Anonymous
02/06/2019 13:07
Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
How did putting this down benefit her? Was their affirmative action in registering to join the Bar? If not, what difference does this make?
Anonymous
02/06/2019 10:21
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So disgusted that the WaPo published this!
Why be disgusted? Democracy dies in darkness! Kudos to the Post for shining light on the Truth
Exactly! For once, the WaPo decided to show *all* the truth, not just the side it supports.
Indeed. I’d it was an R they’d be done. Warren played a stupid game and finally won her stupid prize.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 09:08
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So disgusted that the WaPo published this!
Why be disgusted? Democracy dies in darkness! Kudos to the Post for shining light on the Truth
Exactly! For once, the WaPo decided to show *all* the truth, not just the side it supports.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 09:00
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Trump took his first scalp for 2020. Warren will have to drop her candidacy.
I see what you did there
Anonymous
02/06/2019 08:48
Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:I still don't consider lying about your ethnicity that big of a deal. I know a guy who is 1/16 Am. Indian. Dude looks 100% white - light hair, blue eyes. I'm Asian, and I look more Indian American than he does, but he can claim it and I really don't care, just like I really don't care that Warren lied about her ethnicity 40 years ago. I'm also not liberal.
Her career took an upward turn after she registered as an American Indian. It would appear that was her motive in doing this. Why would she suddenly decide to claim this heritage on a law license?
FFS... look at what the Trump family did 50 years ago which allowed them to become rich. Look at Trump's housing discrimination suits. In comparison, what Warren did is nothing. Trump's racism is a much bigger deal than Warren's lying about her ethnicity.
Again, I'm not a liberal and not white. I really don't understand why some of you are making such a huge deal about this.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 08:44
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?
+1
+1
She lies less than 15x per day? Sounds like a winner to me.
LOL.. sadly, the bar has been set really low by Trump. If you lie less than Trump and not as corrupt as him, then you're winner.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 07:42
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Trump took his first scalp for 2020. Warren will have to drop her candidacy.
Anonymous
02/06/2019 04:29
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:So disgusted that the WaPo published this!
+ 1
Jeff Bezos doesn’t want a wealth tax and unleashed the hounds
Anonymous
02/06/2019 01:35
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:So disgusted that the WaPo published this!
Why be disgusted? Democracy dies in darkness! Kudos to the Post for shining light on the Truth
Anonymous
02/06/2019 00:29
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
So disgusted that the WaPo published this!
Anonymous
02/06/2019 00:26
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?
+1
+1
She lies less than 15x per day? Sounds like a winner to me.
Anonymous
02/05/2019 23:32
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?
Do you think that was okay and honest?
you're kidding, right? You want to talk about "honesty".. um okay.. how about honesty from our POTUS. This app was.. what... 40 years ago? FFS.
First of all, nice whataboutism.
Secondly, are you one of the morons outraged about what Northam - and/or Kavanaugh - had in their yearbooks, 35+ yrs. ago?
-DP
sexual assault is a bigger deal than lying about your enthnicity.
And I'm not white.
Definitely agree - if there was proof or corroborating evidence *of any kind* that sexual assault ever occurred. But there wasn't - not a shred. So this is actually a much bigger deal.
Please don't insult us, yourself and this conversation by making a political statement that is not true at all. ARe you the one who keeps posting that? Please stop. There was a lot of corroborating evidence. Just stop it. There was not incontrovertible proof. Those are the words you are looking for.
https://rewire.news/ablc/2018/10/04/corroborating-evidence-christine-blasey-ford-allegations/
Ah yes, you're the poster who thinks you're "schooling" the rest of us with your lectures on "incontrovertible proof". Just stop. Americans, even those with political axes to grind, know that there simply wasn't enough of *anything* to conclude that Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted anyone. You can claim there was corroborating evidence, but there simply wasn't. Goodbye.
This is what happens when an unfit candidate is pushed through. It will always happen when Kavanaugh is discussed.
"Unfit"? He was roundly admired as one of the most qualified candidates for the SC in years. The only people who see him as "unfit" are those who wanted a liberal on the court and didn't get their way.
He got added to the list because trump needed someone he could control to let him off on the criminal charges!
Yes, that's it - for sure. Even though Kavanaugh explicitly said he would always vote independently and cannot be "controlled" by presidential whim. Nice try, though!
Did you think he would say, why YES, I am a puppet.
Anonymous
02/05/2019 23:06
Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.
Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.
+100
This.
+ one million
I would consider that it was 1986 and maybe this was some kind of a "thing", but my son is adopted and could definitely be considered a different race/ethnicity (as in it's physically obvious without a DNA test and he was born in another country). He has always self identified as white because he was raised in the white culture. His DNA would show otherwise to a much greater degree than Warren's did.
And this kind of dragging people through the mud for how they identified decades ago concerns me a bit. Your ds identifies this way now, but he could change his mind in the future. Or he could be criticized by people who claim he was turning his back on his heritage. I have multiracial kids and I see how easily this could happen to them. I think once we police how people self-identify it is a dangerous.
No self-identifying. You either is, or you ain't.
You are being flippant and not really addressing the issue.
Not being flippant. Elizabeth Warren ain't Native American.
Except for her 1/634th % that her DNA test revealed.
