Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth of the matter is that people are fallible and things are going to happen. It isn't just people on phones it is people who are tired, people who run on autopilot (pedestrians and drivers). You can have a driver who is unfamiliar with the area or looking for an address that might not see a pedestrian. You always have to be alert. You need to look over your left shoulder before crossing to make sure there isn't a car making a right to hit you. You need to slow down and look before crossing an alley even though you are on the sidewalk. You need to pay attention to the traffic the whole time you are crossing and never trust others with your safety. I've taught my children not to even trust me when crossing. I expect them to look before crossing too. I might miss something. Whenever possible don't outsource your safety. To the person who said "must I have my head on a permanent swivel?" YES, YES you should. You are in the city there are many things that can happen at any time. You can complain all you want about what other people do but the only behavior you can control is your own.

The truth of the matter is that all of this is excuses for people who, when driving, have a duty of care that includes not hitting people.

Ye gads you are all children. Bickering about what is right and what is wrong and who is terrible and who isn't. Of course the driver was terrible but there will always be terrible drivers, there will be terrible pedestrians, there will be terribly cyclists. So you can stand in the street and shout into the wind all you want but none of that will make the terrible people go away. I mean with your logic we shouldn't even lock our doors because people shouldn't steal from and murder people.

Anonymous wrote:So the OP didn't get run over but you're debating who's at fault for her getting run over?
I'm confused

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Anonymous wrote:Pedestrian safety requires eye contact with the driver. Nobody in DC makes eye contact that is why pedestrians have so many problems.

https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/motr/safe-crossings-the-power-of-eye-contact.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-key-to-crossing-the-street-safely-eye-contact-1427734205

AGAIN...how would eye contact have helped the OP who was deep within the crosswalk when a speeding driver ran the stop sign?

If you read the article you will see you don't step into the crosswalk until you make eye contact and you know they are stopping.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pedestrian safety requires eye contact with the driver. Nobody in DC makes eye contact that is why pedestrians have so many problems.

https://www.psychologicalscience.org/news/motr/safe-crossings-the-power-of-eye-contact.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-key-to-crossing-the-street-safely-eye-contact-1427734205

AGAIN...how would eye contact have helped the OP who was deep within the crosswalk when a speeding driver ran the stop sign?

To add--today a lady at a 4 way stop made a complete stop but was never actually looking up. She had her eyes on her phone the entire time. I saw her so chose not to cross my dogs and me even though it was our turn.

However--this is NOT the same situation that OP and others have detailed. SO maybe everybody should stop with the captain obvious "vigilant pedestrian" canard.

If you are at a 4 way stop and you see the person is looking at their phone.. do not step into the crosswalk.

Anonymous wrote:Basically, at some point in spite of pedestrian's due diligence and care, we have to acknowledge that the driver is at fault.
Why are people sidestepping this basic fact?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth of the matter is that people are fallible and things are going to happen. It isn't just people on phones it is people who are tired, people who run on autopilot (pedestrians and drivers). You can have a driver who is unfamiliar with the area or looking for an address that might not see a pedestrian. You always have to be alert. You need to look over your left shoulder before crossing to make sure there isn't a car making a right to hit you. You need to slow down and look before crossing an alley even though you are on the sidewalk. You need to pay attention to the traffic the whole time you are crossing and never trust others with your safety. I've taught my children not to even trust me when crossing. I expect them to look before crossing too. I might miss something. Whenever possible don't outsource your safety. To the person who said "must I have my head on a permanent swivel?" YES, YES you should. You are in the city there are many things that can happen at any time. You can complain all you want about what other people do but the only behavior you can control is your own.

The truth of the matter is that all of this is excuses for people who, when driving, have a duty of care that includes not hitting people.

Ye gads you are all children. Bickering about what is right and what is wrong and who is terrible and who isn't. Of course the driver was terrible but there will always be terrible drivers, there will be terrible pedestrians, there will be terribly cyclists. So you can stand in the street and shout into the wind all you want but none of that will make the terrible people go away. I mean with your logic we shouldn't even lock our doors because people shouldn't steal from and murder people.

