Anonymous
03/07/2019 09:03
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You are uninformed if you think the wall is the only thing Republicans/this administration has tried since 2017 to address border security. Read a newspaper people!
You are uninformed if you think Trump originally talked about anything other than the wall or that he wanted funding for anything else other than the wall originally. I never mentioned Rs in general.
DP. You seem to be talking only about his campaign rhetoric. That is not what we're talking about. Beyond his words on the campaign trail, it has always been about an all encompassing fix.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:57
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Or, jut maybe, it shows how precarious their home country situation is, and how desperate they are to leave, you know, the way your grandparents or great grandparents where when they came to the US?
not my family
Dad came in '47 with a trade, and he learned English in a year AND joined the military. He started three businesses, too, and built a nice lifestyle for the family.
Not all immigrants are the same.
Things are very different today as compared to 1947.
This is an understatement.
In 1947, the US determined who was granted entry in the US. That is not the case today. Estimates are there are upward of 16 million illegal aliens in the US. Some estimates are as high as 22 million. Of course, with our laws the way they are.... we aren't even able to come up with a reasonable, accurate estimate.
In 1947 my Asian family would not have been allowed to immigrate here due to quotas from "undesirable" countries. Lots of Trump supporters seem to want to go back to the quota system.
You should study how the US immigration system works. There are now per-country ceilings for how many immigrants are allowed in. This is a de facto quota system as many of the countries like India hit their ceiling fairly easily due to the large number of immigrants. There is also the diversity visa program which grants visas at random to countries that are under-represented in US immigrant demographics, again a pure quota system. So quotas already exist in the US immigration system, you now need to decide whether you are for or against quotas that are not based on merit but the home country of the immigrant. As a Trump supporter I don't want quotas like these, I prefer a more purely merit based system.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:54
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You are uninformed if you think the wall is the only thing Republicans/this administration has tried since 2017 to address border security. Read a newspaper people!
Exactly. This is the line that CNN and MSNBC have been pushing. "The wall" is all they talk about even though tech and personnel have been included from the beginning.
January, 2018:
The Trump administration has revealed its master plan for securing the border -- and it's going to cost $33 billion.
Of that total, $18 billion will be required for President Donald Trump's long-promised border wall, according to Customs and Border Protection documents obtained by CNN that were sent to lawmakers on Capitol Hill.
The remaining $15 billion would cover technology, personnel and readiness, the document says.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/05/politics/border-security-billions-trump-wall/index.html
Again, his message morphed after much derision over the wall.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:53
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
Anonymous wrote:You are uninformed if you think the wall is the only thing Republicans/this administration has tried since 2017 to address border security. Read a newspaper people!
You are uninformed if you think Trump originally talked about anything other than the wall or that he wanted funding for anything else other than the wall originally. I never mentioned Rs in general.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:47
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
Anonymous wrote:You are uninformed if you think the wall is the only thing Republicans/this administration has tried since 2017 to address border security. Read a newspaper people!
Exactly. This is the line that CNN and MSNBC have been pushing. "The wall" is all they talk about even though tech and personnel have been included from the beginning.
January, 2018:
The Trump administration has revealed its master plan for securing the border -- and it's going to cost $33 billion.
Of that total, $18 billion will be required for President Donald Trump's long-promised border wall, according to Customs and Border Protection documents obtained by CNN that were sent to lawmakers on Capitol Hill.
The remaining $15 billion would cover technology, personnel and readiness, the document says.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/05/politics/border-security-billions-trump-wall/index.html
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:36
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
You are uninformed if you think the wall is the only thing Republicans/this administration has tried since 2017 to address border security. Read a newspaper people!
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:24
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump is one to talk. He has been hiring illegals for years and more keep coming out of the woodwork everyday.
We will never get anywhere if every time one side is presented with facts the response is "but Trump!" And then they ignore literally mountains of data to focus on an anecdote.
Geez. Yes he hired illegal immigrants. Now let's move on to solutions for this crisis of illegal immigration that both liberal leaning, illegal immigration supporting, prominent newspapers have acknowledged.
The hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Again no actual solutions. Just one off quips (that aren't clever)
Okay. Prosecute to the fullest every employer for hiring illegal immigrants. Now what is your solution to the crisis of 76k+ per month at the border?
Practice what you preach, honey. It's hard to take you seriously when you give your Dear Leader a pass on what you accuse Democrats of.
Fantastic. No ideas.
The president sn't my dear anything.
What great ideas do you have?
There is a lot we can do or at least try:
-Implementation of a safe third country agreement with Mexico
-Put judges on the border/have them conduct the initial interview instead of BP. Most fail to get asylum so if they make the initial interview more stringent we will spend less money for these people moving through an asylum system they will ultimately fail
-no release into the interior of the country while your case is being heard, no granting of work visas unless you are granted asylum
- if they have been released previously, have law enforcement check on them at the address listed. Chances are they are staying with their illegal aunt/uncle/cousin/sibling/parent
- drones, facial recognition at the border
And finally... a physical barrier to keep them out in the first place
Why didn't the GOP start to implement any of this aggresively during the two years they had complete control? They instead chose to pass the tax cut and try to derail Obamacare. It's funny how the the border issue suddenly became an "emergency" once it became clear the Democrats were going to take back the House.
