Anonymous
Post 01/23/2019 21:05     Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Heard at the TPMS open house tonight that approximately 80 students were invited to both the TPMS and Eastern programs.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2019 23:31     Subject: Re:New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:And I want to hear from parents of a non-CES child, currently attending a W-feeder ES, who is accepted to either of the magnets.
Please tell me that unicorns do exist!


You will see them at the open house, so don't give up your dream. Perhaps, unlike the CES crowd, they think this a private matter. There are so few acceptances that almost any sharing here risks being personally identified.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2019 22:55     Subject: Re:New thread -- actual MS magnet results
And I want to hear from parents of a non-CES child, currently attending a W-feeder ES, who is accepted to either of the magnets.
Please tell me that unicorns do exist!
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2019 22:45     Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else have a child who consistently scores at the top on standardized tests but did very poorly on the CogAT? Our DC (currently in a DCC CES) bombed the nonverbal and quantitative sections, and his verbal was lower too. He didn't get into either magnet. We weren't counting on his getting in, but it was disconcerting to see the scores so much lower.


DC consistently gets 97-99% on MAP-R and always 99% on MAP-M. Consistently has among highest MAP scores in CES. On CogAT, DC got (MCPS) 83%V, 94%Q, 99%Q. Rejected.

I also want to note that MAP-R scores among DC's CES for the winter were surprisingly low, and many showed little or no growth, or even went down in scores compared to the fall, according to DC's discussions with friends.


DC who is in a CES didn't have that much growth either - his fall score was lower than last year's spring score, and his winter score went back up to that spring score, no higher.

It's all mysterious to me.

4th grade or 5th grade?
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2019 20:40     Subject: Re:New thread -- actual MS magnet results
My CES kids' fall score went down from 5 points from spring, and stayed there in winter. spring 239 (99th %), fall 234 (97th%), winter 234 (tester said that was 97th %) Kid said first 2 questions were wrong, so kid knew overall score would not be as high as expected/hoped.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2019 20:25     Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else have a child who consistently scores at the top on standardized tests but did very poorly on the CogAT? Our DC (currently in a DCC CES) bombed the nonverbal and quantitative sections, and his verbal was lower too. He didn't get into either magnet. We weren't counting on his getting in, but it was disconcerting to see the scores so much lower.


DC consistently gets 97-99% on MAP-R and always 99% on MAP-M. Consistently has among highest MAP scores in CES. On CogAT, DC got (MCPS) 83%V, 94%Q, 99%Q. Rejected.

I also want to note that MAP-R scores among DC's CES for the winter were surprisingly low, and many showed little or no growth, or even went down in scores compared to the fall, according to DC's discussions with friends.


DC who is in a CES didn't have that much growth either - his fall score was lower than last year's spring score, and his winter score went back up to that spring score, no higher.

It's all mysterious to me.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2019 19:59     Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else have a child who consistently scores at the top on standardized tests but did very poorly on the CogAT? Our DC (currently in a DCC CES) bombed the nonverbal and quantitative sections, and his verbal was lower too. He didn't get into either magnet. We weren't counting on his getting in, but it was disconcerting to see the scores so much lower.


DC consistently gets 97-99% on MAP-R and always 99% on MAP-M. Consistently has among highest MAP scores in CES. On CogAT, DC got (MCPS) 83%V, 94%Q, 99%Q. Rejected.

I also want to note that MAP-R scores among DC's CES for the winter were surprisingly low, and many showed little or no growth, or even went down in scores compared to the fall, according to DC's discussions with friends.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2019 07:12     Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else have a child who consistently scores at the top on standardized tests but did very poorly on the CogAT? Our DC (currently in a DCC CES) bombed the nonverbal and quantitative sections, and his verbal was lower too. He didn't get into either magnet. We weren't counting on his getting in, but it was disconcerting to see the scores so much lower.


When you say he "bombed" are you talking about his national percentile or his MCPS percentile? Scores "so much lower" than what?

Because if you are talking about the MCPS percentile, remember that is comparing your son to only students in MCPS who were invited to test due to strong academic data and/or whose parents requested testing-- less than half of the current 5th grade class. So, you would expect lower percentiles when you are changing the group you are comparing against. This group already removed most of the "outliers" who would typically score in the lower quartile- percentiles are like the old bell curve- some are at the top, most in the middle and a few at the bottom- so when MCPS is only looking at what would typically be their top half, the distribution of scores is going to change.


