Is this ever timely:

https://ggwash.org/view/66303/this-video-shows-you-how-to-pick-a-good-school

Not that it has groundbreaking information or anything.

Anonymous wrote:I would quibble with this. Most white families don't want their children to socialize with/marry blacks and the feeling is often the same in the black community. The insertion of Ivy League "Teach for America" whites in black schools was a dismal failure and resulted in the dismissal of some very qualified black teachers. Many people want community schools made up of friends and neighbors. I don't hold with codifying segregation but why fight it when it happens as a matter of choice?

*Racist* white families don't want their children to socialize with/marry blacks
Here, I corrected the sentence for you.

I always thought the primary purpose of schools is for kids to gain knowledge on academic topics. The social experience is just a by-product.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey everybody, I'm the OP and I'm back.

The point of this thread was that GreatSchools is promoting segregation. I have to admit that I assumed it would not be controversial to be against segregation.

I cannot believe this thread has devolved into pro- and anti-segregation arguments. Who the hell is pro-segregation? I feel like we've just lost 60 years. My dad went to segregated (white) schools in the 1950s and people made the exact same arguments.

Now you know better.

I hope that the pre-segregation posters on DCUM are (1) people I don't know in real life (2) a small and ineffective minority in Montgomery County. But there's no way to know for sure.

like the UMC black parents who send their kids to private instead of majority black schools in MOCO and PG

look start thinking for yourself instead of the liberal victimhood racism where there isn't any

Is your argument that UMC Black folks use private schools at a higher rate than UMC white folks? Because otherwise I'm not sure of your point.

my point is no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools. There is no racial animosity it is strictly performance based.

Lol! You clearly don't live in one of the gentrifying areas of DC. Tons of highly educated families in schools that are overall lower-performing.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey everybody, I'm the OP and I'm back.

The point of this thread was that GreatSchools is promoting segregation. I have to admit that I assumed it would not be controversial to be against segregation.

I cannot believe this thread has devolved into pro- and anti-segregation arguments. Who the hell is pro-segregation? I feel like we've just lost 60 years. My dad went to segregated (white) schools in the 1950s and people made the exact same arguments.

Now you know better.

I hope that the pre-segregation posters on DCUM are (1) people I don't know in real life (2) a small and ineffective minority in Montgomery County. But there's no way to know for sure.

like the UMC black parents who send their kids to private instead of majority black schools in MOCO and PG

look start thinking for yourself instead of the liberal victimhood racism where there isn't any

Is your argument that UMC Black folks use private schools at a higher rate than UMC white folks? Because otherwise I'm not sure of your point.

my point is no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools. There is no racial animosity it is strictly performance based.

I would quibble with this. Most white families don't want their children to socialize with/marry blacks and the feeling is often the same in the black community. The insertion of Ivy League "Teach for America" whites in black schools was a dismal failure and resulted in the dismissal of some very qualified black teachers. Many people want community schools made up of friends and neighbors. I don't hold with codifying segregation but why fight it when it happens as a matter of choice?

Well now I know why some white parents don’t their kids to socialize with my black daughter. Makes sense now!

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The converse of this is that middle class Black folks are A LOT more comfortable with schools that are majority kids of color, even if those schools have higher-than-average poverty. If we expand our metric beyond the richest folks in the region, to include regular middle class folks, what we see is Black families being comfortable with diversity while white families are willing to move to b*mf*ck hinterlands to avoid kids of color.

There are plenty of kids of color here in my part of the b*mf*ck hinterlands, actually.

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Anonymous wrote:Hey everybody, I'm the OP and I'm back.

The point of this thread was that GreatSchools is promoting segregation. I have to admit that I assumed it would not be controversial to be against segregation.

I cannot believe this thread has devolved into pro- and anti-segregation arguments. Who the hell is pro-segregation? I feel like we've just lost 60 years. My dad went to segregated (white) schools in the 1950s and people made the exact same arguments.

Now you know better.