They didn't have "complete control." Many of the above ideas require a minimum 60 vote in the Senate. They didn't have that.
False. Dems support more of those things than you claim. Dems have been supportive of more judges, more tech at the border, et cetera. But instead we just got this Trumpian stuff about a big shiny wall without tech, no judges, et cetera. Republicans had an opportunity to do good and get a lot of things that both sides could support, but instead squandered it by just mindlessly tribally rallying behind Trump's nonsense.
This is such a BS statement. The plan has ALWAYS been to include technology, personnel, and more space for detentions. Where is the world are you getting your information?
DP, no... that was not *ALWAYS* the plan. Trump only *ever* mentioned the wall, and that MX would pay for it. After much derision from even his own party members about MX paying for the wall, and other border security experts and Dems stating that we need high tech and more personnel, that is when Trump's tune changed.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:21
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Or, jut maybe, it shows how precarious their home country situation is, and how desperate they are to leave, you know, the way your grandparents or great grandparents where when they came to the US?
not my family
Dad came in '47 with a trade, and he learned English in a year AND joined the military. He started three businesses, too, and built a nice lifestyle for the family.
Not all immigrants are the same.
Things are very different today as compared to 1947.
This is an understatement.
In 1947, the US determined who was granted entry in the US. That is not the case today. Estimates are there are upward of 16 million illegal aliens in the US. Some estimates are as high as 22 million. Of course, with our laws the way they are.... we aren't even able to come up with a reasonable, accurate estimate.
In 1947 my Asian family would not have been allowed to immigrate here due to quotas from "undesirable" countries. Lots of Trump supporters seem to want to go back to the quota system.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:06
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump is one to talk. He has been hiring illegals for years and more keep coming out of the woodwork everyday.
We will never get anywhere if every time one side is presented with facts the response is "but Trump!" And then they ignore literally mountains of data to focus on an anecdote.
Geez. Yes he hired illegal immigrants. Now let's move on to solutions for this crisis of illegal immigration that both liberal leaning, illegal immigration supporting, prominent newspapers have acknowledged.
The hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Again no actual solutions. Just one off quips (that aren't clever)
Okay. Prosecute to the fullest every employer for hiring illegal immigrants. Now what is your solution to the crisis of 76k+ per month at the border?
Practice what you preach, honey. It's hard to take you seriously when you give your Dear Leader a pass on what you accuse Democrats of.
Fantastic. No ideas.
The president sn't my dear anything.
What great ideas do you have?
There is a lot we can do or at least try:
-Implementation of a safe third country agreement with Mexico
-Put judges on the border/have them conduct the initial interview instead of BP. Most fail to get asylum so if they make the initial interview more stringent we will spend less money for these people moving through an asylum system they will ultimately fail
-no release into the interior of the country while your case is being heard, no granting of work visas unless you are granted asylum
- if they have been released previously, have law enforcement check on them at the address listed. Chances are they are staying with their illegal aunt/uncle/cousin/sibling/parent
- drones, facial recognition at the border
And finally... a physical barrier to keep them out in the first place
Why didn't the GOP start to implement any of this aggresively during the two years they had complete control? They instead chose to pass the tax cut and try to derail Obamacare. It's funny how the the border issue suddenly became an "emergency" once it became clear the Democrats were going to take back the House.
They didn't have "complete control." Many of the above ideas require a minimum 60 vote in the Senate. They didn't have that.
False. Dems support more of those things than you claim. Dems have been supportive of more judges, more tech at the border, et cetera. But instead we just got this Trumpian stuff about a big shiny wall without tech, no judges, et cetera. Republicans had an opportunity to do good and get a lot of things that both sides could support, but instead squandered it by just mindlessly tribally rallying behind Trump's nonsense.
This is such a BS statement. The plan has ALWAYS been to include technology, personnel, and more space for detentions. Where is the world are you getting your information?
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:04
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Or, jut maybe, it shows how precarious their home country situation is, and how desperate they are to leave, you know, the way your grandparents or great grandparents where when they came to the US?
not my family
Dad came in '47 with a trade, and he learned English in a year AND joined the military. He started three businesses, too, and built a nice lifestyle for the family.
Not all immigrants are the same.
Things are very different today as compared to 1947.
This is an understatement.
In 1947, the US determined who was granted entry in the US. That is not the case today. Estimates are there are upward of 16 million illegal aliens in the US. Some estimates are as high as 22 million. Of course, with our laws the way they are.... we aren't even able to come up with a reasonable, accurate estimate.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:02
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump is one to talk. He has been hiring illegals for years and more keep coming out of the woodwork everyday.
We will never get anywhere if every time one side is presented with facts the response is "but Trump!" And then they ignore literally mountains of data to focus on an anecdote.
