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Anonymous wrote:Can ANYONE address what is wrong with the actual act of taking illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities, rather than reacting on their emotional reaction to it or Trump's motivation for it? Focus on actions and solutions instead of your feelings. Democrats, speak up about why it would be bad to do this as a matter of fact, without talking about emotion.

Good Lord. I read this entire thread and it's unreal.

Why is it bad? Because by putting all of the illegal immigrants in small areas it would cause all kinds of hurt for the local governments: feeding them, housing them, educating them, not to mention the strain on medical and police services.

It's a way of punishing the cities or locales that are identified as being friendly to immigrants.

It's punitive, Trump's favorite way of handling his adversaries or people who don't support him.

But they are the fabric of your community and add so much to your community! Their kids go to school with yours! You go to church with them! This isnt a punishment!

LOL

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

Trump & Miller's intentions were to punish. You don't have a problem with that?

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t sound like Stephen Miller was looking out for their well-being.

““It was basically an idea that Miller wanted that nobody else wanted to carry out,” said one congressional investigator who has spoken to one of the whistleblowers. “What happened here is that Stephen Miller called people at ICE, said if they’re going to cut funding, you’ve got to make sure you’re releasing people in Pelosi’s district and other congressional districts.” The investigator spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect the whistleblower.”

“It was during that mid-February standoff that one whistleblower went to Congress alleging that the White House was considering a plan to punish Democrats if they did not relent on ICE funding for beds. A second official independently came forward after that.

According to both, there were at least two versions of the plan being considered. One was to move migrants who were already in ICE detention to the districts of Democratic opponents. The second option was to bus migrants apprehended at the border to sanctuary cities, such as New York, Chicago and San Francisco.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/white-house-proposed-releasing-immigrant-detainees-in-sanctuary-cities-targeting-political-foes/2019/04/11/72839bc8-5c68-11e9-9625-01d48d50ef75_story.html

These plans were not meant to help immigrants...they were meant to PUNISH US citizens.

You all keep using words like "punish." Its not a punishment if you want them to come. He knows you want them to come. The cities/state's own laws have declared that these people are a delight. Your assertion that this is a punishment is off when they've stated explicitly that these people are a joy.

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Anonymous wrote:Can ANYONE address what is wrong with the actual act of taking illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities, rather than reacting on their emotional reaction to it or Trump's motivation for it? Focus on actions and solutions instead of your feelings. Democrats, speak up about why it would be bad to do this as a matter of fact, without talking about emotion.

Good Lord. I read this entire thread and it's unreal.

Ask ICE since they thought it was a bad idea.

If they hadn't, you'd be all about it though, right? Give me a break. Those were not your reasons.

1. I absolutely have an issue with Trump's motives. The POTUS should not be trying to punish US citizens who have differing views. And he shouldn't be using human beings as political pawns.

2. I don't necessarily have an issue with his proposed plan -- I'd want to hear more about it before I decide.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s absurd how certain people are pretending this proposal died because sanctuary cities refused to take people in, rather than because ICE doesn’t have the money to transport them that far and there are huge liability risks if there’s an accident along the way. Trump and Miller made a stupid and dangerous suggestion that ICE rejected as unworkable. That’s all this is about.

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It really doesn't matter, however. Does it?

Ridiculous or not, even if there were a logistical and safe way to transport illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities or "welcoming cities," the responses on this thread are STILL very telling.

Show of hands - those of you in Mo Co . . . would you welcome these folks, many who have faced a lifetime of obstacles, into your community if ICE transported them to - oh - Wheaton?

Yes (and kick you out)

So displace am American Family for illegal aliens?

You are a parody of a loon but sadly real. Take them into your home. You want them here so bad. Displace yourself. Let a family live in your home.

No, you don't get it. The family doesn't have to live in my home. The family will live in YOUR home, after we kick you OUT. Then everybody is happy.

You are a textbook lib. You won’t give up your home for illegal families, but will remove-by some illegal force- another family- to house illegals.

You are really unhinged.

And you are a textbook con. No one said anything about using some illegal force to displace you.

Liberals are on this thread saying that they love illegals and love sanctuary cities- but only think this is bad because Trump.

Bull crap. If you really cared about illegals you’d say bring them by the bus load now.

NIMBY fakes.

I'm surprised no one has said "Sure, bring them. I'll just put my kids in private school." That's what they do in Fairfax and MoCo.

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Anonymous wrote:Can ANYONE address what is wrong with the actual act of taking illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities, rather than reacting on their emotional reaction to it or Trump's motivation for it? Focus on actions and solutions instead of your feelings. Democrats, speak up about why it would be bad to do this as a matter of fact, without talking about emotion.

Good Lord. I read this entire thread and it's unreal.

Ask ICE since they thought it was a bad idea.

If they hadn't, you'd be all about it though, right? Give me a break. Those were not your reasons.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s absurd how certain people are pretending this proposal died because sanctuary cities refused to take people in, rather than because ICE doesn’t have the money to transport them that far and there are huge liability risks if there’s an accident along the way. Trump and Miller made a stupid and dangerous suggestion that ICE rejected as unworkable. That’s all this is about.

