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Anonymous wrote:The prostitutes don’t come around until close to 5am (construction worker clients). They are completely irrelevant to a conversation about 8pm. Although I have said it is insane to think it is unsafe to run at 8pm here, I personally wouldn’t feel safe running at5am.

This thread is enough to give anyone serious pause about living in Logan Circle or nearby neighborhoods, I must say.

Anonymous wrote:The prostitutes don’t come around until close to 5am (construction worker clients). They are completely irrelevant to a conversation about 8pm. Although I have said it is insane to think it is unsafe to run at 8pm here, I personally wouldn’t feel safe running at5am.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

This! x a million.

Act like you live in our current world, not the way you think things "should be." So many people just don't get this.

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That's how we get to living in a society like Saudi, where women can't go out, travel alone, dress a certain way, because men can't control themselves or their actions. Give the men a curfew. Start redirecting, and telling men to be responsible - explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc. When you keep putting it on the shoulders of women, the entitlement of men and boys grow - they have no reason to change their end.

I am a female runner, and I am f*cking tired of this sh!t.

That's quite a leap you're making.

I'm a female runner as well, and I know enough to not run in unsafe situations. It's not that hard.

And lol at "explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc." I'm sure they'll listen!

Really? So what did the victim do wrong here? She was running in a populated, largely safe urban neighborhood before dark.

Are we sure it wasn't dark? Incident occurred around 8pm. The sun set yesterday at 7:13. Looks pretty dark out on the surveillance video, too.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?! Who the eff cares if it was totally dark, or maybe dusk, or even if it was pitch black. Women should be able to run at night, ALONE, anytime of day without morons on the internet saying THEY should have done something differently to "be safe". This woman did nothing wrong. She was violently attacked and murdered for seemingly no reason. If that doesn't send chills up your spine, seek help. But arguing about the status of daylight is not the point of the arguments above. You are part of the problem.

Of course they should be able to. Absolutely. But they can’t. Because it’s not safe. Wishful thinking does not make it otherwise.

That's completely absurd. So you think 50% of the population should be crippled in their ability to get to and from work, pick up their kids from aftercare/daycare, etc? The sun sets a FIVE PM at the height of winter!

Actually I think we are in agreement. We both believe that all people (women and men both) should be safe in that area at all times. But I am saying that it is currently not safe for anyone. That’s a fact. And we should demand that that change, by enforcing vagrancy laws and eradicating the prostitution in the area for starters. But the DC Government seems unwilling or unable to do that sadly.

Also absurd. Although this was an awful tragedy, we don't need to sweep the streets of all homeless people or exaggerate the actual situation. The reason this was so shocking is because it was rare.

Really? That's what the police want you to think, but actually it is shockingly common. We used to live very close to where this attack took place (10th and M) and in a matter of a few years, there were three murders around us. In fact, my husband was severely beaten (into a coma) close by.

People seem to have forgotten these as well -

https://wtop.com/dc/2017/09/dc-man-pleads-guilty-christmas-killing-yoga-teacher/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/lawyer-killer-24-years-lux-hotel-murder-article-1.2334575

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

This! x a million.

Act like you live in our current world, not the way you think things "should be." So many people just don't get this.

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That's how we get to living in a society like Saudi, where women can't go out, travel alone, dress a certain way, because men can't control themselves or their actions. Give the men a curfew. Start redirecting, and telling men to be responsible - explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc. When you keep putting it on the shoulders of women, the entitlement of men and boys grow - they have no reason to change their end.

I am a female runner, and I am f*cking tired of this sh!t.

That's quite a leap you're making.

I'm a female runner as well, and I know enough to not run in unsafe situations. It's not that hard.

And lol at "explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc." I'm sure they'll listen!

Really? So what did the victim do wrong here? She was running in a populated, largely safe urban neighborhood before dark.

Are we sure it wasn't dark? Incident occurred around 8pm. The sun set yesterday at 7:13. Looks pretty dark out on the surveillance video, too.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?! Who the eff cares if it was totally dark, or maybe dusk, or even if it was pitch black. Women should be able to run at night, ALONE, anytime of day without morons on the internet saying THEY should have done something differently to "be safe". This woman did nothing wrong. She was violently attacked and murdered for seemingly no reason. If that doesn't send chills up your spine, seek help. But arguing about the status of daylight is not the point of the arguments above. You are part of the problem.

Of course they should be able to. Absolutely. But they can’t. Because it’s not safe. Wishful thinking does not make it otherwise.

That's completely absurd. So you think 50% of the population should be crippled in their ability to get to and from work, pick up their kids from aftercare/daycare, etc? The sun sets a FIVE PM at the height of winter!

