Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 09:22     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We should also stop having children of our own as long as there are kids who need adoption!


That makes no sense. Literally.

+1


Oh but it does make sense under the bizarre logic of the OP. OP tells us that anyone who chooses a specific dog from a breeder rather than one of the many unwanted ones in a shelter is responsible for their euthanasia, and is selfish for wanting a particular dog rather than rescuing. By that logic, other people have had children that they can't or won't raise. Those children are in foster care, orphanages, and other temporary care environments. It's selfish to be picky about the type of child you want (ie. a bio child), when there are already all these other perfectly good children out there in the world in need of homes.

This is exactly the argument that OP and whatever other strident idiots are making, that if a child never finds a permanent home then any family who gave birth to their own child rather than adopting is responsible for the plight of the one without a family. Just like any family that chooses a specific dog from a breeder is responsible for the death of a dog in a shelter.

It's incredibly extreme in terms of defining our responsibilities with regard to others, and it puts all of us at the mercy of the worst decision-makers among us. I hate the idea that dogs are euthanized, but I don't think it's my job to support puppy mills every time a rescue swoops in and gets all the dogs.


Not exactly. She’s saying let’s not pay people (breeders) to create more puppies that are more to our desires when they already exist. Are people PURPOSEFULLY creating more orphans that are to a specific race or other characteristics? That is the comparison.


+1000

These arguments are so specious.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 09:21     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We should also stop having children of our own as long as there are kids who need adoption!


That makes no sense. Literally.

+1


Oh but it does make sense under the bizarre logic of the OP. OP tells us that anyone who chooses a specific dog from a breeder rather than one of the many unwanted ones in a shelter is responsible for their euthanasia, and is selfish for wanting a particular dog rather than rescuing. By that logic, other people have had children that they can't or won't raise. Those children are in foster care, orphanages, and other temporary care environments. It's selfish to be picky about the type of child you want (ie. a bio child), when there are already all these other perfectly good children out there in the world in need of homes.

This is exactly the argument that OP and whatever other strident idiots are making, that if a child never finds a permanent home then any family who gave birth to their own child rather than adopting is responsible for the plight of the one without a family. Just like any family that chooses a specific dog from a breeder is responsible for the death of a dog in a shelter.

It's incredibly extreme in terms of defining our responsibilities with regard to others, and it puts all of us at the mercy of the worst decision-makers among us. I hate the idea that dogs are euthanized, but I don't think it's my job to support puppy mills every time a rescue swoops in and gets all the dogs.


This truly takes the prize for the most disingenuous argument on this thread.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 09:18     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:This is a sad post. Some of us adopt dogs from rescues and shelters. Some of us like breeder pups. Whatever!!! I see a craze for Doodles right now because everyone has allergies. Fine. If you need a doodle get one. I’m having fun with my dog. Who the hell cares?


Some of us are concerned about things going on beyond our own front doors.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 09:16     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:Because I'd rather support ethical breeders than the puppy mill and auction world. Many rescues prop those up and keep those markets going (except for pit bulls and Chihuahua mixes) by providing a steady market for them.

OP why do you support puppy mills and puppy auctions? How do you sleep at night?


This is absolutely not why you're going the breeder route. You're being dishonest. You just want a designer dog.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 08:04     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We should also stop having children of our own as long as there are kids who need adoption!


That makes no sense. Literally.

+1


Oh but it does make sense under the bizarre logic of the OP. OP tells us that anyone who chooses a specific dog from a breeder rather than one of the many unwanted ones in a shelter is responsible for their euthanasia, and is selfish for wanting a particular dog rather than rescuing. By that logic, other people have had children that they can't or won't raise. Those children are in foster care, orphanages, and other temporary care environments. It's selfish to be picky about the type of child you want (ie. a bio child), when there are already all these other perfectly good children out there in the world in need of homes.

This is exactly the argument that OP and whatever other strident idiots are making, that if a child never finds a permanent home then any family who gave birth to their own child rather than adopting is responsible for the plight of the one without a family. Just like any family that chooses a specific dog from a breeder is responsible for the death of a dog in a shelter.

It's incredibly extreme in terms of defining our responsibilities with regard to others, and it puts all of us at the mercy of the worst decision-makers among us. I hate the idea that dogs are euthanized, but I don't think it's my job to support puppy mills every time a rescue swoops in and gets all the dogs.


Not exactly. She’s saying let’s not pay people (breeders) to create more puppies that are more to our desires when they already exist. Are people PURPOSEFULLY creating more orphans that are to a specific race or other characteristics? That is the comparison.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 08:01     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We should also stop having children of our own as long as there are kids who need adoption!


That makes no sense. Literally.

