Honestly, if there is stuff there someone should capture it and post it. And if not let it go. APS has a lot of serious issues, I hope this race is about those.

I will say the tone on AEM this morning on the Key thread is highly disturbing. Lots of out and out nastiness there.

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Anonymous wrote:So how is Symone divisive? I worked with her on school poverty concentration issues and she get it - concentrated poverty in schools is bad for everyone.

Get her going and you will regret it! No point in even having a conversation sometimes. Major tunnel vision.

+1. If you think she is intolerable on AEM, try meeting her in person. Zero sense of perspective or reality and super-rude to boot.

I don't know her that well, but I used to work with her. I thought she was practical and likeable. She had a good reputation in our office. The description of her on this forum doesn't seem accurate to me.

I'm a dp and I agree with this. I have spoken with her on a few occasions and found her to be pleasant and thoughtful. I basically intend to vote for her- although my mind is not entirely made up. I primarily have interacted with her on reading issues.

Well, yeah- if she thinks you’re on the same page on an issue she’ll treat you with respect. But leaders at the national AND local levels should treat people of differing opinions with respect. That is what’s missing here, and it’s a big part of what’s wrong with our country right now. I can’t vote for someone who vilifies people that she doesn’t agree with. It’s bad enough when that person is just another community member.

But spouting anonymous, vague accusations about a person with the guts to run for public office is totally model behavior, right? Link to a video of what you describe? Nothing? Then it’s a personal grudge, and should be valued as such.

Dig through AEM posts. Those of us who have read them know that there’s nothing vague about the accusations. I don’t have a personal grudge, but I can read.

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Anonymous wrote:So how is Symone divisive? I worked with her on school poverty concentration issues and she get it - concentrated poverty in schools is bad for everyone.

Get her going and you will regret it! No point in even having a conversation sometimes. Major tunnel vision.

+1. If you think she is intolerable on AEM, try meeting her in person. Zero sense of perspective or reality and super-rude to boot.

I don't know her that well, but I used to work with her. I thought she was practical and likeable. She had a good reputation in our office. The description of her on this forum doesn't seem accurate to me.

I'm a dp and I agree with this. I have spoken with her on a few occasions and found her to be pleasant and thoughtful. I basically intend to vote for her- although my mind is not entirely made up. I primarily have interacted with her on reading issues.

Well, yeah- if she thinks you’re on the same page on an issue she’ll treat you with respect. But leaders at the national AND local levels should treat people of differing opinions with respect. That is what’s missing here, and it’s a big part of what’s wrong with our country right now. I can’t vote for someone who vilifies people that she doesn’t agree with. It’s bad enough when that person is just another community member.

But spouting anonymous, vague accusations about a person with the guts to run for public office is totally model behavior, right? Link to a video of what you describe? Nothing? Then it’s a personal grudge, and should be valued as such.

NP, but huh? A video? What are you talking about? That's the standard for judging people's behavior when they're running for local office? I see posters here and on AEM referencing offensive comments made by public officials all the time without video proof, because the comments were made during SB office hours or an advisory group meeting or whatever and wasn't recorded. But if you really need proof of what PP is talking about, there's plenty of written record on AEM.

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Anonymous wrote:So how is Symone divisive? I worked with her on school poverty concentration issues and she get it - concentrated poverty in schools is bad for everyone.

Get her going and you will regret it! No point in even having a conversation sometimes. Major tunnel vision.

+1. If you think she is intolerable on AEM, try meeting her in person. Zero sense of perspective or reality and super-rude to boot.

I don't know her that well, but I used to work with her. I thought she was practical and likeable. She had a good reputation in our office. The description of her on this forum doesn't seem accurate to me.

I'm a dp and I agree with this. I have spoken with her on a few occasions and found her to be pleasant and thoughtful. I basically intend to vote for her- although my mind is not entirely made up. I primarily have interacted with her on reading issues.

Well, yeah- if she thinks you’re on the same page on an issue she’ll treat you with respect. But leaders at the national AND local levels should treat people of differing opinions with respect. That is what’s missing here, and it’s a big part of what’s wrong with our country right now. I can’t vote for someone who vilifies people that she doesn’t agree with. It’s bad enough when that person is just another community member.

