Anonymous
05/12/2018 12:38
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:22 buses is not real.
ATS currently has 13 buses and there's no reason to believe that number would go down if it moved to Nottingham. So there's 13 buses coming into the neighborhood every day for arrival and dismissal
Based on the latest APS maps and figures, Nottingham currently has 255 enrolled neighborhood students in its exclusive current walk zone who would have to be bused elsewhere. Buses has a 60-student capacity, so that's 5 buses needed to talk those children to and from other school. So right there we're up to 18 buses in the neighborhood.
Nottingham also currently sends children to Claremont and to Montessori at Drew, and those children are entitled to transportation so that's 2 more buses. So now we're at 20 buses in the neighborhood.
If you assume they're send at least a couple to Campbell now that they're eligible to apply, that's another bus and we're up to 21.
So let's say the number is 21 instead of 22. You're going to say that 21 buses in a neighborhood that currently has *2* isn't going to have an impact?
No kids currently at ATS or any preK kids?
The transfer report shows that last year Nottingham sent 21 students. ATS has 48 students in its current walk zone. Even if we assume all 21 of those Nottingham students could walk to Nottingham and wouldn't need a bus, those 48 students now would. So it won't be a net savings on busing.
So are there currently “only 2” buses or not?
I assume you're talking about the option buses. Fair enough, let's include the other option buses (which have the least impact on the neighborhood). We're up to 5. If you'd prefer to take the buses to the other option schools out because they don't spend that much time in the neighborhood, we're still talking about 2 current buses vs. 18. Nine times as many buses. But that's nothing, right?
I don’t care about the # of buses but you should be consistent with your numbers. Apples to apples.
These numbers are all rough estimates because we can’t have firm numbers until we have assignments and boundaries and future enrollment numbers. The answer still remains that no matter how you calculate it, putting an option school at Nottingham will increase the number of buses in the neighborhood several times over. Do you have a substantive rebuttal to that or are you just splitting hairs on the calculations because you know there’s no good counterargument?
Anonymous
05/12/2018 12:28
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:22 buses is not real.
ATS currently has 13 buses and there's no reason to believe that number would go down if it moved to Nottingham. So there's 13 buses coming into the neighborhood every day for arrival and dismissal
Based on the latest APS maps and figures, Nottingham currently has 255 enrolled neighborhood students in its exclusive current walk zone who would have to be bused elsewhere. Buses has a 60-student capacity, so that's 5 buses needed to talk those children to and from other school. So right there we're up to 18 buses in the neighborhood.
Nottingham also currently sends children to Claremont and to Montessori at Drew, and those children are entitled to transportation so that's 2 more buses. So now we're at 20 buses in the neighborhood.
If you assume they're send at least a couple to Campbell now that they're eligible to apply, that's another bus and we're up to 21.
So let's say the number is 21 instead of 22. You're going to say that 21 buses in a neighborhood that currently has *2* isn't going to have an impact?
No kids currently at ATS or any preK kids?
The transfer report shows that last year Nottingham sent 21 students. ATS has 48 students in its current walk zone. Even if we assume all 21 of those Nottingham students could walk to Nottingham and wouldn't need a bus, those 48 students now would. So it won't be a net savings on busing.
So are there currently “only 2” buses or not?
I assume you're talking about the option buses. Fair enough, let's include the other option buses (which have the least impact on the neighborhood). We're up to 5. If you'd prefer to take the buses to the other option schools out because they don't spend that much time in the neighborhood, we're still talking about 2 current buses vs. 18. Nine times as many buses. But that's nothing, right?
I don’t care about the # of buses but you should be consistent with your numbers. Apples to apples.
Anonymous
05/12/2018 12:12
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:22 buses is not real.
ATS currently has 13 buses and there's no reason to believe that number would go down if it moved to Nottingham. So there's 13 buses coming into the neighborhood every day for arrival and dismissal
Based on the latest APS maps and figures, Nottingham currently has 255 enrolled neighborhood students in its exclusive current walk zone who would have to be bused elsewhere. Buses has a 60-student capacity, so that's 5 buses needed to talk those children to and from other school. So right there we're up to 18 buses in the neighborhood.