+1


Oh but it does make sense under the bizarre logic of the OP. OP tells us that anyone who chooses a specific dog from a breeder rather than one of the many unwanted ones in a shelter is responsible for their euthanasia, and is selfish for wanting a particular dog rather than rescuing. By that logic, other people have had children that they can't or won't raise. Those children are in foster care, orphanages, and other temporary care environments. It's selfish to be picky about the type of child you want (ie. a bio child), when there are already all these other perfectly good children out there in the world in need of homes.

This is exactly the argument that OP and whatever other strident idiots are making, that if a child never finds a permanent home then any family who gave birth to their own child rather than adopting is responsible for the plight of the one without a family. Just like any family that chooses a specific dog from a breeder is responsible for the death of a dog in a shelter.

It's incredibly extreme in terms of defining our responsibilities with regard to others, and it puts all of us at the mercy of the worst decision-makers among us. I hate the idea that dogs are euthanized, but I don't think it's my job to support puppy mills every time a rescue swoops in and gets all the dogs.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 07:49     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We should also stop having children of our own as long as there are kids who need adoption!


That makes no sense. Literally.

+1
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 07:48     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I rescued my dog, and my husband rescued his. We had to rehome his dog after years of struggling and working with a trainer because the dog developed a terrible phobia and tore apart the house/hurt himself every day...when the mailman drove by. He now lives out in a very rural area with our friends, after years of heartache. My dog is medicated for anxiety and can’t be trusted with anyone but me. I have two small children. I love my dog and am devoted to him. He changed my life for the better. When we are ready for another dog, I will be getting a dog that is more family friendly. And it might come from a breeder. And I do not feel badly. Rescues are great but dogs that have not been socialized are unpredictable, period. My dog was relatively normal when I adopted him, but he is barely functioning 10 years later. It is what it is. People have different needs at different times in their lives and should not be shamed for it. Once my children are grown, I will go back to rescues.

So get a puppy from a rescue and socialize him yourself! Getting a puppy from a breeder is no guarantee it’s good with kids.


I absolutely will, if the puppies are not pit mixes and they are in foster, so that the foster parent knows their temperaments the way a breeder would. I get that there are no guarantees. The puppy from a rescue might be a good option since we are in an area with a lot of dogs that get sent up from the south. I am not going to get a puppy for at least two years, so right now I am doing my homework. I still don’t think ethical breeders add to a problem, I think they are part of the solution.

I’m not going to address the last sentence, but I just want to put in a plug for the Wolf Trap Rescue. It seems like it would be a good fit for you when you are ready to get a puppy.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 07:41     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:Shelters are full of purebred beagles and other hounds.


Love beagles (and all hounds) and I find it wonderful they are so easy to rescue. We had breeder dogs growing up but it never occurred to me to get a beagle from a breeder when there are so many puppies for rescue. But, I knew I wanted a beagle so the choice was easy. A lot of people can’t/won’t put up with their antics.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 07:26     Subject: Re:How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
80 percent of the dogs around here in shelters are pitbulls. The rescue people for the other dogs are nuts.

No thanks.

Oh and I had a rescue dog. Worst dog I ever owned
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 06:44     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Because of allergies. Plain and simple. It was the only way my kids could grow up with a dog.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 06:42     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
This is a sad post. Some of us adopt dogs from rescues and shelters. Some of us like breeder pups. Whatever!!! I see a craze for Doodles right now because everyone has allergies. Fine. If you need a doodle get one. I’m having fun with my dog. Who the hell cares?
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 06:35     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:We should also stop having children of our own as long as there are kids who need adoption!


That makes no sense. Literally.
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 06:33     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
How do you justify having a dog at all? Shouldn’t all the money you spend on a dog go to help people in need?
Anonymous
Post 10/31/2018 06:22     Subject: How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I rescued my dog, and my husband rescued his. We had to rehome his dog after years of struggling and working with a trainer because the dog developed a terrible phobia and tore apart the house/hurt himself every day...when the mailman drove by. He now lives out in a very rural area with our friends, after years of heartache. My dog is medicated for anxiety and can’t be trusted with anyone but me. I have two small children. I love my dog and am devoted to him. He changed my life for the better. When we are ready for another dog, I will be getting a dog that is more family friendly. And it might come from a breeder. And I do not feel badly. Rescues are great but dogs that have not been socialized are unpredictable, period. My dog was relatively normal when I adopted him, but he is barely functioning 10 years later. It is what it is. People have different needs at different times in their lives and should not be shamed for it. Once my children are grown, I will go back to rescues.

So get a puppy from a rescue and socialize him yourself! Getting a puppy from a breeder is no guarantee it’s good with kids.


I absolutely will, if the puppies are not pit mixes and they are in foster, so that the foster parent knows their temperaments the way a breeder would. I get that there are no guarantees. The puppy from a rescue might be a good option since we are in an area with a lot of dogs that get sent up from the south. I am not going to get a puppy for at least two years, so right now I am doing my homework. I still don’t think ethical breeders add to a problem, I think they are part of the solution.