Anonymous
12/31/2019 22:36
Subject: Re:MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Kids with uneducated parents come to school unprepared. Kids from dysfunctional homes have chronic behavioral issues that teachers cant handle. Parents don't want this type of peer group for their kids since they bring nothing to the table.
All I'm seeing a lot of excuses to justify continued segregation that results in some kids getting a lesser education than others.
The top students currently at the high Farm schools will no longer be the top students if they are moved to the low Farm schools. I don't believe that this is helping anyone.
Anonymous
12/31/2019 09:11
Subject: Re:MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Kids with uneducated parents come to school unprepared. Kids from dysfunctional homes have chronic behavioral issues that teachers cant handle. Parents don't want this type of peer group for their kids since they bring nothing to the table.
All I'm seeing a lot of excuses to justify continued segregation that results in some kids getting a lesser education than others.
My theory is that MCPS is failing *all* students, but parents in wealthier districts spend a ton of time and money supplementing so it isn't noticed. I'm not blaming teachers, mind you. Most teachers my kids have had work really hard within the set parameters. But the curriculum sucks, and based on a different thread on this board, I've concluded that math teachers are trained to let kids "figure it out." ' Nice in theory, but most don't. In some schools, it seems like they do because either parents teach them at home or they hire tutors. In other districts, this doesn't happen and the kids fall farther and farther behind.
How much time and money do you, personally, spend supplementing? The number of tutors I have hired so far is 0 - and my oldest child is a junior in high school.
I spent $0. My kids are in the magnet too. We're just lucky I guess to live in an area with good schools so they got a great head start.
Anonymous
12/31/2019 08:51
Subject: Re:MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Kids with uneducated parents come to school unprepared. Kids from dysfunctional homes have chronic behavioral issues that teachers cant handle. Parents don't want this type of peer group for their kids since they bring nothing to the table.
All I'm seeing a lot of excuses to justify continued segregation that results in some kids getting a lesser education than others.
My theory is that MCPS is failing *all* students, but parents in wealthier districts spend a ton of time and money supplementing so it isn't noticed. I'm not blaming teachers, mind you. Most teachers my kids have had work really hard within the set parameters. But the curriculum sucks, and based on a different thread on this board, I've concluded that math teachers are trained to let kids "figure it out." ' Nice in theory, but most don't. In some schools, it seems like they do because either parents teach them at home or they hire tutors. In other districts, this doesn't happen and the kids fall farther and farther behind.
How much time and money do you, personally, spend supplementing? The number of tutors I have hired so far is 0 - and my oldest child is a junior in high school.
Anonymous
12/31/2019 08:49
Subject: Re:MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Kids with uneducated parents come to school unprepared. Kids from dysfunctional homes have chronic behavioral issues that teachers cant handle. Parents don't want this type of peer group for their kids since they bring nothing to the table.
All I'm seeing a lot of excuses to justify continued segregation that results in some kids getting a lesser education than others.
My theory is that MCPS is failing *all* students, but parents in wealthier districts spend a ton of time and money supplementing so it isn't noticed. I'm not blaming teachers, mind you. Most teachers my kids have had work really hard within the set parameters. But the curriculum sucks, and based on a different thread on this board, I've concluded that math teachers are trained to let kids "figure it out." ' Nice in theory, but most don't. In some schools, it seems like they do because either parents teach them at home or they hire tutors. In other districts, this doesn't happen and the kids fall farther and farther behind.
Anonymous
12/31/2019 08:46
Subject: MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Do the Title I schools in MCPS have two teachers per classroom? That’s how it’s done in the district I grew up in (Upstate New York). They don’t really have much of a central office so most of the Title I funds seems to go directly to the classroom.
I’d like to see a study on whether that’s more effective in reducing the achievement gap than having all the central office initiatives to help the schools (bet it is!)
I’d like to see a study on whether that’s more effective in reducing the achievement gap than having all the central office initiatives to help the schools (bet it is!)
