Anonymous wrote:Can you all please stop holding China up as the shining example of how we should handle things?

It just sounds so clueless...

And yet they did a better job than we are doing. In China, OP would have been tested. Too bad she lives in a shithole country.

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Anonymous wrote:"there's no treatment so it doesn't matter" is the new "oh it's just a bad flu for most people."

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That doesn't make a treatment that doesn't exist actually appear.

Test matters.
No treatment yet.
Test won't get you treatment.
Test still matters for other reasons.

People are not pushing for TREATMENT. We are pushing for TESTING for all of those other very important reasons.

Here is a great example of someone not understanding that THERE ARE NO TESTS. You can tantrum for testing but that can’t happen without tests.

Yes, I’ve been complaining about the lack of tests for months.

That is the issue.

Can you all please stop holding China up as the shining example of how we should handle things?

It just sounds so clueless...

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Anonymous wrote:No test is not an excuse for the government not doing anything to help, people pay them tax to serve, especially in situation like this.

Staying in separate room doesn't solve the problem, especially for people living in apartment complex with central AC, there isn't enough space to be in total isolation in a 1 or 2 bedroom apartment either.

People who need test but couldn't get one should get in touch with media outlet for help, make your voice heard, if there are enough of you complaining, the government can figure out a strategy to deal with this group.

In Wuhan, China, they send people with symptom to a designated hotel, observe them and streamline testing them, it is important to separate them from healthy family members. Here when we say social distancing, it shouldn't be just with people not your immediate family, it is important to distance anyone if you have symptom.

Also regarding to the test, they could just take the test kits recommend by WHO or buy it from other countries, we put our lives on hold and some families really can't afford living like this for a long time, shouldn't the government do their best to get whatever test available? This is not the time for pride, CDC.

And of course, doing the test also help understand the disease.

This is all inaccurate.

Then why there are no test?

Anonymous wrote:No test is not an excuse for the government not doing anything to help, people pay them tax to serve, especially in situation like this.

Staying in separate room doesn't solve the problem, especially for people living in apartment complex with central AC, there isn't enough space to be in total isolation in a 1 or 2 bedroom apartment either.

People who need test but couldn't get one should get in touch with media outlet for help, make your voice heard, if there are enough of you complaining, the government can figure out a strategy to deal with this group.

In Wuhan, China, they send people with symptom to a designated hotel, observe them and streamline testing them, it is important to separate them from healthy family members. Here when we say social distancing, it shouldn't be just with people not your immediate family, it is important to distance anyone if you have symptom.

Also regarding to the test, they could just take the test kits recommend by WHO or buy it from other countries, we put our lives on hold and some families really can't afford living like this for a long time, shouldn't the government do their best to get whatever test available? This is not the time for pride, CDC.

And of course, doing the test also help understand the disease.

This is all inaccurate.

No test is not an excuse for the government not doing anything to help, people pay them tax to serve, especially in situation like this.

Staying in separate room doesn't solve the problem, especially for people living in apartment complex with central AC, there isn't enough space to be in total isolation in a 1 or 2 bedroom apartment either.

People who need test but couldn't get one should get in touch with media outlet for help, make your voice heard, if there are enough of you complaining, the government can figure out a strategy to deal with this group.

In Wuhan, China, they send people with symptom to a designated hotel, observe them and streamline testing them, it is important to separate them from healthy family members. Here when we say social distancing, it shouldn't be just with people not your immediate family, it is important to distance anyone if you have symptom.

Also regarding to the test, they could just take the test kits recommend by WHO or buy it from other countries, we put our lives on hold and some families really can't afford living like this for a long time, shouldn't the government do their best to get whatever test available? This is not the time for pride, CDC.

And of course, doing the test also help understand the disease.

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Anonymous wrote:There are treatments being tried.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30071-0/fulltext

Patients diagnosed with viral pneumonia require isolation and SARS-CoV-2 tests (measure 3). Systemic and local respiratory defense mechanisms are compromised, resulting in bacterial co-infection if early, effective antiviral treatment is not started. Empirical therapy consists of oral moxifloxacin or levofloxacin (consider tolerance) and arbidol. Arbidol is approved in China and Russia for influenza treatment. In-vitro studies showed that arbidol had inhibitory effects on SARS.2 Patients testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 are transferred to designated hospitals.

Exactly. I highly doubt these “oh well, no tests, such is life,” would be so complacent were they getting sick right now. Give it time, though.

