Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 19:01     Subject: Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kid has 99 percents, map M 263, 4.0 GPA, and going to a MS with50 percent FARMS and got rejected. He is Asian.


There are not GPAs in Elementary schools. You are probably the old guy in pjs who has no kids. Go away.


I am most definitely a mom of a kid at an HGC. It was short hand way of saying he got all A's first quarter, which is all they considered since there were no grades last year. I don't remember his MAP R score, it was pretty high, 240's or 250's, whatever it was it was a drop from 4th grade Spring; I just had checked his MAP M score for a different reason and so remembered it. He was rejected for both TMPS and Eastern. I'm providing data that it was not just kids with high test scores from W schools that got rejected. I'm pretty surprised it was not even a waitlist, for either school.


What was his MAP-R score in the fall of 5th grade.

I am really sorry about the results. Your kid sounds wonderful, and I hope he will continue to be motivated with the support of his family.


Thank you for your encouraging words. So nice to hear. I can't find his MAP R scores, but I think they were 250's fourth grade year and took a dive into the 240s this Fall -- I say dive because he is a really good test taker and so it was unusual to drop like that for him. Usually he has a small gain from Spring to the next Fall.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 18:36     Subject: Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
Anonymous wrote:From the FAQ on the MCPS website about TPMS/Eastern admissions :

"What data was used to evaluate my child?

The review is a multiple measure process
from both system and external measures.
The data that was included: Grade 5 report card, school assessments: percentile ranks for the Measures of Adequate Progress in Reading and Math,
state assessment: PARCC achievement levels
for reading and math data*
, instructional need, student
services^, non-scored student questionnaire, and
an outside assessment: (Cognitive Test of Abilities Test (CogAT) full battery.

* PARCC is only used to see a pattern
of performance of grade level
indicators

^ services such as receiving special education services, ESOL-English for Speakers of Other Languages, 504
accommodations plan and Free and Reduced Meals"


Does this mean a child with a 504 is a ding against a child for qualification of these programs?
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 18:24     Subject: Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kid has 99 percents, map M 263, 4.0 GPA, and going to a MS with50 percent FARMS and got rejected. He is Asian.


There are not GPAs in Elementary schools. You are probably the old guy in pjs who has no kids. Go away.


I am most definitely a mom of a kid at an HGC. It was short hand way of saying he got all A's first quarter, which is all they considered since there were no grades last year. I don't remember his MAP R score, it was pretty high, 240's or 250's, whatever it was it was a drop from 4th grade Spring; I just had checked his MAP M score for a different reason and so remembered it. He was rejected for both TMPS and Eastern. I'm providing data that it was not just kids with high test scores from W schools that got rejected. I'm pretty surprised it was not even a waitlist, for either school.


What was his MAP-R score in the fall of 5th grade.

I am really sorry about the results. Your kid sounds wonderful, and I hope he will continue to be motivated with the support of his family.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 18:15     Subject: Re:Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I expect that percentile scores are national. And it looks as if many kids with 99% scores were rejected. So all that this establishes is that MCPS gifted programs are looking for the top .1% to .5% or so, not the top 1%. Maybe they should extend the percentile scores one more decimal point so we can see the difference between a national percentile score of 99.0% and 99.9%.

I think this is a much more logical explanation than some people's suggestions here that their 99%-scoring student was rejected because of diversity or because of their home school.


Yes. The FAQ on the MCPS website, apparently updated today, says the percentiles are national.

Also says a home school peer group is 20 kids.

Could not find this info. Could you please send the link?


http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/curriculum/specialprograms/middle/Frequently%20Asked%20Questions%20Eastern%20and%20Takoma%20Park%20Magnet%20ProgramsFINAL.pdf
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 18:01     Subject: Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
I think a conversation needed is how do the non magnet “home” schools accommodate these high achieving students. If they’ve identified a peer group. Will they group these students together (outside of IM & Advance English)

My child was not accepted. Straight As (at an HGC) MAP scores above 250, 5s on PARCC, 99% in all four areas. Asian. Non-w school.

Anyone know if grades at an HGC were weighted equally to non-HGC schools?
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 17:46     Subject: Re:Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
Anonymous wrote:I expect that percentile scores are national. And it looks as if many kids with 99% scores were rejected. So all that this establishes is that MCPS gifted programs are looking for the top .1% to .5% or so, not the top 1%. Maybe they should extend the percentile scores one more decimal point so we can see the difference between a national percentile score of 99.0% and 99.9%.

I think this is a much more logical explanation than some people's suggestions here that their 99%-scoring student was rejected because of diversity or because of their home school.


