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Anonymous wrote:As a British Caribbean family we have an incredibly difficult time understanding African American culture. Our African and other Caribbean friends don't get it either. It is beyond hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness, but we do not understand any of it.
Our public school experience has been fine, but the kids' friend base is international.

I think PP is just being polite. What you don't understand is why certain people are trying to logic that slavery and segregation before, has resulted in "violence, hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness" in current day America. Many people do not understand this. It is quite the chip on one's shoulder.

I'm Jewish. Back in college I recall being part of some late night philosophical conversation between a few Blacks, Israelis and American Jews. We were all making the case for how slighted we were in the world but needed to make the best of it now. Unfortunately, in many circles, I do not think citizenship or patriotism will ever have more allegiance over race.

I have to disagree. Before LBJ's Great Society, Black Americans where enjoying increasing employment, business ownership, home ownership, decreasing crime, decreasing out of wedlock children, etc. They were beginning to enjoy the fruits their preceding generations labored for. The Great Society is what destroyed the Black Family, communities, ownership etc. After the great society and the loss of MLK, race hustlers and demagogues came to the for.e.. they gained control of cites like Baltimore, Detroit and so many others. Whole communities have been destroyed. 'Racist America' didn't do it, I'm not even sure 'Racist America' exists.

Did you get your talking points from Stormfront?

You do realize there is a difference between racist americans and a racist America dont you?? Yes there are racists of all colors in our country but over all i think they are a rare phenomenon. But to say we a racist country... nonsense!

You are living in a bubble of privilege if you can't see the systemic racism that exists. Also, you don't have to burn a cross on someone's lawn to harbor implicit bias, which is insidious and every bit as damaging as explicit bias.

I will be sure to link this post to anybody wondering why Whitman has such a bad reputation.

Anonymous wrote:Teens test boundaries, that's what they do, so schools need to draw a line somewhere so everyone feels safe coming to school. Part of the reason Pyle has such an issue is because kids get away with a LOT there. It is ridiculously hard to be black there. For the few black staff members, it's hard too. There's been a lot of hate directed at Jewish kids too, but they at least have higher numbers. Whitman has to clean up the students language and behavior when they get to high school and I am glad Goodwin has taken that on.

Oh, thank god, more BS from the Anti-Pyle troll.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if OP is the same poster who disses Greatschool rating of Whitman, said that teachers urged the students to sabotage the testing and that no way schools that scored higher are actually better academically than Whitman, bcs they are " schools where you see how bad they are just by passing by?" Now, this pp, maybe the same one is excusing racist behavior and effort from the school to address the issue. Just keep telling your kid how school and principal and making this into a bigger issue than it is, and then act surprised when your kid is as racist as you are. Oh, wait, you wouldn't be surprised, you would be proud!

OP here.

Haven't read that post.

Now please explain, why are you calling my children and myself a racist??

Because....you are?? Nothing is wrong with the e-mail, nothing is wrong with the school trying to install values and acceptance to their students. What exactly makes you opposed to making a "big issue," out of this? It is a big issue. No matter the ethnic background of kids using this word, it is meant as a racial slur and even when black NBA players admit to using it among themselves as a joke, it is wrong. What is wrong with you? Why do you not think this is a big deal? What do you think it makes you when you tell your kids that school is making too big of a deal of somebody using racial slurs and insults?

Where did I say it was not a big deal to use the word? I said the response was overkill. Did I not criticize those who used the words?

Look at the vibrant discussion here... many opinions on this but you single me out as a racist with no evidence but merely because my opinion differs from yours.

That fact says more about you than me. How about instead of casting aspersions we focus on whether the response exceeds the deed. I think it does, you think it doesn't. OK then... I ask what will the principal do the next time the word is used? He has already sent two mass emails out, he has already counseled every student. What's next... suspension? Over a word?? What happens if it was a minority who says it... do you suspend the non minorities for saying but not the minorities student? Do you suspend the minority when they don't even think the word is a pejorative?? All these issues now arise because this has been amplified by the Principal. He should have kept his response between the culprits and their parents. I fear going public as it were will only compound matters going forward. I could be wrong, time will tell. If there are no further issues regarding this issue, I'll come back and apologize.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if OP is the same poster who disses Greatschool rating of Whitman, said that teachers urged the students to sabotage the testing and that no way schools that scored higher are actually better academically than Whitman, bcs they are " schools where you see how bad they are just by passing by?" Now, this pp, maybe the same one is excusing racist behavior and effort from the school to address the issue. Just keep telling your kid how school and principal and making this into a bigger issue than it is, and then act surprised when your kid is as racist as you are. Oh, wait, you wouldn't be surprised, you would be proud!

OP here.

