Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 17:50     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
I haven’t read most of the responses but my kid used to be at a title 1 and is now at a lottery school with 6% farms.
Let me tell you, it’s day and night.
The school is better if the vast majority of parents helps it, even if by making sure their kids are ready to learn.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 17:36     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
This entire thing is anonymous so we only guess at who each of us is or could be. I hope you find what you’re looking for. I’m going to keep working on this. Hope we all see good things Dow. The line.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 17:26     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
Anonymous wrote:We already said we don’t care if you leave.


You may not care, but you're a random nobody on a message board. City leadership cares, which is why your idiotic Coolidge idea will never happen. Cheers.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 17:22     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Yeah, according to MySchoolDC (https://www.myschooldc.org/schools/profile/27), 73% of Coolidge students got a 1 on English PARCC and 44% on got a 1 in math. I'm willing to do some stuff for equity, but sending my kid to a school with those numbers is absolutely not on that list. Every parent I know well is in the same boat -- they would all move, go private or homeschool. If 600 Wilson students were zoned to Coolidge more than 400 would withdraw from DCPS.

It's weird to me that anybody seriously suggests this kind of solution. It's a little bit like Elizabeth Warren suggesting a 3% annual tax on the total wealth of billionaires. Billionaires would literally hire a trillion dollars worth of lobbying talent in order to defeat that idea. What makes anyone think anything like that would ever actually happen in the real world?

Or are we just amusing ourselves talking about a fantasy world unconnected to real life? If that's the game we're playing, then my proposal is that we use magic to make Wilson bigger on the inside than on the outside, like the tents in Harry Potter.


Nah, billionaires are a bit more civic-minded than that. And it wouldn't hurt them or their children. If part of Warren's plan involved sending the children of billionaires to low-rated schools, then they might all pack up and move Europe.


Ah, so fantasy world it is then. OK, in that case, I want a pool inside my Harry Potter tent. I will be able to swim around with David Koch's ghost and he can tell me all about his tireless efforts to lower his taxes and eliminate worker protections that cost him an almost imperceptible fraction of his income (way less than 3% of his TOTAL WEALTH every year). Cheers.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 17:16     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But if 600 kids from Wilson were re-zoned to Coolidge, for example, the "high performing" cohort would be large enough to support the advanced kids basically immediately. Re-zone Shepherd and Lafayette, boom, it's done. (Coolidge had 310 kids in 17-18).

And the first few years of kids who enroll would have a rougher around the edges experience, but they'd also benefit pretty substantially in college admissions because they would far outperform Coolidge's "historic" stats.


You assume parents with options would sheepishly comply. Incorrect - they would go private or move.




Yeah, according to MySchoolDC (https://www.myschooldc.org/schools/profile/27), 73% of Coolidge students got a 1 on English PARCC and 44% on got a 1 in math. I'm willing to do some stuff for equity, but sending my kid to a school with those numbers is absolutely not on that list. Every parent I know well is in the same boat -- they would all move, go private or homeschool. If 600 Wilson students were zoned to Coolidge more than 400 would withdraw from DCPS.

It's weird to me that anybody seriously suggests this kind of solution. It's a little bit like Elizabeth Warren suggesting a 3% annual tax on the total wealth of billionaires. Billionaires would literally hire a trillion dollars worth of lobbying talent in order to defeat that idea. What makes anyone think anything like that would ever actually happen in the real world?

Or are we just amusing ourselves talking about a fantasy world unconnected to real life? If that's the game we're playing, then my proposal is that we use magic to make Wilson bigger on the inside than on the outside, like the tents in Harry Potter.


You do understand that if 600 passing students were to re-zoned, the percentage of kids getting 1% would be more like 20% right?


Sigh. You’re clearly not listening. If 600 students were re-zoned, zero of them would actually attend Coolidge. Our kids aren’t resources for DCPS to move around. We don’t HAVE to live in DC or use DCPS.


