Anonymous
11/11/2017 09:44
Subject: Re:Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
No, I mean that any reasonably intelligent person and reasonably good parent wouldn't obsessively chase rankings but instead focus on the college that presented the best fit with their child's personality, learning objectives, career goals, etc.
Lol. On what planet do you live in where kids in 2018 have a say or choice? Very very few non-URMs get into more than one top 15 college.
People live on, not in planets.
It is 2017, not 2018.
Every child has a choice as to what schools they apply to and their ED choice has become more important than ever.
Anonymous
11/10/2017 20:47
Subject: Re:Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
Anonymous wrote:
No, I mean that any reasonably intelligent person and reasonably good parent wouldn't obsessively chase rankings but instead focus on the college that presented the best fit with their child's personality, learning objectives, career goals, etc.
Lol. On what planet do you live in where kids in 2018 have a say or choice? Very very few non-URMs get into more than one top 15 college.
Anonymous
11/10/2017 19:03
Subject: Re:Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
+1 Much to admire in this PP (and whoever educated her/him)
Anonymous
11/10/2017 18:39
Subject: Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
Anonymous wrote:UChicago, like Johns Hopkins and MIT, was founded over a century later (actually more than 250 years after Harvard) and on a different model (German rather than English). These were research universities that embraced a scientific model of knowledge. Earlier universities in what is now the US were more oriented to instilling religious and moral values in a social elite (and enabling that elite to get to know each other. Chicago admitted women from the start. And it was the largest producer of African American PhDs in the world prior to WW2. So it has a different kind of history/raison d’etre/cultural DNA than the Ivies.
We’re in a moment now when institutional values of elite colleges in the US have pretty much converged, but, by virtue of their different histories, each school starts with a different set of strengths and handicaps. So Yale has to worry about the implications of having named campus buildings after defenders of slavery and having comparatively weak STEM programs, while UChicago has to worry about name recognition and cash flow and how to rethink the Core.
Lots of Americans have a tendency to confuse wealth/social status with merit. And there’s a real strain of anti-intellectualism in our culture. So they act like the barbarians are at the gates when the hegemony of certain educational institutions gets challenged or when those institutions make room for different kinds of students.
[Stanford has a foot in both camps — started out a rich kids school despite being founded in the 19th, but gained status as the result of a tech boom, so science is a core part of its identity.]
I don't have a horse in this race but this was the most thoughtful and informative post on this thread......by far.
Anonymous
11/10/2017 18:05
Subject: Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
UChicago, like Johns Hopkins and MIT, was founded over a century later (actually more than 250 years after Harvard) and on a different model (German rather than English). These were research universities that embraced a scientific model of knowledge. Earlier universities in what is now the US were more oriented to instilling religious and moral values in a social elite (and enabling that elite to get to know each other. Chicago admitted women from the start. And it was the largest producer of African American PhDs in the world prior to WW2. So it has a different kind of history/raison d’etre/cultural DNA than the Ivies.
We’re in a moment now when institutional values of elite colleges in the US have pretty much converged, but, by virtue of their different histories, each school starts with a different set of strengths and handicaps. So Yale has to worry about the implications of having named campus buildings after defenders of slavery and having comparatively weak STEM programs, while UChicago has to worry about name recognition and cash flow and how to rethink the Core.
Lots of Americans have a tendency to confuse wealth/social status with merit. And there’s a real strain of anti-intellectualism in our culture. So they act like the barbarians are at the gates when the hegemony of certain educational institutions gets challenged or when those institutions make room for different kinds of students.
[Stanford has a foot in both camps — started out a rich kids school despite being founded in the 19th, but gained status as the result of a tech boom, so science is a core part of its identity.]
We’re in a moment now when institutional values of elite colleges in the US have pretty much converged, but, by virtue of their different histories, each school starts with a different set of strengths and handicaps. So Yale has to worry about the implications of having named campus buildings after defenders of slavery and having comparatively weak STEM programs, while UChicago has to worry about name recognition and cash flow and how to rethink the Core.
Lots of Americans have a tendency to confuse wealth/social status with merit. And there’s a real strain of anti-intellectualism in our culture. So they act like the barbarians are at the gates when the hegemony of certain educational institutions gets challenged or when those institutions make room for different kinds of students.
[Stanford has a foot in both camps — started out a rich kids school despite being founded in the 19th, but gained status as the result of a tech boom, so science is a core part of its identity.]
Anonymous
11/10/2017 17:45
Subject: Re:Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
Anonymous wrote:
Literally no one is buying that Chicago is a top 3 school. Top 5 are HYPSM everyone knows this. Chicago is comfortably top 6-10 along with Columbia, Penn, Caltech and either Duke or one of the other ivies depending on who you ask.
I think that you'd have to be clinically deranged to spend time trying to parse the rank ordering of the top 10 colleges.....just batshit crazy. I would hope that you approach the rest of your life with better perspective.
Oh really? So I you mean to say for most people HYPSM is seen as interchangeable with a place like Chicago?! Or I guess Harvard's yield of 80%+ compared to Columbia's mid-60% (with ED mind you) is purely coincidental. Get real here.
No, I mean that any reasonably intelligent person and reasonably good parent wouldn't obsessively chase rankings but instead focus on the college that presented the best fit with their child's personality, learning objectives, career goals, etc.
