Anonymous
03/22/2020 08:15
Subject: If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We've been asked to pay 90% of tuition for April, which we'll do. Hoping that things will become more normal in May.
Woah!!!
Seriously, glad you got it like that! Only 10% off? Why even bother?
Sounds like that center is still paying their staff and their landlord, and the expenses that they are no longer having while closed (catering, etc) amount to about 10% of the total, so they are doing the right thing by passing those savings on to their clients. The words you are looking for are "thank you".
That leaves the owner still making 100% of his normal profit. Somehow it seems right for her to also be taking a big haircut. And that assumes that no effort has been made to work out somewhat of a deal with the landlord, who has a strong incentive to not have a tenant leave in the current economic climate.
Why exactly should the parents, many of who may have precarious job positions, be the only ones to be sacrificing here?
LOL that you think any daycare is ever making a profit. Seriously lolololol. Huge chains excepted, but seriously, your statement just shows how clueless you are. Just because the monthly bill for you is big doesn’t mean anyone’s getting rich.
Of course daycares are making a profit. How do you think they stay in business if they are not? And many of the “huge chains” are franchises, meaning that the local owner has to pay an additional fee to corporate. Even non-franchises have greater central overhead expenses, so I wouldn’t assume that corporate centers necessarily make more than a well run local center.
Even if owners are not “getting rich,” they are owners of profitable businesses that should be expected to share in the pain of the current crisis. As should their landlords.
It’s crazy that you think the parents, most of whom are also “not rich,” should be the only ones sacrificing here.
You’re just totally wrong. I’ve directed three well regarded NAEYC accredited centers, and whatever “profit” you think these places are making is non-existent. Sometimes there’s a good year—100% enrollment, all tuition paid on time, maybe a small grant or two—and we could put some in reserves. Others we ended in the red and used those reserves. Most usually we just had exactly as much coming in as going out.
You don't say that you are a center director? I never would have guessed that by the positions you are advocating for.
These are businesses. They make money or they do not stay in business. They may choose to distribute the profits each year in the form of salary to the owners (this is particularly true in centers that are organized as "non-profits"), but that does not mean that they are not profitable businesses that bring in more revenue than they spend.
My center, which is part of a locally owned chain-let (I'm not sure I would even call it that. They have expanded to 4 or 5 centers over time.), sent out an email talking about how the business had been in operation for 30 years, had been started by his mother, etc. These have been profitable businesses that have supported at least two generations of the family. That has been their main, if not sole, source of income through these years.
From what I know of the family, they are not "rich," but they make a good living through their business. I don't begrudge them that. There is no shame in a business making money.
Anonymous
03/22/2020 08:08
Subject: If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We've been asked to pay 90% of tuition for April, which we'll do. Hoping that things will become more normal in May.
Woah!!!
Seriously, glad you got it like that! Only 10% off? Why even bother?
Sounds like that center is still paying their staff and their landlord, and the expenses that they are no longer having while closed (catering, etc) amount to about 10% of the total, so they are doing the right thing by passing those savings on to their clients. The words you are looking for are "thank you".
That leaves the owner still making 100% of his normal profit.
Math is not your strong suit, is it?
Fine, the owner takes a very slight hit to profit, but that's only if you assume that tuition is the only revenue.
Say tuition is 120 and expenses are 100 -- that would leave 20 as profit.
A 10% reduction in tuition and 10% reduction would leave 108 in revenue and 90 in expenses -- leaving 18 as profit.
So the owner gets to retain 90% of his profit, while customers pay 90% of the normal fee, even though they receive 0% of the normal service. That strikes you as reasonable?
Anonymous
03/22/2020 08:03
Subject: If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We've been asked to pay 90% of tuition for April, which we'll do. Hoping that things will become more normal in May.
Woah!!!
Seriously, glad you got it like that! Only 10% off? Why even bother?
Sounds like that center is still paying their staff and their landlord, and the expenses that they are no longer having while closed (catering, etc) amount to about 10% of the total, so they are doing the right thing by passing those savings on to their clients. The words you are looking for are "thank you".
That leaves the owner still making 100% of his normal profit. Somehow it seems right for her to also be taking a big haircut. And that assumes that no effort has been made to work out somewhat of a deal with the landlord, who has a strong incentive to not have a tenant leave in the current economic climate.
Why exactly should the parents, many of who may have precarious job positions, be the only ones to be sacrificing here?
LOL that you think any daycare is ever making a profit. Seriously lolololol. Huge chains excepted, but seriously, your statement just shows how clueless you are. Just because the monthly bill for you is big doesn’t mean anyone’s getting rich.
Of course daycares are making a profit. How do you think they stay in business if they are not? And many of the “huge chains” are franchises, meaning that the local owner has to pay an additional fee to corporate. Even non-franchises have greater central overhead expenses, so I wouldn’t assume that corporate centers necessarily make more than a well run local center.
Even if owners are not “getting rich,” they are owners of profitable businesses that should be expected to share in the pain of the current crisis. As should their landlords.