You also don't HAVE to have any additional resources directed to Wilson, so enjoy.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 17:16     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
We already said we don’t care if you leave.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 17:12     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But if 600 kids from Wilson were re-zoned to Coolidge, for example, the "high performing" cohort would be large enough to support the advanced kids basically immediately. Re-zone Shepherd and Lafayette, boom, it's done. (Coolidge had 310 kids in 17-18).

And the first few years of kids who enroll would have a rougher around the edges experience, but they'd also benefit pretty substantially in college admissions because they would far outperform Coolidge's "historic" stats.


You assume parents with options would sheepishly comply. Incorrect - they would go private or move.




Yeah, according to MySchoolDC (https://www.myschooldc.org/schools/profile/27), 73% of Coolidge students got a 1 on English PARCC and 44% on got a 1 in math. I'm willing to do some stuff for equity, but sending my kid to a school with those numbers is absolutely not on that list. Every parent I know well is in the same boat -- they would all move, go private or homeschool. If 600 Wilson students were zoned to Coolidge more than 400 would withdraw from DCPS.

It's weird to me that anybody seriously suggests this kind of solution. It's a little bit like Elizabeth Warren suggesting a 3% annual tax on the total wealth of billionaires. Billionaires would literally hire a trillion dollars worth of lobbying talent in order to defeat that idea. What makes anyone think anything like that would ever actually happen in the real world?

Or are we just amusing ourselves talking about a fantasy world unconnected to real life? If that's the game we're playing, then my proposal is that we use magic to make Wilson bigger on the inside than on the outside, like the tents in Harry Potter.


You do understand that if 600 passing students were to re-zoned, the percentage of kids getting 1% would be more like 20% right?


Sigh. You’re clearly not listening. If 600 students were re-zoned, zero of them would actually attend Coolidge. Our kids aren’t resources for DCPS to move around. We don’t HAVE to live in DC or use DCPS.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 16:46     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
You're the person saying we can't redistrict to make more students go to Roosevelt, Coolidge, CHEC, Cardozo, whatever, everybody stays at Wilson and we build on another floor. Or something that amounts to that right?

These schools are nondiverse because everybody wants into Wilson and we do nothing about it.

Nondiverse isn't about the APIs. You do get this, you are a highly educated person with children who crave accelerated learning!
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 16:41     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:what I'm saying is take your money and kids and go. DC isn't at 700,000 residents and flush with cash because of Upper Upper. It's people who moved in, live in places like Navy Yard, and would love it if you took your little Brett Kavanaughs out to whatever's past chevy chase.


An attitude like this certainly isn't helpful if the goal is to improve the job DCPS is doing to educate students. Better to chase out the high-achieving ones than to suffer their inconvenient presence.


If you’re the reason why Roosevelt high school has no diversity why would I want you? You are literally an impediment to improvement.


You're making no sense at all. Apparently, if there are no pacific islanders at Roosevelt, you're saying it's the fault of the pacific islanders?
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 16:35     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:what I'm saying is take your money and kids and go. DC isn't at 700,000 residents and flush with cash because of Upper Upper. It's people who moved in, live in places like Navy Yard, and would love it if you took your little Brett Kavanaughs out to whatever's past chevy chase.


An attitude like this certainly isn't helpful if the goal is to improve the job DCPS is doing to educate students. Better to chase out the high-achieving ones than to suffer their inconvenient presence.


If you’re the reason why Roosevelt high school has no diversity why would I want you? You are literally an impediment to improvement.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 16:27     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
Anonymous wrote:what I'm saying is take your money and kids and go. DC isn't at 700,000 residents and flush with cash because of Upper Upper. It's people who moved in, live in places like Navy Yard, and would love it if you took your little Brett Kavanaughs out to whatever's past chevy chase.


Agree. DC has a budget surplus because of the young people (~20-35) who live here and DO NOT have children.

Families with kids generally consume far more city resources (schools, parks, recreation classes, dependent tax deductions) than people without. The city really doesn't care if you are here or not. "Keeping families in the city" is just not a metric that matters. Further, the city knows that the children of families in Upper NW are highly likely not to return to the city to live post-college. The ones who stay are the high-needs kids. They need to get those kids to grade level so they can earn a living, and not wind up on TANF/SNAP/Medicaid.

