending a ton of money for a new league and increased travel would make their DD elite. Sorry but that is not how it works. I am sorry for what happened but it is time to move on.


Not much in this area was string including your ECNL team. Sorry, but if your kid is not a top 3-4 player she may lose a starting spot. If your kid is not a starter she is going to need to consider another team. Unless your DD is on one of 3 top ECNL TEAMS your team is nothing special.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 16:35     Subject: FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The mentality demonstrates in this discussions should bother everyone. First, why do people feel the need to throw salt in the wounds of FCV players/parents. Second, the arrogance demonstrated by poopooing EDP is mind-boggling. I can understand players/parents desire to play ECNL but they have to think out of the box. The reality is that this area does not need seven elite teams. We also don’t need two national leagues. What is best is for the best FCV players to move to other clubs and others to find a team that fits their abilities. We don’t need DA v2. EDP might be the best place for some players and to be honest, there are competitive EDP teams. Maybe the non-stars can excel on an EDP team. Most top teams do play in the top showcases, which will become more relevant to college coaches.


Wow you are all over the map. You seem to be saying ECNL is better than whatever FCV teams will be doing and so the good players from FCV should leave but some should stay and be happy with their team/league? Very uplifting.


If ECNL is not adding any DA clubs then why wouldn’t those clubs stick together and form a rival league? And if the clubs involved were good enough for FCV players before then what has really changed other than the league name?

To think ECNL will not admit more DA clubs is laughable. They will and in so doing will put an end to rival leagues once and for all. The only thing that is taking time now is redrawing the map.


ECNL is not going to admit a bunch more GDA clubs. They have already picked off some of the top DA teams in the country over the last couple years. They also added ECNL teams in close proximity to rival DA teams over the last couple years. Yeah, ECNL may admit another couple ex-DA teams, but the majority of those ex-DA teams are going to have their top talent leave for their nearby ECNL teams. It is already happening. And all of the ECNL teams are about to get much better with the influx of talent from these ex-GDA clubs.

You also have to remember that another reason ECNL will not be able to add all of the ex-GDA teams is because of the showcases. If all of the ex-DAs teams joined ECNL for next season, ECNL would not be able to squeeze all the older age groups onto the same soccer complex, which is the primary benefit of the showcases for colleges and the players. As a result, there is a real cap on the number of ECNL teams that can be admitted right now.


Players are not leaving clubs yet. There are no tryouts and coaches dont know every kid. In fact if ECNL is not adding any more clubs there is no reason for a coach to do anything more than take a name and number.

Anonymous
Post 04/17/2020 16:34     Subject: FCV parents - has anyone heard anything?
I wish the best for the players but these parents are sick in the head. Just stop with the discussion of another league. We don’t need another league. That is the conclusion of many people that know more than you and I. Here is what will happen.

1. FCV closes because the parents are insane and can’t accept reality that they need to find non-ECNL league.
2. The top 1-4 players at former DA teams have a shot at making elite ECNL teams,Bethesda, McLean and MUFC. Others have a shot at the mid and lower tier teams. Everyone else will have to find a different league.

Here is another reality, DA is this area was not that strong once you got past FCV. Basically you had average players whose parents bought into the asinine idea that spending a ton of money for a new league and increased travel would make their DD elite. Sorry but that is not how it works. I am sorry for what happened but it is time to move on.