Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 10:13     Subject: Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, how did things go with this? Did you talk?

To the poster who said they are letting their child take out loans and will only pay for courses with As and Bs, I think that's fantastic

I'll do the same thing


Ivy merit scholarships do the same thing : 3.5 gpa each yr or it’s pulled.


What ivy gives merit? I thought none of them do.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 10:04     Subject: Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:DD is incredible smart. She graduated Salutatorian of her High School and has made the Deans list for the past 3 semesters and will probably make it her fourth. Since her Sophmore year is HS DD has been adamant about going to business supply. She worked her ass of in HS and has in college as well in order to get into her grad school of choice. She’s currently at a top 10 school and is majoring in business and finance. She is a very strong math/Econ is student as my DH and I was so proud that she wanted to work in a male dominated field. I’ve always encouraged her to work hard so she can become financially independent as a woman in this economy. I pushed STEM/Medical/Busienss/Finances as DH and I both know those at promising career paths. DD has recently decided to switch to an elementary education degree in get a teaching certificate. She wants to teach 5th grade mathematics, which is great but feels like a waste of her intellect and drive. I believe teaching is a difficult and underpaid field, and I don’t want to see her struggle financially and not reach her full potential. I believe her advisor inspired this massive change. I am disappointed she’d make such a change and just worry. No disrespect to teachers, you are priceless but you know the struggle. I know I don’t have much control over her decisions, but I think she’ll really regret wasting her opportunities.


I think your belief that teachers are poorly paid and mistreated is the result of teachers' union propaganda.

In some parts of the country, experienced public school teachers with master's degrees make over $100,000 per year, with a regular schedule that's conducive to having a family. Principals can easily make $150,000.

Entrepreneurial teachers who use their knowledge to start education-related can become billionaires.

If your daughter is a bright, energetic, well-educated teacher, she'll probably be in a good position to decide for herself what her income will be.


You don’t think 100k or 150k for middle aged adults is a lot do you? You couldn’t buy a nice house in this area on that.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 09:48     Subject: Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are we seriously basing career advice for this girl on her level of attractiveness and, implicitly, her supposed value on the marriage market? Disgusting.


NP. Eh it’s unfortunate that this is the way the world works but only fools ignore reality. Attractiveness is a card women can play much more effectively than men. Do you deny that?


This is true. Think of the SAHMs of rich husbands you know in real life. What do they have in common?

Chances are, they are slender and attractive.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 09:45     Subject: Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
Anonymous wrote:Are we seriously basing career advice for this girl on her level of attractiveness and, implicitly, her supposed value on the marriage market? Disgusting.


NP. Eh it’s unfortunate that this is the way the world works but only fools ignore reality. Attractiveness is a card women can play much more effectively than men. Do you deny that?
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 07:29     Subject: Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
Anonymous wrote:OP, how did things go with this? Did you talk?

To the poster who said they are letting their child take out loans and will only pay for courses with As and Bs, I think that's fantastic

I'll do the same thing


Ivy merit scholarships do the same thing : 3.5 gpa each yr or it’s pulled.
Anonymous
Post 04/18/2018 07:27     Subject: Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are we seriously basing career advice for this girl on her level of attractiveness and, implicitly, her supposed value on the marriage market? Disgusting.


I'm curious if these are women posting that. Pretty interesting..


Op, did your highly intelligent daughter recently get dumped? Lots of silly studies say that silly women purposely dumb down their intelligence or accomplishments in order to attract and retain a mate. Maybe she views teaching or nursing as the epitome of signalling her potential caring, nurturing side.

Hope not.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2018 21:34     Subject: Re:Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
InAndOut wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I assume she herself pays for her education, and if so, why is it your concern?


where is that assumption coming from?


If she’s paying the freight, she determines the route. If parents are paying, she follows their direction.


Personally I would pay and wouldn't want my child to follow my direction entirely. Ultimately I do want my DC to be happy, but if im paying the bill I do expect my child to hear me out and allow me to give them some guidance.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2018 21:22     Subject: Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
Anonymous wrote:Are we seriously basing career advice for this girl on her level of attractiveness and, implicitly, her supposed value on the marriage market? Disgusting.


I'm curious if these are women posting that. Pretty interesting..
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2018 21:21     Subject: Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My brother wanted to be a teacher, my parents strongly discouraged him and encouraged him to major in business and economics. My parents thinking we’re very similar than yours (he was really smart, to be a teacher is neither a lucrative or glamorous job). He did, but never worked in his field. He didn’t have a real passion for it. After a couple of years doing “odd” jobs went back to college got a completely different degree and now works in a field that truly interested him. My only word of advise is to be very careful with your advice. My parents “won” or that they thought but looking back it was a real mistake.


Similar story here. My best friend's parents both discouraged her from teaching when she was in college. They didn't pressure her, but she listened.
She spent the next 20 years as a perpetual student, never really working full time, always looking for something else. She finally became a teacher in her late 40s and she could not be happier. It's was a transformation.
Let her be.


I have a similar story, though I was discouraged from going into teaching by the faculty at my liberal arts college. They informed me that I was too smart for it. So I dithered around in several different professions for about 20 years before finally getting into teaching.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2018 21:19     Subject: Re:Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
I find it ironic that people here are asking their kids to work hard and do well in school while at the same time calling teaching a worthless profession.

Anonymous
Post 04/17/2018 20:24     Subject: Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
I know several good friends who became teachers because the path was pretty easy. They all quit after 1-3 years and had to either go back to college for a diff bachelors or got MBAs. They thought it would be an altruistic breezy job, but they were miserable.

We're decades removed from a year of college costing a summer gig's worth of savings. It's $25 large for the cheapest directional U. Damn near $80 large for top privates. Unless you're a trust fund kid, it's not a time to be loafing around in worthless departments. Either work your ass off or drop out and go work in an Amazon factory.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2018 19:49     Subject: Re:Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I assume she herself pays for her education, and if so, why is it your concern?


where is that assumption coming from?


How can the student truly understand the value of the opportunity unless the student works while attending college?
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2018 15:30     Subject: Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
Are we seriously basing career advice for this girl on her level of attractiveness and, implicitly, her supposed value on the marriage market? Disgusting.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2018 15:26     Subject: Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
Anonymous wrote:My brother wanted to be a teacher, my parents strongly discouraged him and encouraged him to major in business and economics. My parents thinking we’re very similar than yours (he was really smart, to be a teacher is neither a lucrative or glamorous job). He did, but never worked in his field. He didn’t have a real passion for it. After a couple of years doing “odd” jobs went back to college got a completely different degree and now works in a field that truly interested him. My only word of advise is to be very careful with your advice. My parents “won” or that they thought but looking back it was a real mistake.


Similar story here. My best friend's parents both discouraged her from teaching when she was in college. They didn't pressure her, but she listened.
She spent the next 20 years as a perpetual student, never really working full time, always looking for something else. She finally became a teacher in her late 40s and she could not be happier. It's was a transformation.
Let her be.
Anonymous
Post 04/17/2018 15:13     Subject: Angry at college sophomore for changing to lower paying major
If she's not attractive then I agree wit OP. If she has good genes then teaching is better because you can raise a family , go back to work , get Summer's off and have a great retirement.