Actually I think we are in agreement. We both believe that all people (women and men both) should be safe in that area at all times. But I am saying that it is currently not safe for anyone. That’s a fact. And we should demand that that change, by enforcing vagrancy laws and eradicating the prostitution in the area for starters. But the DC Government seems unwilling or unable to do that sadly.

Also absurd. Although this was an awful tragedy, we don't need to sweep the streets of all homeless people or exaggerate the actual situation. The reason this was so shocking is because it was rare.

So you’re OK with our children sharing the streets with drug addicts and prostitutes as long as actual murders are relatively rare? Because I’m not. Other cities and countries manage to do it better, you know?

Right. Perhaps you should move to the Phillippines where President Duerte has suspected drug users gunned down in the street.
What’s 7,000 people when it makes people like you happy?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/dutertes-drug-war-7000-success-630392%3famp=1

Just stop the drama already, no one is advocating that.

You are if you want to clear the cities of the drug users and the homeless.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

This! x a million.

Act like you live in our current world, not the way you think things "should be." So many people just don't get this.

minus a million

That's how we get to living in a society like Saudi, where women can't go out, travel alone, dress a certain way, because men can't control themselves or their actions. Give the men a curfew. Start redirecting, and telling men to be responsible - explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc. When you keep putting it on the shoulders of women, the entitlement of men and boys grow - they have no reason to change their end.

I am a female runner, and I am f*cking tired of this sh!t.

That's quite a leap you're making.

I'm a female runner as well, and I know enough to not run in unsafe situations. It's not that hard.

And lol at "explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc." I'm sure they'll listen!

Really? So what did the victim do wrong here? She was running in a populated, largely safe urban neighborhood before dark.

Are we sure it wasn't dark? Incident occurred around 8pm. The sun set yesterday at 7:13. Looks pretty dark out on the surveillance video, too.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?! Who the eff cares if it was totally dark, or maybe dusk, or even if it was pitch black. Women should be able to run at night, ALONE, anytime of day without morons on the internet saying THEY should have done something differently to "be safe". This woman did nothing wrong. She was violently attacked and murdered for seemingly no reason. If that doesn't send chills up your spine, seek help. But arguing about the status of daylight is not the point of the arguments above. You are part of the problem.

Of course they should be able to. Absolutely. But they can’t. Because it’s not safe. Wishful thinking does not make it otherwise.

That's completely absurd. So you think 50% of the population should be crippled in their ability to get to and from work, pick up their kids from aftercare/daycare, etc? The sun sets a FIVE PM at the height of winter!

Actually I think we are in agreement. We both believe that all people (women and men both) should be safe in that area at all times. But I am saying that it is currently not safe for anyone. That’s a fact. And we should demand that that change, by enforcing vagrancy laws and eradicating the prostitution in the area for starters. But the DC Government seems unwilling or unable to do that sadly.

Also absurd. Although this was an awful tragedy, we don't need to sweep the streets of all homeless people or exaggerate the actual situation. The reason this was so shocking is because it was rare.

So you’re OK with our children sharing the streets with drug addicts and prostitutes as long as actual murders are relatively rare? Because I’m not. Other cities and countries manage to do it better, you know?

Right. Perhaps you should move to the Phillippines where President Duerte has suspected drug users gunned down in the street.
What’s 7,000 people when it makes people like you happy?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/dutertes-drug-war-7000-success-630392%3famp=1

Just stop the drama already, no one is advocating that.

Anonymous wrote:It looks like a woman as the POI in the video to me.

I lived in that neighborhood from 2009-2014 and definitely would have referred to it as safe but adjacent to areas not as safe. (Back then I had to leave very early for the airport every Friday morning and was very aware of the prostitution going on, but never felt unsafe because of it while I waited for me ride).

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

This! x a million.

Act like you live in our current world, not the way you think things "should be." So many people just don't get this.

minus a million

That's how we get to living in a society like Saudi, where women can't go out, travel alone, dress a certain way, because men can't control themselves or their actions. Give the men a curfew. Start redirecting, and telling men to be responsible - explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc. When you keep putting it on the shoulders of women, the entitlement of men and boys grow - they have no reason to change their end.

I am a female runner, and I am f*cking tired of this sh!t.

That's quite a leap you're making.

I'm a female runner as well, and I know enough to not run in unsafe situations. It's not that hard.

And lol at "explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc." I'm sure they'll listen!

Really? So what did the victim do wrong here? She was running in a populated, largely safe urban neighborhood before dark.