Anonymous
12/31/2019 08:43
Subject: Re:MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Anonymous wrote:Kids with uneducated parents come to school unprepared. Kids from dysfunctional homes have chronic behavioral issues that teachers cant handle. Parents don't want this type of peer group for their kids since they bring nothing to the table.
Some revealing statements, there.
Those "uneducated parents" are parents too - just like you're a parent.
And their kids are the kids you don't want as a peer group for your kids -- because you think their kids have nothing to offer.
Anonymous
12/31/2019 08:35
Subject: Re:MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Anonymous wrote:Kids with uneducated parents come to school unprepared. Kids from dysfunctional homes have chronic behavioral issues that teachers cant handle. Parents don't want this type of peer group for their kids since they bring nothing to the table.
All I'm seeing a lot of excuses to justify continued segregation that results in some kids getting a lesser education than others.
Anonymous
12/31/2019 08:33
Subject: Re:MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Anonymous wrote:Do we really think that sending black and Spanish kids to neighborhoods their parents can’t afford will make them do better? Magic white kid proximity smarts ?
Most of the studies show kids leaving underfunded districts going to rich white districts which isn’t the case here
Most of the golden ratios for these (loaded) papers are much lower than can be achieved in MoCo. Good luck getting 20% farms in silver spring
The controls are rarely stringent. The take a few motivated poor kids and boom they do better, even though they were the motivated kids to start with and they would have done ok just about anywhere. Even if you concede that one less kid will fail if you move a bunch of poor kids to a rich school, what does that do for the 95% you left at the old school? They are still poor minorities in a school that scores about as well as poor minorities do. Or do you think the 5% white kids shipped in while show the other 95% how to study?
All the credible studies show that low-income students perform better at schools with less concentrated poverty. This is about giving everyone the best possible education.
Anonymous
12/31/2019 07:16
Subject: MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So why are some schools in a public system good while others are not?
Because we, as a society, have decided that rich people deserve better public services than poor people.
So there is a basis for a lawsuit since MCPS is not properly maintaining facilities in schools with poorer populations, providing them with ineffective curriculum, assigning the least-competent teachers (and guidance counselors), and placing the worst principals in those schools.
Teachers and counselors aren't for the most part placed anywhere. We can choose which schools we're interested in working at, and most of us look at factors like commute and admin team first. I don't prioritize or eliminate schools because they're high poverty.
Amazingly, teachers and counselors make job decisions for the same reasons as anybody else...
Anonymous
12/31/2019 07:15
Subject: MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Super-impressed, as always, by DCUM's argument that schools attended by lots of poor kids are, simultaneously,
1. better, AND
2. terrible.
1. better, AND
2. terrible.
Anonymous
12/31/2019 01:43
Subject: MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So why are some schools in a public system good while others are not?
Because we, as a society, have decided that rich people deserve better public services than poor people.
So there is a basis for a lawsuit since MCPS is not properly maintaining facilities in schools with poorer populations, providing them with ineffective curriculum, assigning the least-competent teachers (and guidance counselors), and placing the worst principals in those schools.
Teachers and counselors aren't for the most part placed anywhere. We can choose which schools we're interested in working at, and most of us look at factors like commute and admin team first. I don't prioritize or eliminate schools because they're high poverty.
Anonymous
12/30/2019 23:04
Subject: MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So why are some schools in a public system good while others are not?
Because we, as a society, have decided that rich people deserve better public services than poor people.
Except the rich do not receive (or deserve) better services. More resources are provided to schools that serve poor students than rich students.
Sure! That's why everybody in the affluent DCUM demographic flocks to schools attended mostly by poor students! Because those schools receive better services!
Wait, what?
If you dont know anything about MCPS, go read a few of their documents on extra resources for title one and focus schools. Most people support extra funding for needy students and schools on Montgomery County.
So you think those schools provide a better education?