It’s crazy that you think the parents, most of whom are also “not rich,” should be the only ones sacrificing here.
You’re just totally wrong. I’ve directed three well regarded NAEYC accredited centers, and whatever “profit” you think these places are making is non-existent. Sometimes there’s a good year—100% enrollment, all tuition paid on time, maybe a small grant or two—and we could put some in reserves. Others we ended in the red and used those reserves. Most usually we just had exactly as much coming in as going out.
Anonymous
03/22/2020 07:49
Subject: If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We've been asked to pay 90% of tuition for April, which we'll do. Hoping that things will become more normal in May.
Woah!!!
Seriously, glad you got it like that! Only 10% off? Why even bother?
Sounds like that center is still paying their staff and their landlord, and the expenses that they are no longer having while closed (catering, etc) amount to about 10% of the total, so they are doing the right thing by passing those savings on to their clients. The words you are looking for are "thank you".
That leaves the owner still making 100% of his normal profit.
Math is not your strong suit, is it?
Anonymous
03/22/2020 07:47
Subject: If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We've been asked to pay 90% of tuition for April, which we'll do. Hoping that things will become more normal in May.
Woah!!!
Seriously, glad you got it like that! Only 10% off? Why even bother?
Sounds like that center is still paying their staff and their landlord, and the expenses that they are no longer having while closed (catering, etc) amount to about 10% of the total, so they are doing the right thing by passing those savings on to their clients. The words you are looking for are "thank you".
That leaves the owner still making 100% of his normal profit. Somehow it seems right for her to also be taking a big haircut. And that assumes that no effort has been made to work out somewhat of a deal with the landlord, who has a strong incentive to not have a tenant leave in the current economic climate.
Why exactly should the parents, many of who may have precarious job positions, be the only ones to be sacrificing here?
Anonymous
03/22/2020 07:22
Subject: If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
Yet no one is complaining that public school teachers are still getting paid!
Treating the teachers of the youngest children with the least respect and pay is why it’s so hard to find enough qualified teachers for children 0-5 — crucial, fundamental years.
Treating the teachers of the youngest children with the least respect and pay is why it’s so hard to find enough qualified teachers for children 0-5 — crucial, fundamental years.
Anonymous
03/22/2020 07:20
Subject: If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We've been asked to pay 90% of tuition for April, which we'll do. Hoping that things will become more normal in May.
Woah!!!
Seriously, glad you got it like that! Only 10% off? Why even bother?
Sounds like that center is still paying their staff and their landlord, and the expenses that they are no longer having while closed (catering, etc) amount to about 10% of the total, so they are doing the right thing by passing those savings on to their clients. The words you are looking for are "thank you".
That leaves the owner still making 100% of his normal profit. Somehow it seems right for her to also be taking a big haircut. And that assumes that no effort has been made to work out somewhat of a deal with the landlord, who has a strong incentive to not have a tenant leave in the current economic climate.
Why exactly should the parents, many of who may have precarious job positions, be the only ones to be sacrificing here?
LOL that you think any daycare is ever making a profit. Seriously lolololol. Huge chains excepted, but seriously, your statement just shows how clueless you are. Just because the monthly bill for you is big doesn’t mean anyone’s getting rich.
Of course daycares are making a profit. How do you think they stay in business if they are not? And many of the “huge chains” are franchises, meaning that the local owner has to pay an additional fee to corporate. Even non-franchises have greater central overhead expenses, so I wouldn’t assume that corporate centers necessarily make more than a well run local center.
Even if owners are not “getting rich,” they are owners of profitable businesses that should be expected to share in the pain of the current crisis. As should their landlords.
It’s crazy that you think the parents, most of whom are also “not rich,” should be the only ones sacrificing here.
Anonymous
03/22/2020 00:35
Subject: If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
If the daycare is setup as a non profit and we continue paying while closed, would the donation be tax deductible?
Anonymous
03/21/2020 23:34
Subject: Re:If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
Anonymous wrote:I consider the people who I trust to care for my child 40+ hours a week, to administer CPR if she’s choking, to cuddle her if she’s having a tough day, a “special class.” I will be doing what I can to ensure they get paid as much as possible during this time.
The parents at our preschool who are throwing the biggest fits seem to be the ones with no immediate financial concerns, who have never themselves had to worry about surviving on A few hundred dollars a week unemployment or applying for medicaid. This crisis is really bringing out people’s true colors.
This is so true. I know a couple who makes $500k+ combined (at my conservative estimate), the husband's parents paid all cash for their $1.5M house, the wife is always wearing Gucci or Channel, and they have a live-in nanny (yes their kids go to daycare full time but they've always had a live-in nanny) plus the help from the kids' grandparents. In other words they are not incurring any additional childcare cost due to COVID-19. Yet they are the loudest about trying to get refund from daycare. Makes me really wonder how low some people can be.
DH and I make significantly less than them and we came from not-so-wealthy family too. But we have no problem continuing paying our daycare, b/c at least at this point we are still living comfortably and not worrying about survival. That said, I fully understand people who are facing financial hardship wanting to stop paying daycare.