Nottingham also currently sends children to Claremont and to Montessori at Drew, and those children are entitled to transportation so that's 2 more buses. So now we're at 20 buses in the neighborhood.
If you assume they're send at least a couple to Campbell now that they're eligible to apply, that's another bus and we're up to 21.
So let's say the number is 21 instead of 22. You're going to say that 21 buses in a neighborhood that currently has *2* isn't going to have an impact?
No kids currently at ATS or any preK kids?
There are. The bus stops at 26th and John Marshall.
Anonymous
05/12/2018 12:11
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:22 buses is not real.
ATS currently has 13 buses and there's no reason to believe that number would go down if it moved to Nottingham. So there's 13 buses coming into the neighborhood every day for arrival and dismissal
Based on the latest APS maps and figures, Nottingham currently has 255 enrolled neighborhood students in its exclusive current walk zone who would have to be bused elsewhere. Buses has a 60-student capacity, so that's 5 buses needed to talk those children to and from other school. So right there we're up to 18 buses in the neighborhood.
Nottingham also currently sends children to Claremont and to Montessori at Drew, and those children are entitled to transportation so that's 2 more buses. So now we're at 20 buses in the neighborhood.
If you assume they're send at least a couple to Campbell now that they're eligible to apply, that's another bus and we're up to 21.
So let's say the number is 21 instead of 22. You're going to say that 21 buses in a neighborhood that currently has *2* isn't going to have an impact?
No kids currently at ATS or any preK kids?
The transfer report shows that last year Nottingham sent 21 students. ATS has 48 students in its current walk zone. Even if we assume all 21 of those Nottingham students could walk to Nottingham and wouldn't need a bus, those 48 students now would. So it won't be a net savings on busing.
So are there currently “only 2” buses or not?
I assume you're talking about the option buses. Fair enough, let's include the other option buses (which have the least impact on the neighborhood). We're up to 5. If you'd prefer to take the buses to the other option schools out because they don't spend that much time in the neighborhood, we're still talking about 2 current buses vs. 18. Nine times as many buses. But that's nothing, right?
Anonymous
05/12/2018 12:07
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:22 buses is not real.
ATS currently has 13 buses and there's no reason to believe that number would go down if it moved to Nottingham. So there's 13 buses coming into the neighborhood every day for arrival and dismissal
Based on the latest APS maps and figures, Nottingham currently has 255 enrolled neighborhood students in its exclusive current walk zone who would have to be bused elsewhere. Buses has a 60-student capacity, so that's 5 buses needed to talk those children to and from other school. So right there we're up to 18 buses in the neighborhood.
Nottingham also currently sends children to Claremont and to Montessori at Drew, and those children are entitled to transportation so that's 2 more buses. So now we're at 20 buses in the neighborhood.
If you assume they're send at least a couple to Campbell now that they're eligible to apply, that's another bus and we're up to 21.
So let's say the number is 21 instead of 22. You're going to say that 21 buses in a neighborhood that currently has *2* isn't going to have an impact?
No kids currently at ATS or any preK kids?
The transfer report shows that last year Nottingham sent 21 students. ATS has 48 students in its current walk zone. Even if we assume all 21 of those Nottingham students could walk to Nottingham and wouldn't need a bus, those 48 students now would. So it won't be a net savings on busing.
So are there currently “only 2” buses or not?
Anonymous
05/12/2018 12:05
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:22 buses is not real.
ATS currently has 13 buses and there's no reason to believe that number would go down if it moved to Nottingham. So there's 13 buses coming into the neighborhood every day for arrival and dismissal
Based on the latest APS maps and figures, Nottingham currently has 255 enrolled neighborhood students in its exclusive current walk zone who would have to be bused elsewhere. Buses has a 60-student capacity, so that's 5 buses needed to talk those children to and from other school. So right there we're up to 18 buses in the neighborhood.
Nottingham also currently sends children to Claremont and to Montessori at Drew, and those children are entitled to transportation so that's 2 more buses. So now we're at 20 buses in the neighborhood.
If you assume they're send at least a couple to Campbell now that they're eligible to apply, that's another bus and we're up to 21.
So let's say the number is 21 instead of 22. You're going to say that 21 buses in a neighborhood that currently has *2* isn't going to have an impact?
No kids currently at ATS or any preK kids?
