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10 Undeniable Fact About the Michal Jackson Sexual Abuse Allegations

Anonymous wrote:It's likely that some of the guys who spent time with him but who weren't abused, like Macauley Culkln and Corey Feldman, had enough of an entourage around them and parents who were savvier than the parents of his acusers. I think MJ carefully calculated which kids/families he could target with little fear of being found out, and which ones to watch out for. As a result, he hung out with some kids without abusing and abused those he thought he could get away with.

It seems pretty clear he targeted/abused the poor/white trash kids, the ones that were susceptible to his fame and promises of access to cool things. The famous kids he hung out with were not as susceptible to this.

Reddit isn’t exactly a credible source. He is guilty. He was a very wounded man who did shameful things but it’s hard to imagine because he was also a kind loving person to many children with terminal illness. You can be a kind, gentle and loving person and still do the awful and disgusting things he did. My heart breaks for the children he abused.

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Anonymous wrote:MJ is prime bait. He was weird enough that you can cast all sorts of accusations his way and find some audience that will believe you. I'm leaning toward he wasn't an abuser but I hesitate to declare that as I don't want to stand against any victims. BUT, how many people were so quick to defend Kavanaugh against all kinds of allegations and justify them, and how quick we are to condemn someone who feels sincere, hurt, and lost.

Did you watch the documentary? If not, please do.

I don't how you can watch it, and not believe these men.

If you defend MJ, you are suspending all rational thought.

Here is a post with perspective from someone who thinks he is innocent.

https://old.reddit.com/r/MichaelJackson/comments/afnz1w/michael_is_innocent/

Anonymous wrote:I don’t know how anyone could watch that documentary and not come away from it shaken and disturbed. Of course he did it. Even if you doubt Wade, Jimmy is a broken and scarred man and you can see from both men how hard it was to see what Michael was doing to them was abuse. The Oprah special afterward really explains how sexually abused children come to terms with this. Michael May have been a musical genius and he did many good things for children and people around the world with his wealth and image but he clearly was a pedophile and molested boys.

Agree!

Anonymous wrote:Is there any physical proof any of these allegations actually happened? From anyone who wasn't paid millions, and who didn't lie under oath more than once?

What kind of physical proof are you expecting? I disregard anyone who wants physical proof from a sex crime three decades ago.

Anonymous wrote:I apologize if this was already addressed but has either woman he married ever come forth about what kind of marriage they had? Was he capable of having a normal relationship with an adult?

I think Debbie Rowe did marry him for money. But, what about Lisa Marie Presley?

I read in an article that they claimed they never have sex with him. (can't remember where I read it, so take it for what it's worth)

I apologize if this was already addressed but has either woman he married ever come forth about what kind of marriage they had? Was he capable of having a normal relationship with an adult?

I think Debbie Rowe did marry him for money. But, what about Lisa Marie Presley?

Is there any physical proof any of these allegations actually happened? From anyone who wasn't paid millions, and who didn't lie under oath more than once?

Didn’t he use to hang out with the Webster kid too? Or Arnold from facts of life?

It's likely that some of the guys who spent time with him but who weren't abused, like Macauley Culkln and Corey Feldman, had enough of an entourage around them and parents who were savvier than the parents of his acusers. I think MJ carefully calculated which kids/families he could target with little fear of being found out, and which ones to watch out for. As a result, he hung out with some kids without abusing and abused those he thought he could get away with.

Anonymous wrote:I can’t decide which is more likely: that jackson didn’t molest Culkin and Feldman, or that he did and they are lying about it either willfully because they think it will hurt their image or careers or have buried the memories. I think it’s probablh more likely he did molest them and they aren’t admitting it.

A common misconception is that sexual predators are abusive to everyone who is close to them. You hear about priests, for example, who’ve abused dozens of kids and think that’s the norm. It’s actually more common for them to zero in on one victim or a small number of victims, while surrounding themselves with many other kids they don’t target.
Many of these predators are charismatic people who kids are drawn to. Kids bask in their attention. Especially in the case of a celebrity like MJ or even a popular coach or teacher. You’ll see tons of kids surrounding that person but only one or a few being abused.

Anonymous wrote:MJ is prime bait. He was weird enough that you can cast all sorts of accusations his way and find some audience that will believe you. I'm leaning toward he wasn't an abuser but I hesitate to declare that as I don't want to stand against any victims. BUT, how many people were so quick to defend Kavanaugh against all kinds of allegations and justify them, and how quick we are to condemn someone who feels sincere, hurt, and lost.

Did you watch the documentary? If not, please do.

I don't how you can watch it, and not believe these men.

If you defend MJ, you are suspending all rational thought.

Anonymous wrote:I had surgery last week and watched all 6 parts of the R Kelly docu and now this 2 part docu + the Oprah special. Both documentaries have a ton...like A TON...of online support for the abuser. Makes me really ill. I don't know how people can be so blind.

I don't get it either. Because from the things we know to be fact versus speculation in both cases is enough to be suspicious on its own. Children hanging out unsupervised with non-related adults itself is a red flag. It is not normal behavior. If we know all of this, imagine what was hidden.