Geez. Yes he hired illegal immigrants. Now let's move on to solutions for this crisis of illegal immigration that both liberal leaning, illegal immigration supporting, prominent newspapers have acknowledged.
The hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Again no actual solutions. Just one off quips (that aren't clever)
Okay. Prosecute to the fullest every employer for hiring illegal immigrants. Now what is your solution to the crisis of 76k+ per month at the border?
Practice what you preach, honey. It's hard to take you seriously when you give your Dear Leader a pass on what you accuse Democrats of.
Fantastic. No ideas.
The president sn't my dear anything.
What great ideas do you have?
There is a lot we can do or at least try:
-Implementation of a safe third country agreement with Mexico
-Put judges on the border/have them conduct the initial interview instead of BP. Most fail to get asylum so if they make the initial interview more stringent we will spend less money for these people moving through an asylum system they will ultimately fail
-no release into the interior of the country while your case is being heard, no granting of work visas unless you are granted asylum
- if they have been released previously, have law enforcement check on them at the address listed. Chances are they are staying with their illegal aunt/uncle/cousin/sibling/parent
- drones, facial recognition at the border
And finally... a physical barrier to keep them out in the first place
Why didn't the GOP start to implement any of this aggresively during the two years they had complete control? They instead chose to pass the tax cut and try to derail Obamacare. It's funny how the the border issue suddenly became an "emergency" once it became clear the Democrats were going to take back the House.
They didn't have "complete control." Many of the above ideas require a minimum 60 vote in the Senate. They didn't have that.
False. Dems support more of those things than you claim. Dems have been supportive of more judges, more tech at the border, et cetera. But instead we just got this Trumpian stuff about a big shiny wall without tech, no judges, et cetera. Republicans had an opportunity to do good and get a lot of things that both sides could support, but instead squandered it by just mindlessly tribally rallying behind Trump's nonsense.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 08:00
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Or, jut maybe, it shows how precarious their home country situation is, and how desperate they are to leave, you know, the way your grandparents or great grandparents where when they came to the US?
not my family
Dad came in '47 with a trade, and he learned English in a year AND joined the military. He started three businesses, too, and built a nice lifestyle for the family.
Not all immigrants are the same.
Things are very different today as compared to 1947.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 07:56
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Or, jut maybe, it shows how precarious their home country situation is, and how desperate they are to leave, you know, the way your grandparents or great grandparents where when they came to the US?
not my family
Dad came in '47 with a trade, and he learned English in a year AND joined the military. He started three businesses, too, and built a nice lifestyle for the family.
Not all immigrants are the same.
+1
In addition just because we did things in a certain way in the past doesn't mean we have to continue those things if they don't make sense.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 07:54
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Trump is one to talk. He has been hiring illegals for years and more keep coming out of the woodwork everyday.
We will never get anywhere if every time one side is presented with facts the response is "but Trump!" And then they ignore literally mountains of data to focus on an anecdote.
Geez. Yes he hired illegal immigrants. Now let's move on to solutions for this crisis of illegal immigration that both liberal leaning, illegal immigration supporting, prominent newspapers have acknowledged.
The hypocrisy is strong with this one.
Again no actual solutions. Just one off quips (that aren't clever)
Okay. Prosecute to the fullest every employer for hiring illegal immigrants. Now what is your solution to the crisis of 76k+ per month at the border?
Practice what you preach, honey. It's hard to take you seriously when you give your Dear Leader a pass on what you accuse Democrats of.
Fantastic. No ideas.
The president sn't my dear anything.
What great ideas do you have?
There is a lot we can do or at least try:
-Implementation of a safe third country agreement with Mexico
-Put judges on the border/have them conduct the initial interview instead of BP. Most fail to get asylum so if they make the initial interview more stringent we will spend less money for these people moving through an asylum system they will ultimately fail
-no release into the interior of the country while your case is being heard, no granting of work visas unless you are granted asylum
- if they have been released previously, have law enforcement check on them at the address listed. Chances are they are staying with their illegal aunt/uncle/cousin/sibling/parent
- drones, facial recognition at the border
And finally... a physical barrier to keep them out in the first place
Why didn't the GOP start to implement any of this aggresively during the two years they had complete control? They instead chose to pass the tax cut and try to derail Obamacare. It's funny how the the border issue suddenly became an "emergency" once it became clear the Democrats were going to take back the House.
Not true. This administration started from day one to implement tighter border security.
Again. What are your brilliant ideas to address this crisis? I haven't seen a single one.
Anonymous
03/07/2019 07:51
Subject: Border at ‘Breaking Point’ as More than 76,000 Migrants Cross in a Month
Anonymous wrote:Or, jut maybe, it shows how precarious their home country situation is, and how desperate they are to leave, you know, the way your grandparents or great grandparents where when they came to the US?
not my family
Dad came in '47 with a trade, and he learned English in a year AND joined the military. He started three businesses, too, and built a nice lifestyle for the family.
Not all immigrants are the same.