Anonymous wrote:Why do Marylanders think their commute is everyone else's problem?

They decided to take a job in another state. To most people, that would mean moving to that state, not driving to endanger almost every day. They simply have no regard for the rules of the road, so they got what they asked for. People who live in that area should not be fearing for their lives every day because of some a-hole drivers who think they are above the law. There are more and more each day, and it is truly out of control - much like the drivers themselves.

I agree. I never understood these decisions in this area. Why would someone living in MD want to cross a bridge to VA? Either move to VA or get a job in MD (or DC). Seems straightforward.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course the McLean residents do.

There are quite a few McLean residents AGAINST this proposal!

Uh, no, there aren't

If you attended the meeting last night, YES THERE ARE!!! It was 3:1 AGAINST the proposal, mostly local people. The idea is terrible. Solves little and creates bigger problems.

Only those upset by a proposal show up at these meetings. You know that. That's hardly demonstrative of public interest. I want it to go through but had to work

90% of life is showing up. When something is important, you show up. There were many hundreds of people who showed up last night, very few were from Maryland and there was no question that the proposal is not favored.

Of COURSE they didn't show up! They're in another state and also probably don't even know about it! I'm in Nova and wouldn't have known about it without this post! People who show up at these neighborhood things are the complainers. The opposition. That's why republicans won't do Town Halls anymore - they're a trap for liberals to stage fake demonstrations and then try to get some footage. THINK!

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Anonymous wrote:Of course the McLean residents do.

There are quite a few McLean residents AGAINST this proposal!

Uh, no, there aren't

If you attended the meeting last night, YES THERE ARE!!! It was 3:1 AGAINST the proposal, mostly local people. The idea is terrible. Solves little and creates bigger problems.

Only those upset by a proposal show up at these meetings. You know that. That's hardly demonstrative of public interest. I want it to go through but had to work

90% of life is showing up. When something is important, you show up. There were many hundreds of people who showed up last night, very few were from Maryland and there was no question that the proposal is not favored.

Of COURSE they didn't show up! They're in another state and also probably don't even know about it! I'm in Nova and wouldn't have known about it without this post! People who show up at these neighborhood things are the complainers. The opposition. That's why republicans won't do Town Halls anymore - they're a trap for liberals to stage fake demonstrations and then try to get some footage. THINK!

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Anonymous wrote:Of course the McLean residents do.

There are quite a few McLean residents AGAINST this proposal!

Uh, no, there aren't

If you attended the meeting last night, YES THERE ARE!!! It was 3:1 AGAINST the proposal, mostly local people. The idea is terrible. Solves little and creates bigger problems.

Only those upset by a proposal show up at these meetings. You know that. That's hardly demonstrative of public interest. I want it to go through but had to work

90% of life is showing up. When something is important, you show up. There were many hundreds of people who showed up last night, very few were from Maryland and there was no question that the proposal is not favored.

Anonymous wrote:I live in langley forest where balls hill hits Georgetown pike and I, along with many of my neighbors, are very much against this idea. One of the reasons we bought our home was easy access to the beltway as our family travels all over for school, work and a activities. Traffic is bad because traffic is bad. This won’t solve the problem. At best, it will inconvenience many of us who count on that ramp, push the spillover traffic to other neighborhoods and access points making those areas even worse (thereby further increasing travel times for all). It’s a terrible idea. As someone who was at last night’s meeting, it’s clear they have not thought through all of the consequences but were trying to throw a quick fix at a systemic problem that goes far beyond the ramp in its root cause.

. So you live on Wemberly and Live Oak and aren't affected unless you need to go somewhere. What if you need an ambulance.


If you really live there, then you know Balls Hill Road, Benjamin, Holyrood and all of the residential streets below Georgetown Pike are clogged with cars trying to get on the beltway. Fire engines and emergency personnel cannot get through. I've seen parents taking photos on Dead Run - a residential street - their kids can't even go out and play in the afternoons. And even if you live on Wemberly or Live Oak and don't go through the intersection at those times, and don't have congestion in your neighborhood, what if you need a fire engine or EMT? So, gosh, to get to your "activities" you drive over chain bridge to get to your activities. Or you drive south on the Beltway (that won't be closed). Or you drop down one mile to the Tysons onramp between 1-7 M-F to go north on the Beltway. You can't use the northbound onramp as it is because of congestion - so why fuss now?