Their education is supported with greater resources. Whether they receive a better education is hard to say. They do not have better educational results, but that is not a function of lack of resources.
Don't you think it's odd, though, that if these schools provide better public services, many affluent people in Montgomery County do all they can to avoid sending their children to these schools?
No, not at all. These schools are failing, notwithstanding them receiving substantially greater resources.
In other words, they *don't* provide better public services.
May I aak you if you have any kids? If you have more than one child, you should know that your kids are not identical clones. Some of them are taller and some of them are shorter. One kid may be a star student but another may struggle to learn multiplication. Every child/student has different academical potential and different learning style. Please don't tell me that you expect all your children to receive same test scores in all subjects.
It is MCPS’s job to teach every student. If MCPS could not make the students in poor school to learn, MCPS needs to figure it out how to for it. By the way, they achievement gap is not unique to Montgomery County.
Anonymous
12/30/2019 22:34
Subject: Re:MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Do we really think that sending black and Spanish kids to neighborhoods their parents can’t afford will make them do better? Magic white kid proximity smarts ?
Most of the studies show kids leaving underfunded districts going to rich white districts which isn’t the case here
Most of the golden ratios for these (loaded) papers are much lower than can be achieved in MoCo. Good luck getting 20% farms in silver spring
The controls are rarely stringent. The take a few motivated poor kids and boom they do better, even though they were the motivated kids to start with and they would have done ok just about anywhere. Even if you concede that one less kid will fail if you move a bunch of poor kids to a rich school, what does that do for the 95% you left at the old school? They are still poor minorities in a school that scores about as well as poor minorities do. Or do you think the 5% white kids shipped in while show the other 95% how to study?
Most of the studies show kids leaving underfunded districts going to rich white districts which isn’t the case here
Most of the golden ratios for these (loaded) papers are much lower than can be achieved in MoCo. Good luck getting 20% farms in silver spring
The controls are rarely stringent. The take a few motivated poor kids and boom they do better, even though they were the motivated kids to start with and they would have done ok just about anywhere. Even if you concede that one less kid will fail if you move a bunch of poor kids to a rich school, what does that do for the 95% you left at the old school? They are still poor minorities in a school that scores about as well as poor minorities do. Or do you think the 5% white kids shipped in while show the other 95% how to study?
Anonymous
12/30/2019 22:17
Subject: MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So why are some schools in a public system good while others are not?
Because we, as a society, have decided that rich people deserve better public services than poor people.
Except the rich do not receive (or deserve) better services. More resources are provided to schools that serve poor students than rich students.
Sure! That's why everybody in the affluent DCUM demographic flocks to schools attended mostly by poor students! Because those schools receive better services!
Wait, what?
If you dont know anything about MCPS, go read a few of their documents on extra resources for title one and focus schools. Most people support extra funding for needy students and schools on Montgomery County.
So you think those schools provide a better education?
Their education is supported with greater resources. Whether they receive a better education is hard to say. They do not have better educational results, but that is not a function of lack of resources.
Don't you think it's odd, though, that if these schools provide better public services, many affluent people in Montgomery County do all they can to avoid sending their children to these schools?
No, not at all. These schools are failing, notwithstanding them receiving substantially greater resources.
In other words, they *don't* provide better public services.
What "better public services" would magically lead to a school with a significant population that doesn't speak English and doesn't have parents who are able or willing to provide support and/or supplementation to have comparable outcomes with a school where students speak English at home and have educated parents who are able to support (both in terms of resources and knowledge?
Anonymous
12/30/2019 22:12
Subject: MCPS High School Boundary Map? Current.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
So why are some schools in a public system good while others are not?
Because we, as a society, have decided that rich people deserve better public services than poor people.
So there is a basis for a lawsuit since MCPS is not properly maintaining facilities in schools with poorer populations, providing them with ineffective curriculum, assigning the least-competent teachers (and guidance counselors), and placing the worst principals in those schools.