I hope that the pre-segregation posters on DCUM are (1) people I don't know in real life (2) a small and ineffective minority in Montgomery County. But there's no way to know for sure.

like the UMC black parents who send their kids to private instead of majority black schools in MOCO and PG

look start thinking for yourself instead of the liberal victimhood racism where there isn't any

Umm, if you are arguing that UMC blacks don't want to send their kids to school with other black children (if this is even true) then how can you possibly argue in favor of segregation and "people being with their own kind"?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey everybody, I'm the OP and I'm back.

The point of this thread was that GreatSchools is promoting segregation. I have to admit that I assumed it would not be controversial to be against segregation.

I cannot believe this thread has devolved into pro- and anti-segregation arguments. Who the hell is pro-segregation? I feel like we've just lost 60 years. My dad went to segregated (white) schools in the 1950s and people made the exact same arguments.

Now you know better.

I hope that the pre-segregation posters on DCUM are (1) people I don't know in real life (2) a small and ineffective minority in Montgomery County. But there's no way to know for sure.

like the UMC black parents who send their kids to private instead of majority black schools in MOCO and PG

look start thinking for yourself instead of the liberal victimhood racism where there isn't any

Is your argument that UMC Black folks use private schools at a higher rate than UMC white folks? Because otherwise I'm not sure of your point.

my point is no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools. There is no racial animosity it is strictly performance based.

I would quibble with this. Most white families don't want their children to socialize with/marry blacks and the feeling is often the same in the black community. The insertion of Ivy League "Teach for America" whites in black schools was a dismal failure and resulted in the dismissal of some very qualified black teachers. Many people want community schools made up of friends and neighbors. I don't hold with codifying segregation but why fight it when it happens as a matter of choice?

Because it's wrong and weakens society. And I don't believe that most white families are so bigoted.

People who think their child will receive a better education at a school with less undesirable minorities are wrong. The child's performance will depend a lot more on the parents than on the other kids in the school. If a child does well at a high school like Einstein or Wheaton it's not in spite of the low SES kids there, and that same child would not necessarily do better at a school in Bethesda or Potomac. I just looked up my kids school. It's a 4/10. Who cares?

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I would quibble with this. Most white families don't want their children to socialize with/marry blacks and the feeling is often the same in the black community. The insertion of Ivy League "Teach for America" whites in black schools was a dismal failure and resulted in the dismissal of some very qualified black teachers. Many people want community schools made up of friends and neighbors. I don't hold with codifying segregation but why fight it when it happens as a matter of choice?

It's a choice in the same sense that my kids' choice of kale over collard greens is a choice. They don't want either kale or collard greens, they want cherry tomatoes. But I'm not offering them cherry tomatoes. If I said, "Why fight it when my kids choose kale?", they would quite rightly point out that, to the extent that they chose kale, it was as the less bad of two bad options.

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my point is no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools. There is no racial animosity it is strictly performance based.

First, it's factually incorrect that there are no upper-middle-class families who want their kids going to schools with lots of poor kids. There definitely are such families. In fact, there may be many such families, depending on your definition of "upper-middle-class".

Second, the existence of class bias does not disprove the existence of race bias. It's possible to be prejudiced against poor people AND brown people. Especially if you believe, as many people do seem to believe, that brown people are poor people (and, conversely, that poor people are brown people).

It seems to me that a lot of denial of the continued existence of racism comes from people's desire to not be bad people. In 2018, most of us know that racists are bad people. And we don't to be bad people. So therefore, when we do stuff, it must not be racist. But "racism exists" =/= "you are a bad person", anymore than "water freezes at 32 degrees F" = "people who wear mittens are fools". The existence of racism is a fact, that's all. It's how you deal with that fact that makes you a good person, or a bad one.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey everybody, I'm the OP and I'm back.

The point of this thread was that GreatSchools is promoting segregation. I have to admit that I assumed it would not be controversial to be against segregation.