I live in langley forest where balls hill hits Georgetown pike and I, along with many of my neighbors, are very much against this idea. One of the reasons we bought our home was easy access to the beltway as our family travels all over for school, work and a activities. Traffic is bad because traffic is bad. This won’t solve the problem. At best, it will inconvenience many of us who count on that ramp, push the spillover traffic to other neighborhoods and access points making those areas even worse (thereby further increasing travel times for all). It’s a terrible idea. As someone who was at last night’s meeting, it’s clear they have not thought through all of the consequences but were trying to throw a quick fix at a systemic problem that goes far beyond the ramp in its root cause.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course the McLean residents do.

There are quite a few McLean residents AGAINST this proposal!

Uh, no, there aren't

If you attended the meeting last night, YES THERE ARE!!! It was 3:1 AGAINST the proposal, mostly local people. The idea is terrible. Solves little and creates bigger problems.

Only those upset by a proposal show up at these meetings. You know that. That's hardly demonstrative of public interest. I want it to go through but had to work

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Anonymous wrote:Of course the McLean residents do.

There are quite a few McLean residents AGAINST this proposal!

Uh, no, there aren't

If you attended the meeting last night, YES THERE ARE!!! It was 3:1 AGAINST the proposal, mostly local people. The idea is terrible. Solves little and creates bigger problems.

If they’d held the meeting at Langley HS, which is actually on Georgetown Pike, rather than McLean HS, there might have been more supporters of the proposal.

Following your logic then, people in the impacted area will not drive 2.6 miles to go to a meeting on this most important issue. Well if that is how much they don't drive, then they should stay home between 1-7pm everyday and shut up about the horrible ramp idea.

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Anonymous wrote:There is not the volume of/as many Virginia commuters endangering one particular area of Maryland at one time, as there are Maryland commuters doing so in Virginia. It seems PP is poorly attempting to deflect the real issues and OP’s point.

There are plenty of Virginia drivers in DC though, and of course lots of Fairfax County drivers endangering people in Arlington and Alexandria.

I admit that is neither here nor there to the specifics of this road. Maybe the change makes sense. But if someone is going to get on his high horse and say "suck it up, if you work in a jurisdiction, you should move there" that should be applied all over, or not at all.

There is a ramp at Tysons that works really well.

My DC went to Madeira. If she had to drive back to Tysons to get on the beltway it would have made for a much longer commute home. Also seems like it would make the ride to sports games (many of which are in MD and DC) much longer. So I hope for Madeira's sake this proposal doesn't go through. Not to mention the people along Georgetown Pike who have kids going to Maryland and DC private schools. I know many people who did this commute for school and they can't be too excited about closing the ramp.

Seriously?

+1. Your snowflake will survive and it's only 1-7 p.m. and I imagine school buses would be exempt.

Yes, let's call people people snowflakes. Be best!

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Anonymous wrote:Of course the McLean residents do.

There are quite a few McLean residents AGAINST this proposal!

Uh, no, there aren't

If you attended the meeting last night, YES THERE ARE!!! It was 3:1 AGAINST the proposal, mostly local people. The idea is terrible. Solves little and creates bigger problems.

If they’d held the meeting at Langley HS, which is actually on Georgetown Pike, rather than McLean HS, there might have been more supporters of the proposal.

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Anonymous wrote:There is not the volume of/as many Virginia commuters endangering one particular area of Maryland at one time, as there are Maryland commuters doing so in Virginia. It seems PP is poorly attempting to deflect the real issues and OP’s point.

There are plenty of Virginia drivers in DC though, and of course lots of Fairfax County drivers endangering people in Arlington and Alexandria.

I admit that is neither here nor there to the specifics of this road. Maybe the change makes sense. But if someone is going to get on his high horse and say "suck it up, if you work in a jurisdiction, you should move there" that should be applied all over, or not at all.