The transfer report shows that last year Nottingham sent 21 students. ATS has 48 students in its current walk zone. Even if we assume all 21 of those Nottingham students could walk to Nottingham and wouldn't need a bus, those 48 students now would. So it won't be a net savings on busing.
Anonymous
05/12/2018 12:01
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:22 buses is not real.
ATS currently has 13 buses and there's no reason to believe that number would go down if it moved to Nottingham. So there's 13 buses coming into the neighborhood every day for arrival and dismissal
Based on the latest APS maps and figures, Nottingham currently has 255 enrolled neighborhood students in its exclusive current walk zone who would have to be bused elsewhere. Buses has a 60-student capacity, so that's 5 buses needed to talk those children to and from other school. So right there we're up to 18 buses in the neighborhood.
Nottingham also currently sends children to Claremont and to Montessori at Drew, and those children are entitled to transportation so that's 2 more buses. So now we're at 20 buses in the neighborhood.
If you assume they're send at least a couple to Campbell now that they're eligible to apply, that's another bus and we're up to 21.
So let's say the number is 21 instead of 22. You're going to say that 21 buses in a neighborhood that currently has *2* isn't going to have an impact?
No kids currently at ATS or any preK kids?
Anonymous
05/12/2018 11:58
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
Anonymous wrote:22 buses is not real.
ATS currently has 13 buses and there's no reason to believe that number would go down if it moved to Nottingham. So there's 13 buses coming into the neighborhood every day for arrival and dismissal
Based on the latest APS maps and figures, Nottingham currently has 255 enrolled neighborhood students in its exclusive current walk zone who would have to be bused elsewhere. Buses has a 60-student capacity, so that's 5 buses needed to talk those children to and from other school. So right there we're up to 18 buses in the neighborhood.
Nottingham also currently sends children to Claremont and to Montessori at Drew, and those children are entitled to transportation so that's 2 more buses. So now we're at 20 buses in the neighborhood.
If you assume they're send at least a couple to Campbell now that they're eligible to apply, that's another bus and we're up to 21.
So let's say the number is 21 instead of 22. You're going to say that 21 buses in a neighborhood that currently has *2* isn't going to have an impact?
Anonymous
05/12/2018 11:31
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
Anonymous wrote:22 buses is not real.
None of this is real until there is decent data and a clear plan forward. APS staff can only play the "it's all fluid" and "we haven't figured that out yet" game for so long. Depending on which schools/programs move to which locations, it is all up in the air. What happens to the existing kids at those option schools? Do they just get shifted to the new location? Do they scrap the existing wait lists and start fresh for the new location? There are logical answers that can be assumed, but without guidelines, even the absurd questions need to be asked. There are so many if/then scenarios that everyone's head is spinning – and those are the people who are paying close attention as this evolves.
Anonymous
05/12/2018 11:13
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All of ASFS will be moving. There are families who live within the walk zone.
Every school will likely have new boundaries. All. Let that sink in.
Now please stop getting selfish and demanding that we move items between schools. Kids who are at one school in 2020 May get split between 2 or 3 schools depending on how the boundaries shake out. Would you want a precious mural cut in two and taken to the new schools? Aquarium cut in two?
Stop being selfish. We have a capacity crisis and we need people to stop being so parochial and think about the greater good instead of threatening to take their toys home and getting matching shirts.
At asfs there are currently five families who live in the walk zone. Let that sink in— those guys wearing matching yellow shirts who got teachers to also wear matching yellow shirts were literally all there at that school board meeting. There are no more of them. And they literally are the same ten people who have showed up repeatedly at school board office hours— using maiden names and arriving separately to make them seem more numerous than they are. This is the epitome of a minority loud voice selfishly disregarding the greater community to promote a very specific, selfish agenda.
So I think it’s very fair to ask that if they do set up a neighborhood school there, some portion of the science equipment move to different schools. Maybe move the flight simulator to taylor. How special would that be! And move the aquariums to Ashlawn or key or Long branch.
There are many more than five families who live in the walk zone, the vast majority of whom are not permitted to attend. I truly doubt the SB and APS staff made proposals based solely on these 10 people, even if they did use different names and had a selfish agenda.
Anonymous
05/12/2018 10:47
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
22 buses is not real.
