Anonymous
Post 02/01/2018 11:42     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like Dr Dahlgren is not the most ethical person and might just be saying things to make parents feel better.


I agree that this thread isn't exactly making her sound professional. However, I'm not putting too much faith in that. I assume that it's more an issue of posters hearing what they want to hear or fudging a bit. Or just pure trolling.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2018 11:40     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like Dr Dahlgren is not the most ethical person and might just be saying things to make parents feel better.


LOL. NP, but I'm pretty sure she wasn't trying to make us feel better when she told us our son has ADHD and a 109 IQ.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2018 11:36     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like Dr Dahlgren is not the most ethical person and might just be saying things to make parents feel better.[/quote

I don't like knocking other professionals but it might be the choice of tester. If you scroll back through these forums and look at the scores linked with this doctors name they seem interesting.

Most psychologists see a rough equivalent of the bell curve regarding test scores. In this area you do see more 115-125 FSIQ scores but not the 135-150 I see posted on this board. Certainly not enough to represent the amount of children in the differentiated services in the various public and private schools.

As a tester you have a small amount of lee way when recording and interpreting answers. You certainly can frame things in your clinical interpretation. If FCPS sees a large amount of children coming with inflated scores from one tester over the years...well it will make them pause.

GMU put out two interesting studies (you can use Google scholar to look them up) about children brought in by their parents for WISC testing for the AAP program the average IQ was in the 120s for both studies.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2018 11:17     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Sounds like Dr Dahlgren is not the most ethical person and might just be saying things to make parents feel better.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2018 09:25     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:She said the same reason FCPS is reducing the number of students from private school and we might go through similar issue if we apply from private school next year too


This is simply false. Anyone can say anything, of course.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2018 08:17     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:
Nope. They are only required to have a program with procedures for referring and identifying. Test scores alone are not enough. Based on the work samples OP said she provided, I’m not convinced he qualifies or needs it.
http://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/gifted_ed/faq.shtml


There has to be some criteria governing the identification of gifted students. The mandate would be pretty pointless if each school district could arbitrarily label kids as "not gifted" in their program and then not provide services, especially if that child has already been identified/diagnosed as being gifted based on a 1-1 evaluation with a psychologist.

The mandate states that no single criterion can identify giftedness; The OP, however, has 4 in the form of the NNAT, CogAT, WISC, and GBRS. It would be tough for them to justify that their panel has labeled the kid as "not gifted" in this case, and it would really bring the into question the integrity of the panel. This is all, of course, assuming that the OP has been fully truthful.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2018 08:12     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am the other poster who is in a similar situation as op. I also emailed Oscar but have not heard back yet. However, I know that I am not the only one in this situation. We had done our wisc with Delgrahn, as someone on this forum had suggested. She was shocked that we didn't get in first round, but she also said that FCPS do limit based on which school you apply as she use to be on the committee for aap. She noted that is the reason they as you on the original application your home ES. At this point I plan on staying in private school for now and feel blessed to have that option, but dontb think it's right for so many people who don't have that option and have extremely high scores.


Isn't this information confidential?


So you'd think.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2018 07:58     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:Op here
I don’t think PP is trolling

We too did Wisc with Dr.Dahlgren and 2 of my sons classmates did.
One of them got selected in appeal

She said the same reason FCPS is reducing the number of students from private school and we might go through similar issue if we apply from private school next year too


I'm pretty sure FCPS isn't rejecting your tax dollars to fund the public schools. Not sure why they think that's an acceptable basis to deny gifted services to the child of a Fairfax County resident. Again, this whole process is a joke. They have filled the program with so many kids with test scores in the 120s that they are now finding arbitrary reasons to reject kids to get the numbers under control. And they have no checks on them because they claim they are taking a holistic approach.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2018 07:09     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Op here
I don’t think PP is trolling

We too did Wisc with Dr.Dahlgren and 2 of my sons classmates did.
One of them got selected in appeal

She said the same reason FCPS is reducing the number of students from private school and we might go through similar issue if we apply from private school next year too
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2018 06:56     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We had done our wisc with Delgrahn, as someone on this forum had suggested. She was shocked that we didn't get in first round, but she also said that FCPS do limit based on which school you apply as she use to be on the committee for aap.


If Delgrahn [sic] stated what you posted here, she is wrong. FCPS does not limit AAP placement based on which school you apply to/from.

(Personally, I think you misheard Dr. Dahlgren.)

~a former member of GTAC/AAPAC


Either that or she is trolling.
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2018 06:44     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:We had done our wisc with Delgrahn, as someone on this forum had suggested. She was shocked that we didn't get in first round, but she also said that FCPS do limit based on which school you apply as she use to be on the committee for aap.


If Delgrahn [sic] stated what you posted here, she is wrong. FCPS does not limit AAP placement based on which school you apply to/from.

(Personally, I think you misheard Dr. Dahlgren.)

~a former member of GTAC/AAPAC
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2018 06:40     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:I am the other poster who is in a similar situation as op. I also emailed Oscar but have not heard back yet. However, I know that I am not the only one in this situation. We had done our wisc with Delgrahn, as someone on this forum had suggested. She was shocked that we didn't get in first round, but she also said that FCPS do limit based on which school you apply as she use to be on the committee for aap. She noted that is the reason they as you on the original application your home ES. At this point I plan on staying in private school for now and feel blessed to have that option, but dontb think it's right for so many people who don't have that option and have extremely high scores.


Isn't this information confidential?
Anonymous
Post 02/01/2018 05:42     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don’t get this

AAP is a generic program that is offered for all fc residents if found gifted

Isn’t it against law or discrimination if they select differently if they come from private schools?


Nope. They are only required to have a program with procedures for referring and identifying. Test scores alone are not enough. Based on the work samples OP said she provided, I’m not convinced he qualifies or needs it.
http://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/gifted_ed/faq.shtml


work samples or a lack thereof should not trump a high WISC. You're basically saying ignore the CogAT, NNAT, WISC and GBRS because this parent may not have selected wisely in submitting work samples? That's what's wrong with this process, it's completely arbitrary.
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 21:41     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:I don’t get this

AAP is a generic program that is offered for all fc residents if found gifted

Isn’t it against law or discrimination if they select differently if they come from private schools?


Nope. They are only required to have a program with procedures for referring and identifying. Test scores alone are not enough. Based on the work samples OP said she provided, I’m not convinced he qualifies or needs it.
http://www.doe.virginia.gov/instruction/gifted_ed/faq.shtml
Anonymous
Post 01/31/2018 21:41     Subject: Re:AAP appeal declined
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The story of these two kids looks like Advanced Trolling. 8 pages of responses so far.


+1, wish this forum forces sign-in so that only quality/informational threads are posted!


Yep.