Anonymous
11/10/2017 17:31
Subject: Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
No, it isn’t HYPSM. And H isn’t Y isn't P isn’t S and none of them are anything like M. Is a UChicago grad likely to be as intelligent and well-educated as an HYPS grad? Yes, at least. S/he, like HYPS grads, will be differently educated than an M grad. Academics know this, employers know this, even students at the other schools know this.
Historically, HYP are rich kids schools — not (exclusively or primarily) smart kid schools. As very old schools for the rich, they have gigantic endowments which gives them lots of money/resources, as well as a longer history of famous alumni and the reputation that goes with that. They also have a very WASPY (not always very bright) legacy base.
UChicago, like Johns Hopkins and MIT, was founded a could
Stanford has a foot in both camps — started out a rich kids school but founded centuries later than HYP, gained status as the result of a tech boom, so more emphasis
Historically, HYP are rich kids schools — not (exclusively or primarily) smart kid schools. As very old schools for the rich, they have gigantic endowments which gives them lots of money/resources, as well as a longer history of famous alumni and the reputation that goes with that. They also have a very WASPY (not always very bright) legacy base.
UChicago, like Johns Hopkins and MIT, was founded a could
Stanford has a foot in both camps — started out a rich kids school but founded centuries later than HYP, gained status as the result of a tech boom, so more emphasis
Anonymous
11/10/2017 17:03
Subject: Re:Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The malevolence is tangible. What happened between you and the school?
Oh- I've got it.
Her cookie cutter smart rich kid cast a wide net when applying for schools and mom expected him to get in, with awards and fanfare, to every university he applied to. Only the University of Chicago rejected her son outright. What right does this inferior school have to reject her special Pookie?? The nerve!!!
A pox on those bad people forever!
I'll show them! I'll trash the school on DCUM at every possible opportunity! Then they'll know the huge mistake they made in rejecting my darling! Mwahahahaa.
She must feel better now...
You are not helping Chicago's case here. Chicago notoriously employs yield protection, this is widely known. The negative comments for Chicago are due to the fact that it tries way too hard.
Negative comments are due to the whole premise of this thread. U Chicago is undeniably a great school, but it’s not HYPSM.
Anonymous
11/10/2017 16:50
Subject: Re:Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The malevolence is tangible. What happened between you and the school?
Oh- I've got it.
Her cookie cutter smart rich kid cast a wide net when applying for schools and mom expected him to get in, with awards and fanfare, to every university he applied to. Only the University of Chicago rejected her son outright. What right does this inferior school have to reject her special Pookie?? The nerve!!!
A pox on those bad people forever!
I'll show them! I'll trash the school on DCUM at every possible opportunity! Then they'll know the huge mistake they made in rejecting my darling! Mwahahahaa.
She must feel better now...
You are not helping Chicago's case here. Chicago notoriously employs yield protection, this is widely known. The negative comments for Chicago are due to the fact that it tries way too hard.
Anonymous
11/10/2017 15:40
Subject: Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
Anonymous wrote:^Princeton grade deflation and UChicago grade deflation are not similar. UofC is way worse
How so? You have actual data to back that up?
Anonymous
11/10/2017 15:20
Subject: Re:Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The malevolence is tangible. What happened between you and the school?
Oh- I've got it.
Her cookie cutter smart rich kid cast a wide net when applying for schools and mom expected him to get in, with awards and fanfare, to every university he applied to. Only the University of Chicago rejected her son outright. What right does this inferior school have to reject her special Pookie?? The nerve!!!
A pox on those bad people forever!
I'll show them! I'll trash the school on DCUM at every possible opportunity! Then they'll know the huge mistake they made in rejecting my darling! Mwahahahaa.
She must feel better now...
Anonymous
11/10/2017 14:48
Subject: Re:Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
It does take a brave and very confident soul! And one whose parents are willing to keep their shudders contained. Seriously though, the reputations of the tough grading schools are well known by the "prestigious" employers and there is margin allowed. It all works out just fine for serious students. Despite less than perfect GPAs, my son's older friends all have 3rd year internships and job offers where most on DCUM would want them. On the other hand, if you want to party 7 days a week, not so much the place to be. I guess it all depends on what type of network you want to build for your career goals.
Anonymous
11/10/2017 14:45
Subject: Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
^Princeton grade deflation and UChicago grade deflation are not similar. UofC is way worse
Anonymous
11/10/2017 14:28
Subject: Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
Anonymous wrote:I agree that you don’t have to sacrifice networking/credentialing to attend UChicago*, but in terms of how you’re going to spend your time in college, there will be a helluva lot more time spent studying than building your network.
*Depends on career goal, ability, alternative school(s).
+1. I imagine most students can’t afford to deal with the possibility of grade deflation these days (probably why the student in the Princeton thread doesn’t want to go there)
Anonymous
11/10/2017 14:24
Subject: Re:Does Chicago win head to heads vs any Ivys?
Literally no one is buying that Chicago is a top 3 school. Top 5 are HYPSM everyone knows this. Chicago is comfortably top 6-10 along with Columbia, Penn, Caltech and either Duke or one of the other ivies depending on who you ask.
I think that you'd have to be clinically deranged to spend time trying to parse the rank ordering of the top 10 colleges.....just batshit crazy. I would hope that you approach the rest of your life with better perspective.
Oh really? So I you mean to say for most people HYPSM is seen as interchangeable with a place like Chicago?! Or I guess Harvard's yield of 80%+ compared to Columbia's mid-60% (with ED mind you) is purely coincidental. Get real here.