You maybe did not read the first sentence of the quotation? This only applies to patients with viral pneumonia.

Anonymous wrote:There are treatments being tried.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30071-0/fulltext

Patients diagnosed with viral pneumonia require isolation and SARS-CoV-2 tests (measure 3). Systemic and local respiratory defense mechanisms are compromised, resulting in bacterial co-infection if early, effective antiviral treatment is not started. Empirical therapy consists of oral moxifloxacin or levofloxacin (consider tolerance) and arbidol. Arbidol is approved in China and Russia for influenza treatment. In-vitro studies showed that arbidol had inhibitory effects on SARS.2 Patients testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 are transferred to designated hospitals.

You don't diagnose a viral pneumonia by the test the OP was asking about. If you have a viral pneumonia, that's different -- but it is not diagnosed by that test.

The article you cite is now out of date, because things are moving rapidly. Later research showed that chest CTs are not as sensitive as earlier thought. And chest CTs are hundreds of x-rays worth of radiation at once, raising your risk of developing cancer there.

This is a protocol suggested by these authors. It is not a treatment that is being tried in the US yet. A positive test would not have gotten this treatment for OP, unless she were in certain places in China (certainly not everywhere). It made sense in the context they were working in, but as the authors acknowledge, it would have to be adapted, because ti was specific to context.

They should still treat you, tested or not. Right?
If you difficulty breathing just call the hospital and tell them you’re coming over.

There are tests. They are being kept for high risk cases and hospital admissions. Op thinks because she is an educated white woman that she should be given one but it isn't going to work that way. Whining to the news is just going to make her look bad.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"there's no treatment so it doesn't matter" is the new "oh it's just a bad flu for most people."

+1

+1

That doesn't make a treatment that doesn't exist actually appear.

Test matters.
No treatment yet.
Test won't get you treatment.
Test still matters for other reasons.

People are not pushing for TREATMENT. We are pushing for TESTING for all of those other very important reasons.

Here is a great example of someone not understanding that THERE ARE NO TESTS. You can tantrum for testing but that can’t happen without tests.

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Anonymous wrote:"there's no treatment so it doesn't matter" is the new "oh it's just a bad flu for most people."

Nope. "There's no treatment, so there is no treatment. The test matters -- at this point -- for reasons other than getting treatment, because -- there is no treatment."

No treatment.
Test matters, but not for treatment (at this point).

We need more tests, but not because that will mean we can treat more people.

There is treatment. In China they use anti-virals and traditional Chinese medicine.

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Anonymous wrote:What would you do differently?

NP. A test would allow OP to know if she needs to quarantine for an extended time even once better. She would know whether she needs to advise people she’s been in close contact with over the last 2 weeks. People may be more willing to quarantine if they know they had exposure to a positive person than just someone with a vague fever. It would give us a better idea where possible clusters may be cropping up.

I really don’t understand the idea that testing isn’t important if you’re being treated at home.

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Anti-science people don’t care about testing.

And stupid people don’t seem to get that there are no tests.

People understand there are no tests. It’s the stupid people who don’t realize why we have no tests.

LOL. Nope. This thread is perfect evidence that people don’t understand there are no tests.

Who thinks there are tests? That’s why everyone is upset - because we DON’T have enough tests.

Testing and contact tracing are key to minimizing spread. If we never get tests, we are fcked.

Complain about the lack of tests. Push the government for more tests.

Read the thread you’re responding to before commenting.

Anonymous wrote:There are treatments being tried.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30071-0/fulltext

Patients diagnosed with viral pneumonia require isolation and SARS-CoV-2 tests (measure 3). Systemic and local respiratory defense mechanisms are compromised, resulting in bacterial co-infection if early, effective antiviral treatment is not started. Empirical therapy consists of oral moxifloxacin or levofloxacin (consider tolerance) and arbidol. Arbidol is approved in China and Russia for influenza treatment. In-vitro studies showed that arbidol had inhibitory effects on SARS.2 Patients testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 are transferred to designated hospitals.

Exactly. I highly doubt these “oh well, no tests, such is life,” would be so complacent were they getting sick right now. Give it time, though.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"there's no treatment so it doesn't matter" is the new "oh it's just a bad flu for most people."

+1

+1

That doesn't make a treatment that doesn't exist actually appear.

Test matters.
No treatment yet.
Test won't get you treatment.
Test still matters for other reasons.

People are not pushing for TREATMENT. We are pushing for TESTING for all of those other very important reasons.