I cannot believe this thread has devolved into pro- and anti-segregation arguments. Who the hell is pro-segregation? I feel like we've just lost 60 years. My dad went to segregated (white) schools in the 1950s and people made the exact same arguments.

Now you know better.

I hope that the pre-segregation posters on DCUM are (1) people I don't know in real life (2) a small and ineffective minority in Montgomery County. But there's no way to know for sure.

like the UMC black parents who send their kids to private instead of majority black schools in MOCO and PG

look start thinking for yourself instead of the liberal victimhood racism where there isn't any

Is your argument that UMC Black folks use private schools at a higher rate than UMC white folks? Because otherwise I'm not sure of your point.

my point is no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools. There is no racial animosity it is strictly performance based.

I would quibble with this. Most white families don't want their children to socialize with/marry blacks and the feeling is often the same in the black community. The insertion of Ivy League "Teach for America" whites in black schools was a dismal failure and resulted in the dismissal of some very qualified black teachers. Many people want community schools made up of friends and neighbors. I don't hold with codifying segregation but why fight it when it happens as a matter of choice?

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Anonymous wrote:

like the UMC black parents who send their kids to private instead of majority black schools in MOCO and PG

look start thinking for yourself instead of the liberal victimhood racism where there isn't any

Is your argument that UMC Black folks use private schools at a higher rate than UMC white folks? Because otherwise I'm not sure of your point.

DP. I think that the argument here might be:

1. Affluent black people also try to avoid schools with lots of poor black kids.
2. Therefore it's not racist for affluent white people to try to avoid schools with lots of poor black kids.
3. Therefore something something segregation liberal victimhood.

The converse of this is that middle class Black folks are A LOT more comfortable with schools that are majority kids of color, even if those schools have higher-than-average poverty. If we expand our metric beyond the richest folks in the region, to include regular middle class folks, what we see is Black families being comfortable with diversity while white families are willing to move to b*mf*ck hinterlands to avoid kids of color.

Anonymous wrote:Hey everybody, I'm the OP and I'm back.

The point of this thread was that GreatSchools is promoting segregation. I have to admit that I assumed it would not be controversial to be against segregation.

I cannot believe this thread has devolved into pro- and anti-segregation arguments. Who the hell is pro-segregation? I feel like we've just lost 60 years. My dad went to segregated (white) schools in the 1950s and people made the exact same arguments.

I never heard anybody claiming that they were racists. They find a different ways to all present themselves (for example "realists") and claim that it's natural for the people to segregate (for example the same way as birds do).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hey everybody, I'm the OP and I'm back.

The point of this thread was that GreatSchools is promoting segregation. I have to admit that I assumed it would not be controversial to be against segregation.

I cannot believe this thread has devolved into pro- and anti-segregation arguments. Who the hell is pro-segregation? I feel like we've just lost 60 years. My dad went to segregated (white) schools in the 1950s and people made the exact same arguments.

Now you know better.

I hope that the pre-segregation posters on DCUM are (1) people I don't know in real life (2) a small and ineffective minority in Montgomery County. But there's no way to know for sure.

like the UMC black parents who send their kids to private instead of majority black schools in MOCO and PG

look start thinking for yourself instead of the liberal victimhood racism where there isn't any

Is your argument that UMC Black folks use private schools at a higher rate than UMC white folks? Because otherwise I'm not sure of your point.

my point is no UMC families want their kids going to lower performing schools. There is no racial animosity it is strictly performance based.

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Anonymous wrote:

like the UMC black parents who send their kids to private instead of majority black schools in MOCO and PG

look start thinking for yourself instead of the liberal victimhood racism where there isn't any

Is your argument that UMC Black folks use private schools at a higher rate than UMC white folks? Because otherwise I'm not sure of your point.

DP. I think that the argument here might be:

1. Affluent black people also try to avoid schools with lots of poor black kids.
2. Therefore it's not racist for affluent white people to try to avoid schools with lots of poor black kids.
3. Therefore something something segregation liberal victimhood.