I was talking about the MCPS percentiles. Thanks for this context - it makes more sense now.


Chiming in to say, you have to rethink all the previous standardized scores and wonder how they'd rank with respect to this population. MCPS has this information since they have PARCC scores, etc., for the entire applicant pool. If it's around 4000 kids in the pool, then rule of thumb would be needing 95th percentile on any given measure, bellow that there's enough kids to fill a given magnet who scored higher.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2019 21:58     Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else have a child who consistently scores at the top on standardized tests but did very poorly on the CogAT? Our DC (currently in a DCC CES) bombed the nonverbal and quantitative sections, and his verbal was lower too. He didn't get into either magnet. We weren't counting on his getting in, but it was disconcerting to see the scores so much lower.


When you say he "bombed" are you talking about his national percentile or his MCPS percentile? Scores "so much lower" than what?

Because if you are talking about the MCPS percentile, remember that is comparing your son to only students in MCPS who were invited to test due to strong academic data and/or whose parents requested testing-- less than half of the current 5th grade class. So, you would expect lower percentiles when you are changing the group you are comparing against. This group already removed most of the "outliers" who would typically score in the lower quartile- percentiles are like the old bell curve- some are at the top, most in the middle and a few at the bottom- so when MCPS is only looking at what would typically be their top half, the distribution of scores is going to change.


I was talking about the MCPS percentiles. Thanks for this context - it makes more sense now.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2019 21:42     Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else have a child who consistently scores at the top on standardized tests but did very poorly on the CogAT? Our DC (currently in a DCC CES) bombed the nonverbal and quantitative sections, and his verbal was lower too. He didn't get into either magnet. We weren't counting on his getting in, but it was disconcerting to see the scores so much lower.


When you say he "bombed" are you talking about his national percentile or his MCPS percentile? Scores "so much lower" than what?

Because if you are talking about the MCPS percentile, remember that is comparing your son to only students in MCPS who were invited to test due to strong academic data and/or whose parents requested testing-- less than half of the current 5th grade class. So, you would expect lower percentiles when you are changing the group you are comparing against. This group already removed most of the "outliers" who would typically score in the lower quartile- percentiles are like the old bell curve- some are at the top, most in the middle and a few at the bottom- so when MCPS is only looking at what would typically be their top half, the distribution of scores is going to change.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2019 21:31     Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am sorry some folks seem to be making light of the Lee MS situation. Look up the stats, people! The PPs have every reason to be concerned.

Rent a condo/ apartment in Parkwood or in any of the many buildings that feed Ashburton. MBMS is great - strong cohort.


Definitely a viable option.

Or, see if you can use a friend's address as your kid's mailing address.

We are at a non-W school, and there are several families that do this. Most friends would be happy to let you use their address.



Please don't do that. You'd be committing residency fraud.

Anonymous
Post 01/17/2019 21:22     Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:Does anyone else have a child who consistently scores at the top on standardized tests but did very poorly on the CogAT? Our DC (currently in a DCC CES) bombed the nonverbal and quantitative sections, and his verbal was lower too. He didn't get into either magnet. We weren't counting on his getting in, but it was disconcerting to see the scores so much lower.


Seems odd, especially if in compacted math. The nonverbal part less odd though. Either off, misunderstood stuff on Cogat day or, just a good focused student who works hard?
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2019 21:02     Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Does anyone else have a child who consistently scores at the top on standardized tests but did very poorly on the CogAT? Our DC (currently in a DCC CES) bombed the nonverbal and quantitative sections, and his verbal was lower too. He didn't get into either magnet. We weren't counting on his getting in, but it was disconcerting to see the scores so much lower.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2019 20:41     Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
Anonymous wrote:I am sorry some folks seem to be making light of the Lee MS situation. Look up the stats, people! The PPs have every reason to be concerned.

Rent a condo/ apartment in Parkwood or in any of the many buildings that feed Ashburton. MBMS is great - strong cohort.


Definitely a viable option.

Or, see if you can use a friend's address as your kid's mailing address.

We are at a non-W school, and there are several families that do this. Most friends would be happy to let you use their address.

Anonymous
Post 01/17/2019 19:25     Subject: New thread -- actual MS magnet results
I am sorry some folks seem to be making light of the Lee MS situation. Look up the stats, people! The PPs have every reason to be concerned.

Rent a condo/ apartment in Parkwood or in any of the many buildings that feed Ashburton. MBMS is great - strong cohort.