Anonymous
05/12/2018 10:38
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
Anonymous wrote:I don't know. I have had two Nott. parents tonight tell me that they don't want to be a choice school b/s it will create 22 buses and their properties will decrease b/c they will, "be bussing in other kids." WTH does that mean? I had to find a way to excuse myself from their convo.
The property decrease thing is BS, but if you can't understand why folks in an school zone with very high walkability (and therefore only 2 buses) would be upset at the prospect of up to 22 buses crowding the roads when there are only 2 now, and putting the kids who are existing walkers onto buses to go to other schools, well...use your imagination.
Like I said, the property thing is BS. As a Nottingham parent, I cringe when I hear it. MOST OF US DO. (but every single school has parents who are nuts for one reason or another, so yes, just walk away, or don't – stay and talk so you can report back here) My property value is going to do nothing but increase because it is the same house in the same great neighborhood. BUT the much-touted overlapping walk zones don't cover 380ish current walkers to Nottingham. That's 380 kids who will need to be bussed to one of the other schools. That's irritating, period. But especially so when this whole thing APPEARED to start out as an exercise to increase walkability. We all know now that round 1 was just a big waste of time and money, but that's APS for you.
Anonymous
05/12/2018 10:11
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All of ASFS will be moving. There are families who live within the walk zone.
Every school will likely have new boundaries. All. Let that sink in.
Now please stop getting selfish and demanding that we move items between schools. Kids who are at one school in 2020 May get split between 2 or 3 schools depending on how the boundaries shake out. Would you want a precious mural cut in two and taken to the new schools? Aquarium cut in two?
Stop being selfish. We have a capacity crisis and we need people to stop being so parochial and think about the greater good instead of threatening to take their toys home and getting matching shirts.
At asfs there are currently five families who live in the walk zone. Let that sink in— those guys wearing matching yellow shirts who got teachers to also wear matching yellow shirts were literally all there at that school board meeting. There are no more of them. And they literally are the same ten people who have showed up repeatedly at school board office hours— using maiden names and arriving separately to make them seem more numerous than they are. This is the epitome of a minority loud voice selfishly disregarding the greater community to promote a very specific, selfish agenda.
So I think it’s very fair to ask that if they do set up a neighborhood school there, some portion of the science equipment move to different schools. Maybe move the flight simulator to taylor. How special would that be! And move the aquariums to Ashlawn or key or Long branch.
DP. Or they could leave it where it is and not spend money APS doesn’t have to indulge petty grievances.
Anonymous
05/12/2018 10:09
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
Anonymous wrote:All of ASFS will be moving. There are families who live within the walk zone.
Every school will likely have new boundaries. All. Let that sink in.
Now please stop getting selfish and demanding that we move items between schools. Kids who are at one school in 2020 May get split between 2 or 3 schools depending on how the boundaries shake out. Would you want a precious mural cut in two and taken to the new schools? Aquarium cut in two?
Stop being selfish. We have a capacity crisis and we need people to stop being so parochial and think about the greater good instead of threatening to take their toys home and getting matching shirts.
At asfs there are currently five families who live in the walk zone. Let that sink in— those guys wearing matching yellow shirts who got teachers to also wear matching yellow shirts were literally all there at that school board meeting. There are no more of them. And they literally are the same ten people who have showed up repeatedly at school board office hours— using maiden names and arriving separately to make them seem more numerous than they are. This is the epitome of a minority loud voice selfishly disregarding the greater community to promote a very specific, selfish agenda.
So I think it’s very fair to ask that if they do set up a neighborhood school there, some portion of the science equipment move to different schools. Maybe move the flight simulator to taylor. How special would that be! And move the aquariums to Ashlawn or key or Long branch.
Anonymous
05/12/2018 07:53
Subject: Is Nottingham going to be the new option school in Arlington or its still being decided?
Anonymous wrote:Has there been discussion of hybrid schools? Why not spread out the "option" seats to two or three schools in N. Arlington? Fairfax has schools that house both neighborhood and GT kids.
That's what they just had and are doing away with. Also, every school in Arlington, neighborhood and option school, has both GT kids and non-GT
Kids. They aren't separated or even pulled out in any way. They are grouped in clusters within classrooms, but they are given instruction within their classroom.