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It's not the flag that the players are protesting, btw. Trying to reason with somebody who can't even grasp that simple fact is pointless.

Sorry. When you sit or take a knee during the anthem, you are protesting the flag and what it represents. Why can you not grasp that? How is taking a knee during the anthem (which honors our flag and country) anything else? That is why people are upset.

You want to protest the police? Do something else.

No, you are protesting the fact that this country is not living up to the values that flag represents. How can you not grasp that?

Anonymous wrote:Why don't the players just take a knee during a special period for this protest? Why does it have to happen during the national anthem?

I don't have any problem with protesting, but when you take a knee during the national anthem, you are explicitly protesting the flag. The motivation seems to just piss people off. Why is anyone surprised the by reaction?

This is what is confusing. Why do this in a way that shows disrespect for the flag, the national anthem, and all that represents?

Why not institute a time before the game in which all who wish to can take a knee and pray for the end of racial inequality in the US? I think that would send a strong and clear message which would not end up getting muddied with the whole issue of showing disrespect for the flag and the anthem.

The players have an important message which is not being focused on because of the lack of respect issue.

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This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.

Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."

Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.

America and it's values have nothing to do with standing up for justice?

So sad that you see it that way.

So sad that you graduated elementary school without knowing the difference between its and it's.

It's not the flag that the players are protesting, btw. Trying to reason with somebody who can't even grasp that simple fact is pointless.

Sorry. When you sit or take a knee during the anthem, you are protesting the flag and what it represents. Why can you not grasp that? How is taking a knee during the anthem (which honors our flag and country) anything else? That is why people are upset.

You want to protest the police? Do something else.

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This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.

Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."

Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.

Do you also think it was offensive when MLK took a knee to protest racial injustice?

MLK did not take a knee. He appealed to American and Christian values to promote racial justice and reconciliation. Does anyone know history around here?

Yes, plenty of people here know history but you are apparently not one of them.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernice-king-protests_us_59c885e0e4b0cdc773322542


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/09/24/amid-trumps-nfl-war-photos-of-martin-luther-king-jr-taking-a-knee-resurface/?utm_term=.83338f9fbb39



https://www.glamour.com/story/mlks-daughter-had-the-perfect-response-to-critics-of-the-nfl-national-anthem-protests

You are a fool. Sorry I didn't put "take a knee" in quotes. MLK didn't protest the flag, but in fact appealed to American values. Please try to address that point.

Nah, you're just sorry that your ignorance was called out & are trying to backtrack.

It's not the flag that the players are protesting, btw. Trying to reason with somebody who can't even grasp that simple fact is pointless.

Why don't the players just take a knee during a special period for this protest? Why does it have to happen during the national anthem?

I don't have any problem with protesting, but when you take a knee during the national anthem, you are explicitly protesting the flag. The motivation seems to just piss people off. Why is anyone surprised the by reaction?

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This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.

Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."

Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.

Do you also think it was offensive when MLK took a knee to protest racial injustice?

MLK did not take a knee. He appealed to American and Christian values to promote racial justice and reconciliation. Does anyone know history around here?

Yes, plenty of people here know history but you are apparently not one of them.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernice-king-protests_us_59c885e0e4b0cdc773322542


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/09/24/amid-trumps-nfl-war-photos-of-martin-luther-king-jr-taking-a-knee-resurface/?utm_term=.83338f9fbb39



https://www.glamour.com/story/mlks-daughter-had-the-perfect-response-to-critics-of-the-nfl-national-anthem-protests

You are a fool. Sorry I didn't put "take a knee" in quotes. MLK didn't protest the flag, but in fact appealed to American values. Please try to address that point.

Maybe you should actually read about MLK's daughter's response to the players taking a knee before you call somebody else a fool.

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This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.

Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."

Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.

Do you also think it was offensive when MLK took a knee to protest racial injustice?

MLK did not take a knee. He appealed to American and Christian values to promote racial justice and reconciliation. Does anyone know history around here?

Yes, plenty of people here know history but you are apparently not one of them.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernice-king-protests_us_59c885e0e4b0cdc773322542


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/09/24/amid-trumps-nfl-war-photos-of-martin-luther-king-jr-taking-a-knee-resurface/?utm_term=.83338f9fbb39



https://www.glamour.com/story/mlks-daughter-had-the-perfect-response-to-critics-of-the-nfl-national-anthem-protests

You are a fool. Sorry I didn't put "take a knee" in quotes. MLK didn't protest the flag, but in fact appealed to American values. Please try to address that point.

The players are also appealing to American values through their chosen method of protest. Those values include justice & equality.

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This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.

Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."

Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.

Do you also think it was offensive when MLK took a knee to protest racial injustice?

MLK did not take a knee. He appealed to American and Christian values to promote racial justice and reconciliation. Does anyone know history around here?

Yes, plenty of people here know history but you are apparently not one of them.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernice-king-protests_us_59c885e0e4b0cdc773322542


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/09/24/amid-trumps-nfl-war-photos-of-martin-luther-king-jr-taking-a-knee-resurface/?utm_term=.83338f9fbb39



https://www.glamour.com/story/mlks-daughter-had-the-perfect-response-to-critics-of-the-nfl-national-anthem-protests

You are a fool. Sorry I didn't put "take a knee" in quotes. MLK didn't protest the flag, but in fact appealed to American values. Please try to address that point.