"Closing the achievement' gap is as much about workforce development as anything else.

Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 16:16     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
Anonymous wrote:what I'm saying is take your money and kids and go. DC isn't at 700,000 residents and flush with cash because of Upper Upper. It's people who moved in, live in places like Navy Yard, and would love it if you took your little Brett Kavanaughs out to whatever's past chevy chase.


An attitude like this certainly isn't helpful if the goal is to improve the job DCPS is doing to educate students. Better to chase out the high-achieving ones than to suffer their inconvenient presence.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 16:13     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
what I'm saying is take your money and kids and go. DC isn't at 700,000 residents and flush with cash because of Upper Upper. It's people who moved in, live in places like Navy Yard, and would love it if you took your little Brett Kavanaughs out to whatever's past chevy chase.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 16:09     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The problem is that it’s the high SES families that are expected to accept risk without any concessions or guarantees. If DCPS were to remove, say, Lafayette from Deal they better darn well guarantee in an EOTP school there will be tracking, zero tolerance for disruptive students and those with poor attendance, crack down on residency fraud, etc. But DCPS will never do that. So instead they try to sell some immeasurable benefit like our kids will be “able to work well diverse groups in the future.” That’s just not enough.


100% correct. And "your kid will be fine because they are high SES" is also missing the mark. "Fine" is not -- nor will it ever be -- enough for this cohort of WOTP families.


Great, then enjoy your over-crowded HS and MS and stfu.


So that's the answer: We won't help you because you want your kids to do too well. Gotcha.

You know, in many cities, they actually want their students to be high achieving?


Nope. It's that if you refuse a pro-social, community-minded solution to allocating scarce resources, then the system is not going to go out of its way to help you. You've made clear that you believe you are your own little special island in DCPS, so that's what you'll get.


It’s a bit rich that the families paying the most property taxes and contributing most to DCPS are supposed to STFU rather than expect a challenging education for high performing kids.


No you're a bit rich.

And who says we're here for you?


Nice attitude. Who says my hard-earned money is here for you? Especially when I can easily relocate just over the line?

Be careful what you wish for.
Anonymous
Post 09/12/2019 16:07     Subject: S/O High SES students will perform well no matter their peer group
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:But if 600 kids from Wilson were re-zoned to Coolidge, for example, the "high performing" cohort would be large enough to support the advanced kids basically immediately. Re-zone Shepherd and Lafayette, boom, it's done. (Coolidge had 310 kids in 17-18).

And the first few years of kids who enroll would have a rougher around the edges experience, but they'd also benefit pretty substantially in college admissions because they would far outperform Coolidge's "historic" stats.


You assume parents with options would sheepishly comply. Incorrect - they would go private or move.




Yeah, according to MySchoolDC (https://www.myschooldc.org/schools/profile/27), 73% of Coolidge students got a 1 on English PARCC and 44% on got a 1 in math. I'm willing to do some stuff for equity, but sending my kid to a school with those numbers is absolutely not on that list. Every parent I know well is in the same boat -- they would all move, go private or homeschool. If 600 Wilson students were zoned to Coolidge more than 400 would withdraw from DCPS.

It's weird to me that anybody seriously suggests this kind of solution. It's a little bit like Elizabeth Warren suggesting a 3% annual tax on the total wealth of billionaires. Billionaires would literally hire a trillion dollars worth of lobbying talent in order to defeat that idea. What makes anyone think anything like that would ever actually happen in the real world?

Or are we just amusing ourselves talking about a fantasy world unconnected to real life? If that's the game we're playing, then my proposal is that we use magic to make Wilson bigger on the inside than on the outside, like the tents in Harry Potter.


You do understand that if 600 passing students were to re-zoned, the percentage of kids getting 1% would be more like 20% right?


Wrong, because two thirds of those kids would bail out of DCPS.