But spouting anonymous, vague accusations about a person with the guts to run for public office is totally model behavior, right? Link to a video of what you describe? Nothing? Then it’s a personal grudge, and should be valued as such.

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Anonymous wrote:So how is Symone divisive? I worked with her on school poverty concentration issues and she get it - concentrated poverty in schools is bad for everyone.

Get her going and you will regret it! No point in even having a conversation sometimes. Major tunnel vision.

+1. If you think she is intolerable on AEM, try meeting her in person. Zero sense of perspective or reality and super-rude to boot.

I don't know her that well, but I used to work with her. I thought she was practical and likeable. She had a good reputation in our office. The description of her on this forum doesn't seem accurate to me.

I'm a dp and I agree with this. I have spoken with her on a few occasions and found her to be pleasant and thoughtful. I basically intend to vote for her- although my mind is not entirely made up. I primarily have interacted with her on reading issues.

Well, yeah- if she thinks you’re on the same page on an issue she’ll treat you with respect. But leaders at the national AND local levels should treat people of differing opinions with respect. That is what’s missing here, and it’s a big part of what’s wrong with our country right now. I can’t vote for someone who vilifies people that she doesn’t agree with. It’s bad enough when that person is just another community member.

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Anonymous wrote:So how is Symone divisive? I worked with her on school poverty concentration issues and she get it - concentrated poverty in schools is bad for everyone.

Get her going and you will regret it! No point in even having a conversation sometimes. Major tunnel vision.

+1. If you think she is intolerable on AEM, try meeting her in person. Zero sense of perspective or reality and super-rude to boot.

I don't know her that well, but I used to work with her. I thought she was practical and likeable. She had a good reputation in our office. The description of her on this forum doesn't seem accurate to me.

I'm a dp and I agree with this. I have spoken with her on a few occasions and found her to be pleasant and thoughtful. I basically intend to vote for her- although my mind is not entirely made up. I primarily have interacted with her on reading issues.

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Anonymous wrote:So how is Symone divisive? I worked with her on school poverty concentration issues and she get it - concentrated poverty in schools is bad for everyone.

Get her going and you will regret it! No point in even having a conversation sometimes. Major tunnel vision.

+1. If you think she is intolerable on AEM, try meeting her in person. Zero sense of perspective or reality and super-rude to boot.

I don't know her that well, but I used to work with her. I thought she was practical and likeable. She had a good reputation in our office. The description of her on this forum doesn't seem accurate to me.

Sandy’s site suggests she is at least prepared to make decisions that are grounded in facts rather than ideology.

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Anonymous wrote:So how is Symone divisive? I worked with her on school poverty concentration issues and she get it - concentrated poverty in schools is bad for everyone.

Get her going and you will regret it! No point in even having a conversation sometimes. Major tunnel vision.

+1. If you think she is intolerable on AEM, try meeting her in person. Zero sense of perspective or reality and super-rude to boot.

The argument isn’t that “we” don’t want “these” people living here. “They” do live in the western pike and that will never change. Many of the people who oppose more cafs are Latino and African American and older who have watched their nest egg lose value over the years while the rest of Arlington and even the more eastern areas of the pike go up in values. These are not wealthy people, but barely middle class who had hoped to reap the benefit of home equity to bring their families solidly into the middle class. Property is the single greatest ticket to the middle class and while most property owners in Arlington have benefitted, the western pike has not, especially the condo and duplex owners.

The argument is that when the pike plan was being developed (by developers, especially caf developers), the community was told that it would bring mixed income buildings and amenities. All that the neighborhood got was more cafs. I can’t say it was an outright lie, but I suspect the community was sold a bag of goods to keep them quiet. The housing people in the county and caf advocates will argue that 80% ami is mixed income, it is not. The street car was supposed to help and it never happened.

The argument is that concentration of poverty has been researched to death and almost all conclusions are that it impedes student achievement and leaves to generational poverty for all but a few token students. Cities across the nation have tried to break up concentration of poverty to improve schools.

Crime crime crime. More poverty brings more crime. There is lots of along the western pike. There is a lot of poverty for an area that is mostly residential- it isn’t as dense as the metro corridors. Just ask any cop.