Stop making excuses for bad driving. Seriously, just stop. Terrible drivers is something we actually can do something about. And should do something about.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth of the matter is that people are fallible and things are going to happen. It isn't just people on phones it is people who are tired, people who run on autopilot (pedestrians and drivers). You can have a driver who is unfamiliar with the area or looking for an address that might not see a pedestrian. You always have to be alert. You need to look over your left shoulder before crossing to make sure there isn't a car making a right to hit you. You need to slow down and look before crossing an alley even though you are on the sidewalk. You need to pay attention to the traffic the whole time you are crossing and never trust others with your safety. I've taught my children not to even trust me when crossing. I expect them to look before crossing too. I might miss something. Whenever possible don't outsource your safety. To the person who said "must I have my head on a permanent swivel?" YES, YES you should. You are in the city there are many things that can happen at any time. You can complain all you want about what other people do but the only behavior you can control is your own.

The truth of the matter is that all of this is excuses for people who, when driving, have a duty of care that includes not hitting people.

Ye gads you are all children. Bickering about what is right and what is wrong and who is terrible and who isn't. Of course the driver was terrible but there will always be terrible drivers, there will be terrible pedestrians, there will be terribly cyclists. So you can stand in the street and shout into the wind all you want but none of that will make the terrible people go away. I mean with your logic we shouldn't even lock our doors because people shouldn't steal from and murder people.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth of the matter is that people are fallible and things are going to happen. It isn't just people on phones it is people who are tired, people who run on autopilot (pedestrians and drivers). You can have a driver who is unfamiliar with the area or looking for an address that might not see a pedestrian. You always have to be alert. You need to look over your left shoulder before crossing to make sure there isn't a car making a right to hit you. You need to slow down and look before crossing an alley even though you are on the sidewalk. You need to pay attention to the traffic the whole time you are crossing and never trust others with your safety. I've taught my children not to even trust me when crossing. I expect them to look before crossing too. I might miss something. Whenever possible don't outsource your safety. To the person who said "must I have my head on a permanent swivel?" YES, YES you should. You are in the city there are many things that can happen at any time. You can complain all you want about what other people do but the only behavior you can control is your own.

The truth of the matter is that all of this is excuses for people who, when driving, have a duty of care that includes not hitting people.

Anonymous wrote:The truth of the matter is that people are fallible and things are going to happen. It isn't just people on phones it is people who are tired, people who run on autopilot (pedestrians and drivers). You can have a driver who is unfamiliar with the area or looking for an address that might not see a pedestrian. You always have to be alert. You need to look over your left shoulder before crossing to make sure there isn't a car making a right to hit you. You need to slow down and look before crossing an alley even though you are on the sidewalk. You need to pay attention to the traffic the whole time you are crossing and never trust others with your safety. I've taught my children not to even trust me when crossing. I expect them to look before crossing too. I might miss something. Whenever possible don't outsource your safety. To the person who said "must I have my head on a permanent swivel?" YES, YES you should. You are in the city there are many things that can happen at any time. You can complain all you want about what other people do but the only behavior you can control is your own.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The truth of the matter is that people are fallible and things are going to happen. It isn't just people on phones it is people who are tired, people who run on autopilot (pedestrians and drivers). You can have a driver who is unfamiliar with the area or looking for an address that might not see a pedestrian. You always have to be alert. You need to look over your left shoulder before crossing to make sure there isn't a car making a right to hit you. You need to slow down and look before crossing an alley even though you are on the sidewalk. You need to pay attention to the traffic the whole time you are crossing and never trust others with your safety. I've taught my children not to even trust me when crossing. I expect them to look before crossing too. I might miss something. Whenever possible don't outsource your safety. To the person who said "must I have my head on a permanent swivel?" YES, YES you should. You are in the city there are many things that can happen at any time. You can complain all you want about what other people do but the only behavior you can control is your own.

Once again ALL the responsibility falls on the pedestrian.

If you run over your kid, oh well, that's on them.

Anonymous wrote:The truth of the matter is that people are fallible and things are going to happen. It isn't just people on phones it is people who are tired, people who run on autopilot (pedestrians and drivers). You can have a driver who is unfamiliar with the area or looking for an address that might not see a pedestrian. You always have to be alert. You need to look over your left shoulder before crossing to make sure there isn't a car making a right to hit you. You need to slow down and look before crossing an alley even though you are on the sidewalk. You need to pay attention to the traffic the whole time you are crossing and never trust others with your safety. I've taught my children not to even trust me when crossing. I expect them to look before crossing too. I might miss something. Whenever possible don't outsource your safety. To the person who said "must I have my head on a permanent swivel?" YES, YES you should. You are in the city there are many things that can happen at any time. You can complain all you want about what other people do but the only behavior you can control is your own.