Haven't read that post.

Now please explain, why are you calling my children and myself a racist??

Because....you are?? Nothing is wrong with the e-mail, nothing is wrong with the school trying to install values and acceptance to their students. What exactly makes you opposed to making a "big issue," out of this? It is a big issue. No matter the ethnic background of kids using this word, it is meant as a racial slur and even when black NBA players admit to using it among themselves as a joke, it is wrong. What is wrong with you? Why do you not think this is a big deal? What do you think it makes you when you tell your kids that school is making too big of a deal of somebody using racial slurs and insults?

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Anonymous wrote:As a British Caribbean family we have an incredibly difficult time understanding African American culture. Our African and other Caribbean friends don't get it either. It is beyond hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness, but we do not understand any of it.
Our public school experience has been fine, but the kids' friend base is international.

I think PP is just being polite. What you don't understand is why certain people are trying to logic that slavery and segregation before, has resulted in "violence, hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness" in current day America. Many people do not understand this. It is quite the chip on one's shoulder.

I'm Jewish. Back in college I recall being part of some late night philosophical conversation between a few Blacks, Israelis and American Jews. We were all making the case for how slighted we were in the world but needed to make the best of it now. Unfortunately, in many circles, I do not think citizenship or patriotism will ever have more allegiance over race.

I have to disagree. Before LBJ's Great Society, Black Americans where enjoying increasing employment, business ownership, home ownership, decreasing crime, decreasing out of wedlock children, etc. They were beginning to enjoy the fruits their preceding generations labored for. The Great Society is what destroyed the Black Family, communities, ownership etc. After the great society and the loss of MLK, race hustlers and demagogues came to the for.e.. they gained control of cites like Baltimore, Detroit and so many others. Whole communities have been destroyed. 'Racist America' didn't do it, I'm not even sure 'Racist America' exists.

Did you get your talking points from Stormfront?

You do realize there is a difference between racist americans and a racist America dont you?? Yes there are racists of all colors in our country but over all i think they are a rare phenomenon. But to say we a racist country... nonsense!

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand. Is your point that they already know that it's really bad to use the word, therefore the administration shouldn't say that it's really bad to use the word?

If you want to know what gender-charged words are, send an e-mail to the school administrator and ask.

Here are some gender based charge words, that I hope you and your kids are not using.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_slang_terms#For_lesbians

Really? I think people have differing opinions on some of those words, as to whether or not they are acceptable.

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Anonymous wrote:As a British Caribbean family we have an incredibly difficult time understanding African American culture. Our African and other Caribbean friends don't get it either. It is beyond hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness, but we do not understand any of it.
Our public school experience has been fine, but the kids' friend base is international.

I think PP is just being polite. What you don't understand is why certain people are trying to logic that slavery and segregation before, has resulted in "violence, hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness" in current day America. Many people do not understand this. It is quite the chip on one's shoulder.

I'm Jewish. Back in college I recall being part of some late night philosophical conversation between a few Blacks, Israelis and American Jews. We were all making the case for how slighted we were in the world but needed to make the best of it now. Unfortunately, in many circles, I do not think citizenship or patriotism will ever have more allegiance over race.

I have to disagree. Before LBJ's Great Society, Black Americans where enjoying increasing employment, business ownership, home ownership, decreasing crime, decreasing out of wedlock children, etc. They were beginning to enjoy the fruits their preceding generations labored for. The Great Society is what destroyed the Black Family, communities, ownership etc. After the great society and the loss of MLK, race hustlers and demagogues came to the for.e.. they gained control of cites like Baltimore, Detroit and so many others. Whole communities have been destroyed. 'Racist America' didn't do it, I'm not even sure 'Racist America' exists.

Did you get your talking points from Stormfront?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand. Is your point that they already know that it's really bad to use the word, therefore the administration shouldn't say that it's really bad to use the word?

If you want to know what gender-charged words are, send an e-mail to the school administrator and ask.

Here are some gender based charge words, that I hope you and your kids are not using.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_slang_terms#For_lesbians

For the most part that is what our family says.

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand. Is your point that they already know that it's really bad to use the word, therefore the administration shouldn't say that it's really bad to use the word?

If you want to know what gender-charged words are, send an e-mail to the school administrator and ask.

Here are some gender based charge words, that I hope you and your kids are not using.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LGBT_slang_terms#For_lesbians

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Anonymous wrote:As a British Caribbean family we have an incredibly difficult time understanding African American culture. Our African and other Caribbean friends don't get it either. It is beyond hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness, but we do not understand any of it.
Our public school experience has been fine, but the kids' friend base is international.