Are we sure it wasn't dark? Incident occurred around 8pm. The sun set yesterday at 7:13. Looks pretty dark out on the surveillance video, too.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?! Who the eff cares if it was totally dark, or maybe dusk, or even if it was pitch black. Women should be able to run at night, ALONE, anytime of day without morons on the internet saying THEY should have done something differently to "be safe". This woman did nothing wrong. She was violently attacked and murdered for seemingly no reason. If that doesn't send chills up your spine, seek help. But arguing about the status of daylight is not the point of the arguments above. You are part of the problem.

Of course they should be able to. Absolutely. But they can’t. Because it’s not safe. Wishful thinking does not make it otherwise.

That's completely absurd. So you think 50% of the population should be crippled in their ability to get to and from work, pick up their kids from aftercare/daycare, etc? The sun sets a FIVE PM at the height of winter!

Actually I think we are in agreement. We both believe that all people (women and men both) should be safe in that area at all times. But I am saying that it is currently not safe for anyone. That’s a fact. And we should demand that that change, by enforcing vagrancy laws and eradicating the prostitution in the area for starters. But the DC Government seems unwilling or unable to do that sadly.

Also absurd. Although this was an awful tragedy, we don't need to sweep the streets of all homeless people or exaggerate the actual situation. The reason this was so shocking is because it was rare.

So you’re OK with our children sharing the streets with drug addicts and prostitutes as long as actual murders are relatively rare? Because I’m not. Other cities and countries manage to do it better, you know?

Right. Perhaps you should move to the Phillippines where President Duerte has suspected drug users gunned down in the street.
What’s 7,000 people when it makes people like you happy?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/dutertes-drug-war-7000-success-630392%3famp=1

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Anonymous wrote:I wish DC would do something about the vagrants who have taken over the city. There was that guy who murdered that yoga teacher not too long ago in NW, and now this. I'm sure there are dozens more assaults that don't even make the news. The people posting about how this woman is too blame because she dared to jog at 8pm are awful.

I don’t think anyone is blaming the victim, but they are pointing out that this is unsafe behavior in this area in the hope that other potential victims will take heed.

Walking in the city during dinner time is unsafe? That is insane! Certifiable.

It is (or at least can be) when the city in question is DC, which does nothing to very little to control its crazed, drug addicted homeless population. You are literally taking your life in your hands.

Why are you blaming this on the homeless population?? And a lot of them are not ‘crazed’ or any bother to anyone.
No - you can’t rid of the city of all population groups that you don’t personally like. Nope.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

This! x a million.

Act like you live in our current world, not the way you think things "should be." So many people just don't get this.

minus a million

That's how we get to living in a society like Saudi, where women can't go out, travel alone, dress a certain way, because men can't control themselves or their actions. Give the men a curfew. Start redirecting, and telling men to be responsible - explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc. When you keep putting it on the shoulders of women, the entitlement of men and boys grow - they have no reason to change their end.

I am a female runner, and I am f*cking tired of this sh!t.

That's quite a leap you're making.

I'm a female runner as well, and I know enough to not run in unsafe situations. It's not that hard.

And lol at "explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc." I'm sure they'll listen!

Really? So what did the victim do wrong here? She was running in a populated, largely safe urban neighborhood before dark.

Are we sure it wasn't dark? Incident occurred around 8pm. The sun set yesterday at 7:13. Looks pretty dark out on the surveillance video, too.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?! Who the eff cares if it was totally dark, or maybe dusk, or even if it was pitch black. Women should be able to run at night, ALONE, anytime of day without morons on the internet saying THEY should have done something differently to "be safe". This woman did nothing wrong. She was violently attacked and murdered for seemingly no reason. If that doesn't send chills up your spine, seek help. But arguing about the status of daylight is not the point of the arguments above. You are part of the problem.

Of course they should be able to. Absolutely. But they can’t. Because it’s not safe. Wishful thinking does not make it otherwise.

That's completely absurd. So you think 50% of the population should be crippled in their ability to get to and from work, pick up their kids from aftercare/daycare, etc? The sun sets a FIVE PM at the height of winter!

Actually I think we are in agreement. We both believe that all people (women and men both) should be safe in that area at all times. But I am saying that it is currently not safe for anyone. That’s a fact. And we should demand that that change, by enforcing vagrancy laws and eradicating the prostitution in the area for starters. But the DC Government seems unwilling or unable to do that sadly.

Also absurd. Although this was an awful tragedy, we don't need to sweep the streets of all homeless people or exaggerate the actual situation. The reason this was so shocking is because it was rare.

So you’re OK with our children sharing the streets with drug addicts and prostitutes as long as actual murders are relatively rare? Because I’m not. Other cities and countries manage to do it better, you know?

