Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 20:18     Subject: residency fraud? (!)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So are most of those cheaters low income but want to attend “better” schools?

Not in my experience. I know 2 families who live in Maryland and another 3 families who live in DC but use rental properties or family’s properties to get in-bounds for our desirable school. They all are very well off.


So report these families to the tips line if you haven't already done so, and leave it at that.

You don't make or enforce the rules on school residency. If the OSSE isn't on board with your strict sounding definition of residency fraud, what you can you do but lobby them to tight up their rules and/or lose sleep over something you almost certainly can't change?

Sounds like a big waste of time.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 20:07     Subject: Re:residency fraud? (!)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Total BS. Where is the long line of cars with Maryland plates pulling up at Brent, Maury, SWS, Logan Montessori or even Ludlow? That, my friend, is fiction in 2018.


The residency cheaters I know of on Capitol Hill live in DC, but not in bounds for the school they attend through residency fraud.


If you're certain that these "residency fraud" perps don't own or rent an in-boundary property, and didn't lottery in from OOB, why not report them to OSSE instead of bitching here?

Sorry to say, your definition of in-bounds is unlikely to correspond to OSSE's. From what I can tell, DC really only cares if parents file DC income tax returns from an in-boundary address, pick up school-related correspondence there, and get their kids to school on time consistently. No objections to the arrangement (and I live across the street from the IB school where we enroll our kids).


No one is talking about people who got in OOB. We're talking about using a fake address to get IB status. It's cheating.


So what are you gonna do about it? Besides be mad, report it, follow people home, then still be mad because they’re still gonna be at the school? What is the point of all this? Can someone please explain this to me? You are all wasting time worrying about all this and complaining about this subject, when your efforts are going to be lost.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 20:05     Subject: Re:residency fraud? (!)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Total BS. Where is the long line of cars with Maryland plates pulling up at Brent, Maury, SWS, Logan Montessori or even Ludlow? That, my friend, is fiction in 2018.


The residency cheaters I know of on Capitol Hill live in DC, but not in bounds for the school they attend through residency fraud.


If you're certain that these "residency fraud" perps don't own or rent an in-boundary property, and didn't lottery in from OOB, why not report them to OSSE instead of bitching here?

Sorry to say, your definition of in-bounds is unlikely to correspond to OSSE's. From what I can tell, DC really only cares if parents file DC income tax returns from an in-boundary address, pick up school-related correspondence there, and get their kids to school on time consistently. No objections to the arrangement (and I live across the street from the IB school where we enroll our kids).


No one is talking about people who got in OOB. We're talking about using a fake address to get IB status. It's cheating.


I’ve also heard that a lot of people rent a studio to get IB status--and that this happens WOTP too. All of it is cheating the system.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 19:56     Subject: Re:residency fraud? (!)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Total BS. Where is the long line of cars with Maryland plates pulling up at Brent, Maury, SWS, Logan Montessori or even Ludlow? That, my friend, is fiction in 2018.


The residency cheaters I know of on Capitol Hill live in DC, but not in bounds for the school they attend through residency fraud.


If you're certain that these "residency fraud" perps don't own or rent an in-boundary property, and didn't lottery in from OOB, why not report them to OSSE instead of bitching here?

Sorry to say, your definition of in-bounds is unlikely to correspond to OSSE's. From what I can tell, DC really only cares if parents file DC income tax returns from an in-boundary address, pick up school-related correspondence there, and get their kids to school on time consistently. No objections to the arrangement (and I live across the street from the IB school where we enroll our kids).


No one is talking about people who got in OOB. We're talking about using a fake address to get IB status. It's cheating.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 19:21     Subject: residency fraud? (!)
Anonymous wrote:So true. I know a MD family who kids attend an immersion charter with a huge waiting list. Totally taking a spot from a DC kid and money from DC taxpayers. Shouldn't be allowed.


But how do you know they live in MD? Because of their plates? That doesn’t mean they live in MD. Lots of people with MD plates live in DC. And I know some of you dummies are gonna say “Well then they should get DC plates.”

Bottom line, none of you can do ANYTHING about any of this. Therefore mind your dam business
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 18:31     Subject: residency fraud? (!)
So true. I know a MD family who kids attend an immersion charter with a huge waiting list. Totally taking a spot from a DC kid and money from DC taxpayers. Shouldn't be allowed.
Anonymous
Post 10/08/2018 12:58     Subject: residency fraud? (!)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Everyone so worried about MD plates at drop off and pick up get a life and a hobby. As much as you bitch and moan nothing is going to be done about it. You can get as mad as you want but you have no control over the situation. You’re just gonna huff and puff and stay mad. You are all looking silly...following people home and stuff. You can’t do anything but be mad and report it. And then stay mad because whoever you report is gonna continue to be right at the school. Pointless energy

+100
Let them huff and puff, like anything is going to change.
They should thank those MD students for keeping DC schools afloat.


