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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:For the PPs talking about Quander and Cedar. Neither are alternative schools. They are public separate day schools for students with emotional disability and some on the autism spectrum.

The alternative schools in the county are Mt View in Centreville and Bryant in Alexandria. There are also alternative programs through interagency alternative schools. They are located at sites throughout the county. Most likely these kids will he assigned to one of these places for a semester to a year. Then they will be allowed to return to a regular school (depending on behavior), but not Oakton because there’s an victim still attending there.

Thank god! I hope this is true! My kids will know if these perps are back at oakton! I feel so sad for the victim. Jesus!

Do your kids know if they are there now? My DS says the main perpetrator is “suspended indefinitely” during the investigation but is unsure if the others are still at school. Like PP, my kid knows (but is not friends with) 2 of the kids involved; he knows one other kid just by name. Also says bullying of the victim has been ongoing.

Physical bullying?

Also, the kids that are are thrown out can choose another school, like some of the new schools that have appeared in the area in recent years. People should know.

Kid's brought up the hearing's office, removed, and then allowed to return to a base school do not get to choose which school they return to. It's an administrative decision based mostly on transportation.

From the Students Rights and Responsbilities:

Possession of Other Weapons
The following violation may result in a suspension from school for up to five days unlessthe principal makes a referral to the Division Superintendent, in which event the principalmay suspend for up to ten days.
Possession of any other weapon. As employed herein, the term “other weapon” shallmean any object of any nature (other than a statutory weapon or those described inChapter II.A.5.b.) that can be used to threaten and/or harm another person. Examples ofother weapons include but shall not be limited to: any knife of less than three inches (otherthan a switchblade knife), nunchaku, brass knuckles, spring stick, throwing star, stunweapon, taser, mace, pepper spray, ammunition, spring loaded pellet gun, razor blade,any studded accessory, studded collar, chain collar, or similar article of clothing; and anyobject that is designed to look like (but not to function as) a statutory weapon, such as animitation handgun.

Anonymous wrote:A couple of thoughts:

1) a stun gun is not lethal (unless there are underlying medical issues. So, it is not attempted murder.

2) this kind of behavior has been occurring for at least 40 years in FCPS schools to the kids who are "different". (40 years ago, I got a "Dirty Swirly" after gym class in a neighboring FCPS school; 20 kids were involved in the assault. Gym teacher did not care. school just moved me to another gym class. I still have nightmares about it. Police woere called but nothing happened.

3) The penalty for this (in criminal court) is suprisingly light for a first offense.

4) We do not know what the school is doing as punishments are usually private.

Thank you for your rational thoughts and apologies for what happened to you in school. That is horrible.

Can any lawyers chime in here? The noise of the crowd is swift and deafening on posts like these but truth and justice take time. What are the facts here and what is the likely outcomes?

Anonymous wrote:Also any weapon brought onto school property is grounds for expulsion.

Honest questions; as an fcps parent, what prevents me/us from initiating a police investigation first? Same happened w Thoreau incident - mom went to the school first.

It it better to call police, then perhaps retain your own attorney, then go from there?

A kid got expelled for having a 4 inch Swiss knife in the trunk of his car. He left it in his car from camping. If you get expelled for that, you should get expelled for this.

Anonymous wrote:Reminder:

When your child reports being attacked on school grounds, CALL POLICE and file a police report immediately. Do not wait to contact the school first. School systems have restorative justice procedures that conflict directly with evidence preservation and accurate witness reports. The result is that if the school starts their procedures before police arrives, it is harder to get a conviction for the perpetrators and justice for the victims.

+1

Anonymous wrote:My DD saw only the victim yesterday. But she has a class with him-not the others.

I know the names of 2 of the thugs and the victim. I’m so tempted to share the names of the thugs! Or at least the community name of where these perps live. But...I won’t.

Maybe more relevant are their Insta or Twitter handles.

https://oaktonhs.fcps.edu/index.php/staff-directory?keywords=&field_last_name_from=&field_last_name_to=&items_per_page=10&page=12

Had a discussion with my DS last night about the importance of telling an adult if he ever sees anyone hurting anyone.

I hope the victim in this case knows how many people want to support him and lift him up ( and his parents too). All the best to them.

Locker room assaults are a huge problem in the county. The coaches know it happens, the kids all see it happen, the principals get reports, conduct their little “faux” investigations, and sweep everything under the rug and move on. There is no supervision and our kids are NOT safe. At least not at Oakton or Westfield HS.

To all parents of kids who have been bullied- please find a good therapist, preferably outside of FCPS. I can recommend Joe Cabush, he helped my son through a difficult time recently. The admins and counseling staff were cruel and incompetent.

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Anonymous wrote:Actually, va law is clear. Stun guns are forbidden on school grounds, it’s a misdemeanor offense to bring one to school. I imagine it’s felony assault to actually use one on a person. If not, I foresee lots of stun gunning not just in FCPS but in the state. Why not?! I can be a bully, stun another, then my friends can hold him or her down, stun them again and none of us will get arrested?! Wonderful!

No. These losers will be arrested. If not, it’s a precedent for others and no arrests could be made.

FCPS and FCPD are being watched on this one by those in the legal profession.

Possibly a test for the new progressive prosecutor if and when it potentially comes to that following an investigation?

Are you nuts? A juvie case won’t be that visible. And he sure as hell isn’t going to charge some HS freshmen as adults.

Anonymous wrote:Actually, va law is clear. Stun guns are forbidden on school grounds, it’s a misdemeanor offense to bring one to school. I imagine it’s felony assault to actually use one on a person. If not, I foresee lots of stun gunning not just in FCPS but in the state. Why not?! I can be a bully, stun another, then my friends can hold him or her down, stun them again and none of us will get arrested?! Wonderful!

No. These losers will be arrested. If not, it’s a precedent for others and no arrests could be made.

FCPS and FCPD are being watched on this one by those in the legal profession.

Possibly a test for the new progressive prosecutor if and when it potentially comes to that following an investigation?

Anonymous wrote:Isn’t Oakton one of better high schools in Fairfax county? Hope this is an isolated incident.

Weird snob school back in the 90s. No idea now.

Anonymous wrote:A couple of thoughts:

1) a stun gun is not lethal (unless there are underlying medical issues. So, it is not attempted murder.

2) this kind of behavior has been occurring for at least 40 years in FCPS schools to the kids who are "different". (40 years ago, I got a "Dirty Swirly" after gym class in a neighboring FCPS school; 20 kids were involved in the assault. Gym teacher did not care. school just moved me to another gym class. I still have nightmares about it. Police woere called but nothing happened.

3) The penalty for this (in criminal court) is suprisingly light for a first offense.

4) We do not know what the school is doing as punishments are usually private.

I am very sorry. What a horrible ordeal you suffered.