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Anonymous wrote:I wish DC would do something about the vagrants who have taken over the city. There was that guy who murdered that yoga teacher not too long ago in NW, and now this. I'm sure there are dozens more assaults that don't even make the news. The people posting about how this woman is too blame because she dared to jog at 8pm are awful.

I don’t think anyone is blaming the victim, but they are pointing out that this is unsafe behavior in this area in the hope that other potential victims will take heed.

Walking in the city during dinner time is unsafe? That is insane! Certifiable.

It is (or at least can be) when the city in question is DC, which does nothing to very little to control its crazed, drug addicted homeless population. You are literally taking your life in your hands.

Go back to Ashburn and leave us city folk be, please.

There it is! We like our crappy city just the way it is!

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Anonymous wrote:I wish DC would do something about the vagrants who have taken over the city. There was that guy who murdered that yoga teacher not too long ago in NW, and now this. I'm sure there are dozens more assaults that don't even make the news. The people posting about how this woman is too blame because she dared to jog at 8pm are awful.

I don’t think anyone is blaming the victim, but they are pointing out that this is unsafe behavior in this area in the hope that other potential victims will take heed.

Walking in the city during dinner time is unsafe? That is insane! Certifiable.

It is (or at least can be) when the city in question is DC, which does nothing to very little to control its crazed, drug addicted homeless population. You are literally taking your life in your hands.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

This! x a million.

Act like you live in our current world, not the way you think things "should be." So many people just don't get this.

minus a million

That's how we get to living in a society like Saudi, where women can't go out, travel alone, dress a certain way, because men can't control themselves or their actions. Give the men a curfew. Start redirecting, and telling men to be responsible - explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc. When you keep putting it on the shoulders of women, the entitlement of men and boys grow - they have no reason to change their end.

I am a female runner, and I am f*cking tired of this sh!t.

That's quite a leap you're making.

I'm a female runner as well, and I know enough to not run in unsafe situations. It's not that hard.

And lol at "explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc." I'm sure they'll listen!

Really? So what did the victim do wrong here? She was running in a populated, largely safe urban neighborhood before dark.

Are we sure it wasn't dark? Incident occurred around 8pm. The sun set yesterday at 7:13. Looks pretty dark out on the surveillance video, too.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU?! Who the eff cares if it was totally dark, or maybe dusk, or even if it was pitch black. Women should be able to run at night, ALONE, anytime of day without morons on the internet saying THEY should have done something differently to "be safe". This woman did nothing wrong. She was violently attacked and murdered for seemingly no reason. If that doesn't send chills up your spine, seek help. But arguing about the status of daylight is not the point of the arguments above. You are part of the problem.

Of course they should be able to. Absolutely. But they can’t. Because it’s not safe. Wishful thinking does not make it otherwise.

That's completely absurd. So you think 50% of the population should be crippled in their ability to get to and from work, pick up their kids from aftercare/daycare, etc? The sun sets a FIVE PM at the height of winter!

Actually I think we are in agreement. We both believe that all people (women and men both) should be safe in that area at all times. But I am saying that it is currently not safe for anyone. That’s a fact. And we should demand that that change, by enforcing vagrancy laws and eradicating the prostitution in the area for starters. But the DC Government seems unwilling or unable to do that sadly.

Also absurd. Although this was an awful tragedy, we don't need to sweep the streets of all homeless people or exaggerate the actual situation. The reason this was so shocking is because it was rare.

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Anonymous wrote:Regardless of the idiot upthread who said it was dangerous to "think like that", women do need to be safe--meaning we need to be vigilant and aware of our surroundings when alone. We will always be prey for crazy men simply because we are (mostly) physically weaker. This is nothing new. Waiting for men to change how they act is not a solution so stay safe, ladies!

This! x a million.

Act like you live in our current world, not the way you think things "should be." So many people just don't get this.

minus a million

That's how we get to living in a society like Saudi, where women can't go out, travel alone, dress a certain way, because men can't control themselves or their actions. Give the men a curfew. Start redirecting, and telling men to be responsible - explicitly assert: don't attack, don't rape, don't shoot, don't kill, don't assault, etc. When you keep putting it on the shoulders of women, the entitlement of men and boys grow - they have no reason to change their end.

I am a female runner, and I am f*cking tired of this sh!t.

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Anonymous wrote:This and the woman brutally attacked by the police station on cap hill (thank god not killed) both sound to me like hate crimes. Very violent, not sexual, nothing stolen, umc young white women.

Actually I was thinking they both sound like random attacks by mentally ill drug users. WOC get attacked all the time; we just don't hear about. I seriously doubt race played a role, but race is why we're here talking about this murder instead of many others.