+1

It really doesn't matter, however. Does it?

Ridiculous or not, even if there were a logistical and safe way to transport illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities or "welcoming cities," the responses on this thread are STILL very telling.

Show of hands - those of you in Mo Co . . . would you welcome these folks, many who have faced a lifetime of obstacles, into your community if ICE transported them to - oh - Wheaton?

Yes (and kick you out)

So displace am American Family for illegal aliens?

You are a parody of a loon but sadly real. Take them into your home. You want them here so bad. Displace yourself. Let a family live in your home.

No, you don't get it. The family doesn't have to live in my home. The family will live in YOUR home, after we kick you OUT. Then everybody is happy.

You are a textbook lib. You won’t give up your home for illegal families, but will remove-by some illegal force- another family- to house illegals.

You are really unhinged.

And you are a textbook con. No one said anything about using some illegal force to displace you.

Liberals are on this thread saying that they love illegals and love sanctuary cities- but only think this is bad because Trump.

Bull crap. If you really cared about illegals you’d say bring them by the bus load now.

NIMBY fakes.

Anonymous wrote:Can ANYONE address what is wrong with the actual act of taking illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities, rather than reacting on their emotional reaction to it or Trump's motivation for it? Focus on actions and solutions instead of your feelings. Democrats, speak up about why it would be bad to do this as a matter of fact, without talking about emotion.

Good Lord. I read this entire thread and it's unreal.

Why is it bad? Because by putting all of the illegal immigrants in small areas it would cause all kinds of hurt for the local governments: feeding them, housing them, educating them, not to mention the strain on medical and police services.

It's a way of punishing the cities or locales that are identified as being friendly to immigrants.

It's punitive, Trump's favorite way of handling his adversaries or people who don't support him.

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Anonymous wrote:Can ANYONE address what is wrong with the actual act of taking illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities, rather than reacting on their emotional reaction to it or Trump's motivation for it? Focus on actions and solutions instead of your feelings. Democrats, speak up about why it would be bad to do this as a matter of fact, without talking about emotion.

Good Lord. I read this entire thread and it's unreal.

Ask ICE since they thought it was a bad idea.

"Matthew Albence, the acting deputy director of ICE, objected to the idea, telling the White House that there would be liability issues if a migrant were injured during transport. He also raised concerns that the agency’s budget had not been appropriated for that purpose.

In an email, Mr. Albence responded that the proposal would create “an unnecessary operational burden” on the department and added that he did not know how paying extra to transport migrants to another location was “a justified expenditure.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/us/politics/sanctuary-cities-trump.html

Anonymous wrote:Can ANYONE address what is wrong with the actual act of taking illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities, rather than reacting on their emotional reaction to it or Trump's motivation for it? Focus on actions and solutions instead of your feelings. Democrats, speak up about why it would be bad to do this as a matter of fact, without talking about emotion.

Good Lord. I read this entire thread and it's unreal.

Ask ICE since they thought it was a bad idea.

Can ANYONE address what is wrong with the actual act of taking illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities, rather than reacting on their emotional reaction to it or Trump's motivation for it? Focus on actions and solutions instead of your feelings. Democrats, speak up about why it would be bad to do this as a matter of fact, without talking about emotion.

Good Lord. I read this entire thread and it's unreal.

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it not matter to conservatives that their Dear Leader is a spiteful a**hole and vindictiveness drives all his policies?

Because they hate us more than anything in this world. They don't care about policy, they only care about hurting "the libs" and people that live in blue states.

Liberals say immigrants improve their community, add to the community wealth, etc. How then would sending immigrants to liberal communities hurt liberals?

Ask dear leader, it was part of his master plan. He wanted to do it for retaliation. He must have an opinion on why it would be a retaliatory measure.

The opinion on the retaliatory measure is the policy of sanctuary cities, where local government doesn't help federal law enforcement on illegal immigration, is to show illegal immigration in the country is a huge issue and unsustainable for communities. Illegal immigration breaks health care and raises taxes on those living and immigrating legally.

The President is giving you exactly what you said you welcomed. Remember the signs, the sermons we heard, the taxes we pay, the donations we make, the languages we learned, and hours of volunteering we give? Yeah - he's giving us exactly what we encouraged and support. This community can handle the needs far better than most.

Yes, Trump is pointing out the hypocrisy of the libs sanctuary policy and showing the end result of such policy. I keep reading how immigrants are being used by the idea as a political weapon. It's not immigrants. It's illegal immigrants.

What is the short term answer to 4,000 monthly illegal immigrants across the southern border?

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Anonymous wrote:Why does it not matter to conservatives that their Dear Leader is a spiteful a**hole and vindictiveness drives all his policies?

Because they hate us more than anything in this world. They don't care about policy, they only care about hurting "the libs" and people that live in blue states.

Liberals say immigrants improve their community, add to the community wealth, etc. How then would sending immigrants to liberal communities hurt liberals?

Ask dear leader, it was part of his master plan. He wanted to do it for retaliation. He must have an opinion on why it would be a retaliatory measure.