Well, that DEFINITELY makes her Native American. What's all the fuss about?!
Anonymous
02/05/2019 23:04
Subject: WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't care. Do you?
Do you think that was okay and honest?
you're kidding, right? You want to talk about "honesty".. um okay.. how about honesty from our POTUS. This app was.. what... 40 years ago? FFS.
First of all, nice whataboutism.
Secondly, are you one of the morons outraged about what Northam - and/or Kavanaugh - had in their yearbooks, 35+ yrs. ago?
-DP
sexual assault is a bigger deal than lying about your enthnicity.
And I'm not white.
Definitely agree - if there was proof or corroborating evidence *of any kind* that sexual assault ever occurred. But there wasn't - not a shred. So this is actually a much bigger deal.
Please don't insult us, yourself and this conversation by making a political statement that is not true at all. ARe you the one who keeps posting that? Please stop. There was a lot of corroborating evidence. Just stop it. There was not incontrovertible proof. Those are the words you are looking for.
https://rewire.news/ablc/2018/10/04/corroborating-evidence-christine-blasey-ford-allegations/
Ah yes, you're the poster who thinks you're "schooling" the rest of us with your lectures on "incontrovertible proof". Just stop. Americans, even those with political axes to grind, know that there simply wasn't enough of *anything* to conclude that Kavanaugh had sexually assaulted anyone. You can claim there was corroborating evidence, but there simply wasn't. Goodbye.
This is what happens when an unfit candidate is pushed through. It will always happen when Kavanaugh is discussed.
"Unfit"? He was roundly admired as one of the most qualified candidates for the SC in years. The only people who see him as "unfit" are those who wanted a liberal on the court and didn't get their way.
He got added to the list because trump needed someone he could control to let him off on the criminal charges!
Yes, that's it - for sure. Even though Kavanaugh explicitly said he would always vote independently and cannot be "controlled" by presidential whim. Nice try, though!
Anonymous
02/05/2019 23:03
Subject: Re:WaPo uncovers Liz Warren’s 1986 bar app. Race handwritten as “American Indian”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Who careas? It’s not like bar applications are a selective process and they can only admit so many so she got some kind of edge identifying as American Indian. This is truly a situation where it didn’t help or hurt her, it just was. If anything, this substantiates to me that she really did identify as American Indian if she’s using it in contexts where it doesn’t matter.
Oh don't be dense. Elizabeth Warren is obviously a white woman and obviously identifies as such. Even if she heard that she had a great great great grandparent that was Native American everyone in her family is white. There's no way she really saw herself as Native American. What she did is really quite galling. It's the kind of thing that people make jokes about doing, but no one actually has the nerve to do.
+100
This.
+ one million
I would consider that it was 1986 and maybe this was some kind of a "thing", but my son is adopted and could definitely be considered a different race/ethnicity (as in it's physically obvious without a DNA test and he was born in another country). He has always self identified as white because he was raised in the white culture. His DNA would show otherwise to a much greater degree than Warren's did.
And this kind of dragging people through the mud for how they identified decades ago concerns me a bit. Your ds identifies this way now, but he could change his mind in the future. Or he could be criticized by people who claim he was turning his back on his heritage. I have multiracial kids and I see how easily this could happen to them. I think once we police how people self-identify it is a dangerous.
PP here. His heritage is white English speaking American. Cultural heritage is what defines us. Once in a while I run into people who ask if he speaks the language of his birth country. They somehow think a baby will speak that language through its DNA. So weird. I don't think anyone would have criticized Warren for identifying as white or would have said she had turned her back on her Native American culture. Anyone who says those things does not understand how culture affects identity. You don't just "feel Native American" somehow.
I am sure you have researched this because of your adoption, but Korean adoptees who are adults now have conflicting thoughts on your statement. It is not as straightforward and while some interracial adoptees would agree with you, others would not. My kids are not actually adopted - they have a grandparent of another race & culture.
PP again. Yes, then I would agree that your children are not the same, especially if they have contact with these grandparents and they are "not actually adopted". Adoption in our case was a complete split from the birth culture and family. Our son knows no other family or culture except for ours. I am sure that other adoptees feel differently, but it doesn't mean that they have inherited their birth culture. They may learn their birth language at some point or find their birth parents and maybe then they would self identify as another race or ethnicity. But I think this was far from the case for Elizabeth Warren.
Your son is interesting then - I don't know any adoptees who don't identify as their race of birth. Their culture is American, definitely, but they can't just call themselves Caucasian just because their parents are. As for my kids - they only have one grandparent who is of another race and culture. My point is that my kids (and your son) can check more than one box if they want to now, and they could check more than one box in the future. They can choose how they identify and it doesn't have to be the same all the way through their lives. Their identity may evolve as they grow up and connect with others of similar heritage.
Policing how other people identify themselves - especially in a culture like the US where race and ethnicity are very complicated - is dangerous.
I thought you said that nobody should police how people identify themselves ????
You are right, I do believe they should be able to identify themselves how they choose. I guess what I meant was that because their birth parents were chinese or african american or ugandan, they don't usually choose to identify as Caucasian, even though their parents are Caucasian.
Thank you for calling me on that language, after I typed it out I wished that I could edit it a bit to be more accurate.