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Anonymous wrote:Water birthing in a hospital perhaps? No damn way is anyone putting a belt across me when I'm in labor. Wouldn't work in the birthing pool anyway. And how would i be able to move the way i need to to alleviate pain?

My hospital (in DC area) didn't have remote monitoring. My options were pitocin or to go against medical advise and insurance wouldn't pay. So I took pitocin and monitoring. There went any change of me moving to alleviate pain or a birthing pool. I just laid on my back in pain because that's all I could do. I felt unsupported.

You're kidding, right? Hospitals and OBs don't still do this, do they? That's what they did to women in the 1950s. That's what they did to me. Lying on your back is pure hell and the most unnatural position one could possibly give birth in. Surely birthing procedures have improve since then? Lots of walking around to get/keep things moving?

lying on your back is because you're getting monitoring because you got induced. they don't tie you to the bed! PP's issue is that she declined the epidural and decided to inflict additional pain on herself.

Lol right. It's called an epidural first PP.

Also why were you laying on your back if you didn't want? I had the same kind of induction you did, and I was able to adjust the bed so I was propped up quite comfortably. I also didn't want to be in pain, so I got the epidural.

Anyway, this whole thing hurts my heart. I can't believe any expectant mom would risk their safety and the safety of their baby, and then be so blase about the baby dying. "comings and goings?" Get the f*ck out of here. She caused the death of her child through her own negligence, to chalk it up to "that's just the way of the universe" strikes me as just....incredibly narcissistic.....Just like the freebirth movement itself.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Water birthing in a hospital perhaps? No damn way is anyone putting a belt across me when I'm in labor. Wouldn't work in the birthing pool anyway. And how would i be able to move the way i need to to alleviate pain?

My hospital (in DC area) didn't have remote monitoring. My options were pitocin or to go against medical advise and insurance wouldn't pay. So I took pitocin and monitoring. There went any change of me moving to alleviate pain or a birthing pool. I just laid on my back in pain because that's all I could do. I felt unsupported.

You're kidding, right? Hospitals and OBs don't still do this, do they? That's what they did to women in the 1950s. That's what they did to me. Lying on your back is pure hell and the most unnatural position one could possibly give birth in. Surely birthing procedures have improve since then? Lots of walking around to get/keep things moving?

lying on your back is because you're getting monitoring because you got induced. they don't tie you to the bed! PP's issue is that she declined the epidural and decided to inflict additional pain on herself.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Water birthing in a hospital perhaps? No damn way is anyone putting a belt across me when I'm in labor. Wouldn't work in the birthing pool anyway. And how would i be able to move the way i need to to alleviate pain?

My hospital (in DC area) didn't have remote monitoring. My options were pitocin or to go against medical advise and insurance wouldn't pay. So I took pitocin and monitoring. There went any change of me moving to alleviate pain or a birthing pool. I just laid on my back in pain because that's all I could do. I felt unsupported.

You're kidding, right? Hospitals and OBs don't still do this, do they? That's what they did to women in the 1950s. That's what they did to me. Lying on your back is pure hell and the most unnatural position one could possibly give birth in. Surely birthing procedures have improve since then? Lots of walking around to get/keep things moving?

Hahgahahah. No.

- someone who has had 3 babies in the past 5 years in 3 different hospitals around the US.

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Anonymous wrote:Before OBs existed, and EVERY birth was overseen by midwives, the maternal death rate was 1 in 3. Now you want to suggest the solution to today’s maternal death rates, which while not perfect, are no where near 1 in 3, by going back to a no doctor/hospital/surgery/medicine model? It a makes no sense.

Literally no one has suggested a non-medical model. No one. People are advocating for using medical interventions judiciously, not foregoing medical care.

Now, time for a history lesson lest you continue demonizing midwives armed with nothing but ignornace.

1 in 3? Before antibiotics were invented it was more like 1 in 100-200. Interestingly, when obstetricians started attending births, maternal deaths increased because they hadn't discovered germ theory yet. Whereas midwives, who didn't have antibiotics either, were at least not touching cadavers immediately before touching women's bodies in childbirth.

https://ourworldindata.org/maternal-mortality

Um, the topic of this pose is freebirth. so yes, someone is suggesting a non-medical model.

Don't be obtuse. The consensus on this thread has been that no one would responsibly make that choice.. they're either irresponsible or feel they have no other choice for personal reasons. Then the choice conversation evolved into talking about care models

Agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Water birthing in a hospital perhaps? No damn way is anyone putting a belt across me when I'm in labor. Wouldn't work in the birthing pool anyway. And how would i be able to move the way i need to to alleviate pain?

My hospital (in DC area) didn't have remote monitoring. My options were pitocin or to go against medical advise and insurance wouldn't pay. So I took pitocin and monitoring. There went any change of me moving to alleviate pain or a birthing pool. I just laid on my back in pain because that's all I could do. I felt unsupported.

You're kidding, right? Hospitals and OBs don't still do this, do they? That's what they did to women in the 1950s. That's what they did to me. Lying on your back is pure hell and the most unnatural position one could possibly give birth in. Surely birthing procedures have improve since then? Lots of walking around to get/keep things moving?

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Anonymous wrote:Before OBs existed, and EVERY birth was overseen by midwives, the maternal death rate was 1 in 3. Now you want to suggest the solution to today’s maternal death rates, which while not perfect, are no where near 1 in 3, by going back to a no doctor/hospital/surgery/medicine model? It a makes no sense.

Literally no one has suggested a non-medical model. No one. People are advocating for using medical interventions judiciously, not foregoing medical care.

Now, time for a history lesson lest you continue demonizing midwives armed with nothing but ignornace.

1 in 3? Before antibiotics were invented it was more like 1 in 100-200. Interestingly, when obstetricians started attending births, maternal deaths increased because they hadn't discovered germ theory yet. Whereas midwives, who didn't have antibiotics either, were at least not touching cadavers immediately before touching women's bodies in childbirth.

https://ourworldindata.org/maternal-mortality

Um, the topic of this pose is freebirth. so yes, someone is suggesting a non-medical model.

Don't be obtuse. The consensus on this thread has been that no one would responsibly make that choice.. they're either irresponsible or feel they have no other choice for personal reasons. Then the choice conversation evolved into talking about care models

I am the VBAC poster who contemplated freebirth, and no, I am not suggesting forgeoing medical care entirely. My dream would be a true informed consent paradigm while being treated with respect. And no coercion.

I personally know a woman who planned a home birth and refused to go to the hospital when her water had been broken for almost 3 days and she didn’t have contractions yet. Her souls and midwife quit and left her. She luckily was able to find another midwife to assist her - risking her license in the process - and had a healthy baby after 4.5 days. When they told us the story we were in shock and how irresponsible it was.

There was a woman in an infertility support group I was in who had trouble breastfeeding and decided to make her own formula. I have no idea how her baby turned out. I wanted to call CPS but I didn’t have her full name.