Zero amenities. Doctors and dentists and fast food. And a laundry mat. The economic study of the pike tried to soften the facts, but the reality is that the western pike only caters to the poorest of people, and people with some money must leave the neighborhood. Most businesses do not want to locate there. Why? Surrounding neighborhoods have low education, high poverty and crime and little disposable income. Look at the pike Econ study. Centro is new and the developers admitted they took a huge risk. Let’s hope they stay in business, the place is always empty. Orange theory doesn’t have a chance. The only other tenant is a doctor and optometrist. Huge sections still not rented... see a pattern??

So, many people who have any property interests, and even renters, oppose more cafs. They want better schools, they want less crime, they want more amenities that cater the middle class. our housing does not support that. AHC has been itching to build infill, expand what they have. NO NO NO. AHC operates its cafs along the western pike like slums. Multiple families living in squalid conditions. APAH recently has been focusing elsewhere- good for you APAH. Wesley, they are building a new caf on the south end of Buckingham, the poorest section of the county zoned to the one school in north Arlington that has about 60% families qualified from frl. Bravo-NOT.

Yes I am passionate about this subject. The neighborhoods plan that provides disincentives to build market rate housing, and requires 30% caf for all net new units along the pike is being reconsidered next year. The board and caf advocates are terrified of amazon and think it is a reason to build more cafs along the pike, even though there is no evidence that rents are pricing people out bc of Amazon. If you care about these issues, at all, advocate and organize or be lost in the dust.

I don't think Arlington is going to go for county wide busing.

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Anonymous wrote:PP who mentioned the Minnesota study. I agree that Arlington does not use zoning to help south Arlington. But I think the board needs to be reminded about the poverty concentration caveat with Minnesota. If they like the way Minnesota does it, do it like them.

It is possible to stop a caf development. You have to attend housing commission meetings and closely monitor arlington’s development website. The housing commission itself is useless because it is predominantly people tied to affordable housing, but you can make your voice heard and ON RECORD. And, you can meet with individual county board members, speak at board meetings and write letters. It works. I have done it. But you have to have a group, especially if you can get your civic association. ONLY way to stop a caf if you are a private citizen.

What was your argument? How did you say “I don’t want those people living near me” in a way that got traction?

The more relevant question is "What neighborhood do you live in."

Did anyone see AEM? Symone said she was all in favor of Maura's equity article but then she was completely silent when someone asked her HOW she would accomplish it.

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Anonymous wrote:PP who mentioned the Minnesota study. I agree that Arlington does not use zoning to help south Arlington. But I think the board needs to be reminded about the poverty concentration caveat with Minnesota. If they like the way Minnesota does it, do it like them.

It is possible to stop a caf development. You have to attend housing commission meetings and closely monitor arlington’s development website. The housing commission itself is useless because it is predominantly people tied to affordable housing, but you can make your voice heard and ON RECORD. And, you can meet with individual county board members, speak at board meetings and write letters. It works. I have done it. But you have to have a group, especially if you can get your civic association. ONLY way to stop a caf if you are a private citizen.

What was your argument? How did you say “I don’t want those people living near me” in a way that got traction?

The more relevant question is "What neighborhood do you live in."

Anonymous wrote:PP who mentioned the Minnesota study. I agree that Arlington does not use zoning to help south Arlington. But I think the board needs to be reminded about the poverty concentration caveat with Minnesota. If they like the way Minnesota does it, do it like them.

It is possible to stop a caf development. You have to attend housing commission meetings and closely monitor arlington’s development website. The housing commission itself is useless because it is predominantly people tied to affordable housing, but you can make your voice heard and ON RECORD. And, you can meet with individual county board members, speak at board meetings and write letters. It works. I have done it. But you have to have a group, especially if you can get your civic association. ONLY way to stop a caf if you are a private citizen.

What was your argument? How did you say “I don’t want those people living near me” in a way that got traction?

PP who mentioned the Minnesota study. I agree that Arlington does not use zoning to help south Arlington. But I think the board needs to be reminded about the poverty concentration caveat with Minnesota. If they like the way Minnesota does it, do it like them.

It is possible to stop a caf development. You have to attend housing commission meetings and closely monitor arlington’s development website. The housing commission itself is useless because it is predominantly people tied to affordable housing, but you can make your voice heard and ON RECORD. And, you can meet with individual county board members, speak at board meetings and write letters. It works. I have done it. But you have to have a group, especially if you can get your civic association. ONLY way to stop a caf if you are a private citizen.