I think PP is just being polite. What you don't understand is why certain people are trying to logic that slavery and segregation before, has resulted in "violence, hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness" in current day America. Many people do not understand this. It is quite the chip on one's shoulder.

I'm Jewish. Back in college I recall being part of some late night philosophical conversation between a few Blacks, Israelis and American Jews. We were all making the case for how slighted we were in the world but needed to make the best of it now. Unfortunately, in many circles, I do not think citizenship or patriotism will ever have more allegiance over race.

I have to disagree. Before LBJ's Great Society, Black Americans where enjoying increasing employment, business ownership, home ownership, decreasing crime, decreasing out of wedlock children, etc. They were beginning to enjoy the fruits their preceding generations labored for. The Great Society is what destroyed the Black Family, communities, ownership etc. After the great society and the loss of MLK, race hustlers and demagogues came to the for.e.. they gained control of cites like Baltimore, Detroit and so many others. Whole communities have been destroyed. 'Racist America' didn't do it, I'm not even sure 'Racist America' exists.

Anonymous wrote:As a British Caribbean family we have an incredibly difficult time understanding African American culture. Our African and other Caribbean friends don't get it either. It is beyond hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness, but we do not understand any of it.
Our public school experience has been fine, but the kids' friend base is international.

I think PP is just being polite. What you don't understand is why certain people are trying to logic that slavery and segregation before, has resulted in "violence, hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness" in current day America. Many people do not understand this. It is quite the chip on one's shoulder.

I'm Jewish. Back in college I recall being part of some late night philosophical conversation between a few Blacks, Israelis and American Jews. We were all making the case for how slighted we were in the world but needed to make the best of it now. Unfortunately, in many circles, I do not think citizenship or patriotism will ever have more allegiance over race.

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Anonymous wrote:Come on, don't people remember words like dyke, queer, even redneck are taken over by people who had been taunted with them? It's called reappropriation. Even "Obamacare" used to be a taunt until the administration reappropriated it. Here's Wikipedia on the subject: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reappropriation

The N word has been reappropriated by AAs. That's why it's ok for them to say it about one another but not white people. They've taken it back to take the sting out of it.

Or maybe they just used it because they heard it and it got ingrained. Not all things have nobility ingrained in them.

Agreed, I doubt that that many poor people could come up with a empowering plan and put it into effect Across such a wide area. the whole "take the sting out of it" is completely revisionist history view through rose glasses. It was just regurgitated until it stuck, the simple answer is normally the correct one.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if OP is the same poster who disses Greatschool rating of Whitman, said that teachers urged the students to sabotage the testing and that no way schools that scored higher are actually better academically than Whitman, bcs they are " schools where you see how bad they are just by passing by?" Now, this pp, maybe the same one is excusing racist behavior and effort from the school to address the issue. Just keep telling your kid how school and principal and making this into a bigger issue than it is, and then act surprised when your kid is as racist as you are. Oh, wait, you wouldn't be surprised, you would be proud!

OP here.

Haven't read that post.

Now please explain, why are you calling my children and myself a racist??

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Anonymous wrote:As a British Caribbean family we have an incredibly difficult time understanding African American culture. Our African and other Caribbean friends don't get it either. It is beyond hip hop, rap, crime rates, children out of wedlock, sports stars, impoliteness, but we do not understand any of it.
Our public school experience has been fine, but the kids' friend base is international.

As a white Midwestern American person, may I recommend a visit to the museum on the Mall that opened last year? Another option is to talk to the many African-American people you surely encounter during your regular day.

No comment on how other communities and colonies overcame prior slavery in their regions. But, the joke in the non-AA black community is wondering for how many decades or centuries AA will continue on their path and attempt to blame others for their present behavior.

Ask anyone at World Bank, ADB, IFC or IMF.

Forever. There are folks who want “reparations” for generations-ago slavery, I.e., another check from the government.

What's the endgame? Money? Be put in charge of all Gov't? Revenge?

At some point you have to be a responsible productive citizen or spiral everything downward.

OT, somewhat... but such a good point.

I say this to DH all the time! Even about the 'taking a knee' protests. What exactly do these players want to happen. What specific goal are they looking to achieve?

If it's just a vague, 'we want less blacks to die' then there is way more than needs to be done than just police department reform. Is it 'equality'? That's such a nebulous concept that it's impossible to achieve.

I can see p

This, there will always be an underclass defined by some sort of criteria. I get it the current underclass is sort of bitter, how would they like the people separated? Intelligence, birth, strength, schooling or nationality? There is always going to be more poor people than rich, more disenfranchised than lambo drivers. As long as tribalism is inherently human and Capitalism is the law of the land a large section of the country is screwed and the ruling class will fight to protect their privilege. All we are really talking about is who the privileged are