There is a ramp at Tysons that works really well.

My DC went to Madeira. If she had to drive back to Tysons to get on the beltway it would have made for a much longer commute home. Also seems like it would make the ride to sports games (many of which are in MD and DC) much longer. So I hope for Madeira's sake this proposal doesn't go through. Not to mention the people along Georgetown Pike who have kids going to Maryland and DC private schools. I know many people who did this commute for school and they can't be too excited about closing the ramp.

Seriously?

+1. Your snowflake will survive and it's only 1-7 p.m. and I imagine school buses would be exempt.

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Anonymous wrote:Why do Marylanders think their commute is everyone else's problem?

They decided to take a job in another state. To most people, that would mean moving to that state, not driving to endanger almost every day. They simply have no regard for the rules of the road, so they got what they asked for. People who live in that area should not be fearing for their lives every day because of some a-hole drivers who think they are above the law. There are more and more each day, and it is truly out of control - much like the drivers themselves.

Of course no one in McLean works in DC, right?

Are we talking about MD vs. VA or something else entirely? Maybe you should start your own thread?

We are talking about the closing of a particular ramp. Which inconveniences some people. To which some McLean respondent said - if you take a job in another state, you should move to that state, and not endanger people who live in that state. There are definitely people in McLean who get jobs in DC, and do not move there. Many or most of them drive into DC. At least a few drive dangerously in DC (it's of course easy to tell a Va driver in DC from the license plate, and the make of car can tell you if its an affluent Virginian, though not every driver of luxury cars with Va plates in DC is from McLean - of course bumper stickers can help ID where they are from)

The point of the post is that the ramp was closed due to Maryland drivers endangering people at a shockingly high rate.

Yes. Not sure how that contradicts what I said above.

Yup - lots of McLean drivers apparently think its ok for them to impose on others in the form of driving through their neighborhoods but that they should not be similarly imposed upon.

Having said that MD drivers really are their own version of inconsiderate hell on wheels though I don't think too many people would hold VA drivers up as paragons of virtue.

You can't identify a McLean driver by their car, silly.

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Anonymous wrote:There is not the volume of/as many Virginia commuters endangering one particular area of Maryland at one time, as there are Maryland commuters doing so in Virginia. It seems PP is poorly attempting to deflect the real issues and OP’s point.

There are plenty of Virginia drivers in DC though, and of course lots of Fairfax County drivers endangering people in Arlington and Alexandria.

I admit that is neither here nor there to the specifics of this road. Maybe the change makes sense. But if someone is going to get on his high horse and say "suck it up, if you work in a jurisdiction, you should move there" that should be applied all over, or not at all.

There is a ramp at Tysons that works really well.

My DC went to Madeira. If she had to drive back to Tysons to get on the beltway it would have made for a much longer commute home. Also seems like it would make the ride to sports games (many of which are in MD and DC) much longer. So I hope for Madeira's sake this proposal doesn't go through. Not to mention the people along Georgetown Pike who have kids going to Maryland and DC private schools. I know many people who did this commute for school and they can't be too excited about closing the ramp.

Seriously?

Anonymous wrote:Why do Marylanders think their commute is everyone else's problem?

They decided to take a job in another state. To most people, that would mean moving to that state, not driving to endanger almost every day. They simply have no regard for the rules of the road, so they got what they asked for. People who live in that area should not be fearing for their lives every day because of some a-hole drivers who think they are above the law. There are more and more each day, and it is truly out of control - much like the drivers themselves.

NP So if someone who was living in MD and working in DC changes jobs and works in Virginia they should uproot their family and move? My DH teaches in McLean and we have no desire to move there.

There was a community meeting last night and more people were against it...including VA residents! They are having another community meeting in the Fall.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course the McLean residents do.

There are quite a few McLean residents AGAINST this proposal!

Uh, no, there aren't

If you attended the meeting last night, YES THERE ARE!!! It was 3:1 AGAINST the proposal, mostly local people. The idea is terrible. Solves little and creates bigger problems.