My kid, who was rejected, consistently scores much above what it takes to make the 99th percentile on things like MAP R and MAP M. So while they didn't tell us what his score was for this test in a way that we could determine that, I don't know why it would be different than any other test he ever took where he scored in the tippy top of the 99th percentile. High PARCC scores are also pretty unusual in MCPS, and many of us are reporting that too. I don't remember the number, but my kid on math scored way to the right of whatever the minimum was for a 5. His reading scores are also good, just not quite as tippy top high. So yes, I think diversity and home school cohort is the explanation.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 17:39     Subject: Re:Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I expect that percentile scores are national. And it looks as if many kids with 99% scores were rejected. So all that this establishes is that MCPS gifted programs are looking for the top .1% to .5% or so, not the top 1%. Maybe they should extend the percentile scores one more decimal point so we can see the difference between a national percentile score of 99.0% and 99.9%.

I think this is a much more logical explanation than some people's suggestions here that their 99%-scoring student was rejected because of diversity or because of their home school.


Yes. The FAQ on the MCPS website, apparently updated today, says the percentiles are national.

Also says a home school peer group is 20 kids.

Could not find this info. Could you please send the link?
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 17:31     Subject: Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
No letter in the 20814 - bummer to wait another day.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 17:28     Subject: Re:Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
Anonymous wrote:I expect that percentile scores are national. And it looks as if many kids with 99% scores were rejected. So all that this establishes is that MCPS gifted programs are looking for the top .1% to .5% or so, not the top 1%. Maybe they should extend the percentile scores one more decimal point so we can see the difference between a national percentile score of 99.0% and 99.9%.

I think this is a much more logical explanation than some people's suggestions here that their 99%-scoring student was rejected because of diversity or because of their home school.


Maybe they should tell the raw scores broken down by batteries, kinda like H&G centers used to do. E.g. Verbal - 140, Quantitative - 145, Non-verbal- 142. All those percentiles only confuse things more.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 17:26     Subject: Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
My kid got composite 98, all A's at the HGC. Not even waitlisted. We are in Sligo catchment. I hope that they offer accelerated instruction at the local schools, which they have not done in the past. Frankly, I'd rather him at our local school with his friends, but with better programming. My older kid went to Eastern, and what he did did not compare to Sligo. The inequities are shocking.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 17:22     Subject: Re:Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
Anonymous wrote:I expect that percentile scores are national. And it looks as if many kids with 99% scores were rejected. So all that this establishes is that MCPS gifted programs are looking for the top .1% to .5% or so, not the top 1%. Maybe they should extend the percentile scores one more decimal point so we can see the difference between a national percentile score of 99.0% and 99.9%.

I think this is a much more logical explanation than some people's suggestions here that their 99%-scoring student was rejected because of diversity or because of their home school.


Yes. The FAQ on the MCPS website, apparently updated today, says the percentiles are national.

Also says a home school peer group is 20 kids.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 17:20     Subject: Re:Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
I expect that percentile scores are national. And it looks as if many kids with 99% scores were rejected. So all that this establishes is that MCPS gifted programs are looking for the top .1% to .5% or so, not the top 1%. Maybe they should extend the percentile scores one more decimal point so we can see the difference between a national percentile score of 99.0% and 99.9%.

I think this is a much more logical explanation than some people's suggestions here that their 99%-scoring student was rejected because of diversity or because of their home school.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 17:13     Subject: Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My kid got 97s and 98s. Obviously not accepted anywhere. Looking forward to hearing from anyone who got in!


Oh I guess I should add all As on 5th grade report card. That's one of the criteria we should report out on.


High-scoring kid - 99 Quantitative and 98 Composite. No dice. Neighborhood school in W Cluster.
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 17:00     Subject: Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
From the FAQ on the MCPS website about TPMS/Eastern admissions :

"What data was used to evaluate my child?

The review is a multiple measure process
from both system and external measures.
The data that was included: Grade 5 report card, school assessments: percentile ranks for the Measures of Adequate Progress in Reading and Math,
state assessment: PARCC achievement levels
for reading and math data*
, instructional need, student
services^, non-scored student questionnaire, and
an outside assessment: (Cognitive Test of Abilities Test (CogAT) full battery.

* PARCC is only used to see a pattern
of performance of grade level
indicators

^ services such as receiving special education services, ESOL-English for Speakers of Other Languages, 504
accommodations plan and Free and Reduced Meals"
Anonymous
Post 02/14/2018 17:00     Subject: Magnet MS results - Takoma Park & Eastern - anyone heard today?
Anonymous wrote:My kid got 97s and 98s. Obviously not accepted anywhere. Looking forward to hearing from anyone who got in!


Oh I guess I should add all As on 5th grade report card. That's one of the criteria we should report out on.