Not so fast. First of all, MD fraudsters take spots in sought-after schools like Ellington, Wilson, Deal, Hardy, some WOTP elementaries and highly-ranked charters. These would otherwise go to DC students who can't get in. Second, to the extent that fraudsters are keeping some failing DC schools afloat, how is that a good thing? It's diverting scarce tax dollars to inefficient uses, instead of being put to use providing educational support, tutoring, speciality teachers, science labs to students who actually live in the District.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2018 17:33     Subject: Re:residency fraud? (!)
Anonymous wrote:Residency cheaters are generally people who have very nice homes in PG. I have known quite a few parents who grew up in DC and went to DCPS themselves. They have since moved our of the city but still have parents in the original house, so they use that address. They say "PG schools are worse" and that "DCPS is more convenient".
There are also families that own rental properties and use those addresses-that's what the family with husband and wife high ranking metro PD officers did.
So, no not low SES at all.

Also, I heard that there is ONE fraud investigator working for OSSE, really?



After the Ellington brouhaha, the Council gave OSSE funding for a second residency person.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2018 16:21     Subject: Re:residency fraud? (!)
Residency cheaters are generally people who have very nice homes in PG. I have known quite a few parents who grew up in DC and went to DCPS themselves. They have since moved our of the city but still have parents in the original house, so they use that address. They say "PG schools are worse" and that "DCPS is more convenient".
There are also families that own rental properties and use those addresses-that's what the family with husband and wife high ranking metro PD officers did.
So, no not low SES at all.

Also, I heard that there is ONE fraud investigator working for OSSE, really?
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2018 16:21     Subject: residency fraud? (!)
Anonymous wrote:Everyone so worried about MD plates at drop off and pick up get a life and a hobby. As much as you bitch and moan nothing is going to be done about it. You can get as mad as you want but you have no control over the situation. You’re just gonna huff and puff and stay mad. You are all looking silly...following people home and stuff. You can’t do anything but be mad and report it. And then stay mad because whoever you report is gonna continue to be right at the school. Pointless energy

+100
Let them huff and puff, like anything is going to change.
They should thank those MD students for keeping DC schools afloat.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2018 16:15     Subject: residency fraud? (!)
Anonymous wrote:So are most of those cheaters low income but want to attend “better” schools?

No. There's no better schools in DC. It is just a mtater of convenience for jobs, childcare.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2018 15:34     Subject: Re:residency fraud? (!)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Total BS. Where is the long line of cars with Maryland plates pulling up at Brent, Maury, SWS, Logan Montessori or even Ludlow? That, my friend, is fiction in 2018.


The residency cheaters I know of on Capitol Hill live in DC, but not in bounds for the school they attend through residency fraud.


If you're certain that these "residency fraud" perps don't own or rent an in-boundary property, and didn't lottery in from OOB, why not report them to OSSE instead of bitching here?

Sorry to say, your definition of in-bounds is unlikely to correspond to OSSE's. From what I can tell, DC really only cares if parents file DC income tax returns from an in-boundary address, pick up school-related correspondence there, and get their kids to school on time consistently. No objections to the arrangement (and I live across the street from the IB school where we enroll our kids).


The residency cheaters probably aren't cheaters, at least not in the City's terms. Everybody seems to "know" of cases, but nobody gets busted. Go figure. PP drama queens and busybodies do like to cast aspersions.

I have reported cheaters with multiple links providing evidence, even a link to the cheater’s own listserv post selling things “because [they’re] moving to Bethesda.” OSSE has ONE PERSON ldealing with this issue, or did until recently. Nothing is done when you report.


OSSE is worthless.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2018 14:43     Subject: residency fraud? (!)
Most are upper middle class who want an easier commute downtown after drop off. It is the low income DC students who are cheated by them.
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2018 14:07     Subject: residency fraud? (!)
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:To the person following someone home- this is stalking and its against the law.


Following someone home isn’t “stalking.” Nice try, though.


And it’s a nice drive out to P.G. anyway
Anonymous
Post 10/07/2018 08:56     Subject: residency fraud? (!)
Anonymous wrote:So are most of those cheaters low income but want to attend “better” schools?

Not in my experience. I know 2 families who live in Maryland and another 3 families who live in DC but use rental properties or family’s properties to get in-bounds for our desirable school. They all are very well off.