Anonymous
03/21/2020 20:47
Subject: If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We've been asked to pay 90% of tuition for April, which we'll do. Hoping that things will become more normal in May.
Woah!!!
Seriously, glad you got it like that! Only 10% off? Why even bother?
Sounds like that center is still paying their staff and their landlord, and the expenses that they are no longer having while closed (catering, etc) amount to about 10% of the total, so they are doing the right thing by passing those savings on to their clients. The words you are looking for are "thank you".
That leaves the owner still making 100% of his normal profit. Somehow it seems right for her to also be taking a big haircut. And that assumes that no effort has been made to work out somewhat of a deal with the landlord, who has a strong incentive to not have a tenant leave in the current economic climate.
Why exactly should the parents, many of who may have precarious job positions, be the only ones to be sacrificing here?
LOL that you think any daycare is ever making a profit. Seriously lolololol. Huge chains excepted, but seriously, your statement just shows how clueless you are. Just because the monthly bill for you is big doesn’t mean anyone’s getting rich.
Anonymous
03/21/2020 20:43
Subject: If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We've been asked to pay 90% of tuition for April, which we'll do. Hoping that things will become more normal in May.
Woah!!!
Seriously, glad you got it like that! Only 10% off? Why even bother?
Sounds like that center is still paying their staff and their landlord, and the expenses that they are no longer having while closed (catering, etc) amount to about 10% of the total, so they are doing the right thing by passing those savings on to their clients. The words you are looking for are "thank you".
That leaves the owner still making 100% of his normal profit. Somehow it seems right for her to also be taking a big haircut. And that assumes that no effort has been made to work out somewhat of a deal with the landlord, who has a strong incentive to not have a tenant leave in the current economic climate.
Why exactly should the parents, many of who may have precarious job positions, be the only ones to be sacrificing here?
Anonymous
03/21/2020 20:30
Subject: Re:If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
I posted this on the Northam / child care thread, ut I’m going to leave it here too:
Our center in VA is part of a hospital system. They’ve a asked everyone who is non-essential to stay home to make room for additional emergency care... and to keep paying tuition. Some parents are really pissed about it—strangely the most vocal are the ones who are seemingly the most privileged with the most time on their hands.
Having previously worked in child care as a teacher and director, I realize I’m currently in a privileged position... I can telework, my boss is understanding, and I’m still getting paid, and so I’ll keep paying my tuition. I realize at this point my tuition is subsidizing emergency care for emergency personnel. There will eventually be some public relief and I’ll call it a wash.
If this goes on for months, I stop getting paid, or I lose my job, that’s another discussion, but it’s not solved by creating a huge angry parent mob like some at my program are trying to do. The center was very accommodating in waiving tuition for several months when I was unemployed at one point, and I would approach them privately again if that was the case.
People, this is why child care needs to be a public service and not a fragile system supported on the backs of parents and teachers. Vote blue.
Our center in VA is part of a hospital system. They’ve a asked everyone who is non-essential to stay home to make room for additional emergency care... and to keep paying tuition. Some parents are really pissed about it—strangely the most vocal are the ones who are seemingly the most privileged with the most time on their hands.
Having previously worked in child care as a teacher and director, I realize I’m currently in a privileged position... I can telework, my boss is understanding, and I’m still getting paid, and so I’ll keep paying my tuition. I realize at this point my tuition is subsidizing emergency care for emergency personnel. There will eventually be some public relief and I’ll call it a wash.
If this goes on for months, I stop getting paid, or I lose my job, that’s another discussion, but it’s not solved by creating a huge angry parent mob like some at my program are trying to do. The center was very accommodating in waiving tuition for several months when I was unemployed at one point, and I would approach them privately again if that was the case.
People, this is why child care needs to be a public service and not a fragile system supported on the backs of parents and teachers. Vote blue.
Anonymous
03/21/2020 19:10
Subject: Re:If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
Anonymous wrote:I consider the people who I trust to care for my child 40+ hours a week, to administer CPR if she’s choking, to cuddle her if she’s having a tough day, a “special class.” I will be doing what I can to ensure they get paid as much as possible during this time.
The parents at our preschool who are throwing the biggest fits seem to be the ones with no immediate financial concerns, who have never themselves had to worry about surviving on A few hundred dollars a week unemployment or applying for medicaid. This crisis is really bringing out people’s true colors.
+1000
Anonymous
03/21/2020 19:09
Subject: If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We've been asked to pay 90% of tuition for April, which we'll do. Hoping that things will become more normal in May.
Woah!!!
Seriously, glad you got it like that! Only 10% off? Why even bother?
Sounds like that center is still paying their staff and their landlord, and the expenses that they are no longer having while closed (catering, etc) amount to about 10% of the total, so they are doing the right thing by passing those savings on to their clients. The words you are looking for are "thank you".
Anonymous
03/21/2020 18:52
Subject: If your daycare or childcare provider closed due to coronavirus, are they still requiring you to pay
Lock these do gooders up. Let Mark Cuban foot the bill for small businesses. We can barely afford it now with our situation