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This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.

Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."

Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.

Do you also think it was offensive when MLK took a knee to protest racial injustice?

MLK did not take a knee. He appealed to American and Christian values to promote racial justice and reconciliation. Does anyone know history around here?

Yes, plenty of people here know history but you are apparently not one of them.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernice-king-protests_us_59c885e0e4b0cdc773322542


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/09/24/amid-trumps-nfl-war-photos-of-martin-luther-king-jr-taking-a-knee-resurface/?utm_term=.83338f9fbb39



https://www.glamour.com/story/mlks-daughter-had-the-perfect-response-to-critics-of-the-nfl-national-anthem-protests

Those pictures show MLK kneeling and praying in a protest situation, but the text does not indicate that the National Anthem was playing at the time. That is different from using the one knee position as a substitute for refusing to stand.

The player who started this only chose the one knee position after his refusal to stand was criticized.

People have the right to protest in any way they choose. Others have the right to disagree with them. They all have the right to discuss their thoughts in any peaceful way they wish.

The intent is the same regardless of whether or not the anthem is playing. Both the athletes & MLK took a knee to peacefully protest & bring light to unjustice.

No, the players are only taking a knee as a substitute for sitting during the anthem. The knee position was only chosen when the original player got push back over sitting. MLK was praying during his protest, the player did not choose this position for praying.*

They have the right to protest any peaceful way they like, but others have the right to peacefully disagree with the way they are choosing to protest.

*he chose this position specifically as a way to avoid standing without actually staying seated during the anthem.

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This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.

Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."

Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.

Do you also think it was offensive when MLK took a knee to protest racial injustice?

MLK did not take a knee. He appealed to American and Christian values to promote racial justice and reconciliation. Does anyone know history around here?

Yes, plenty of people here know history but you are apparently not one of them.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernice-king-protests_us_59c885e0e4b0cdc773322542


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/09/24/amid-trumps-nfl-war-photos-of-martin-luther-king-jr-taking-a-knee-resurface/?utm_term=.83338f9fbb39



https://www.glamour.com/story/mlks-daughter-had-the-perfect-response-to-critics-of-the-nfl-national-anthem-protests

Those pictures show MLK kneeling and praying in a protest situation, but the text does not indicate that the National Anthem was playing at the time. That is different from using the one knee position as a substitute for refusing to stand.

The player who started this only chose the one knee position after his refusal to stand was criticized.

People have the right to protest in any way they choose. Others have the right to disagree with them. They all have the right to discuss their thoughts in any peaceful way they wish.

The intent is the same regardless of whether or not the anthem is playing. Both the athletes & MLK took a knee to peacefully protest & bring light to unjustice.

No, the players are only taking a knee as a substitute for sitting during the anthem. The knee position was only chosen when the original player got push back over sitting. MLK was praying during his protest, the player did not choose this position for praying.

They have the right to protest any peaceful way they like, but others have the right to peacefully disagree with the way they are choosing to protest.

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This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.

Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."

Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.

America and it's values have nothing to do with standing up for justice?

So sad that you see it that way.

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Once again, the people who accuse others of disrespecting American values are the same people who fail to understand or respect for those values themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to throw out a thought--Jehovah's Witnesses do not salute the flag or recite the Pledge of Allegiance. For those who would flip out over a student or teacher sitting or kneeling during the pledge, FYI, it happens every day.

Unless we're going to stop recognizing the freedom to practice one's religion, on top of everything else...

I posted on here about this earlier. I taught children who were Jehovah's Witness. Our principal's policy was that they would stand in respect to the others in the room or wiat in the hall during the pledge. It was no big deal, but they did not sit while others stood. They did not have to pledge. Standing indicates respect. We stand when the anthem of other countries is played at events, don't we?

Yes, always. I have been to a lot of ice hockey games and the US people always stand for "O, Canada" and the Canadians always stand for "The Star Spangled Banner." At the Olympics, the athletes and the spectators all stand for every national anthem that is played. One stands to show respect, for the anthem of your own country and those of other countries also.

Usually, when a person doesn't stand, that is a choice made specifically to show disrespect.

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This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.

Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."

Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.

Do you also think it was offensive when MLK took a knee to protest racial injustice?

MLK did not take a knee. He appealed to American and Christian values to promote racial justice and reconciliation. Does anyone know history around here?

Yes, plenty of people here know history but you are apparently not one of them.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernice-king-protests_us_59c885e0e4b0cdc773322542


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/retropolis/wp/2017/09/24/amid-trumps-nfl-war-photos-of-martin-luther-king-jr-taking-a-knee-resurface/?utm_term=.83338f9fbb39



https://www.glamour.com/story/mlks-daughter-had-the-perfect-response-to-critics-of-the-nfl-national-anthem-protests

Those pictures show MLK kneeling and praying in a protest situation, but the text does not indicate that the National Anthem was playing at the time. That is different from using the one knee position as a substitute for refusing to stand.

The player who started this only chose the one knee position after his refusal to stand was criticized.

People have the right to protest in any way they choose. Others have the right to disagree with them. They all have the right to discuss their thoughts in any peaceful way they wish.

The intent is the same regardless of whether or not the anthem is playing. Both the athletes & MLK took a knee to peacefully protest & bring light to unjustice.

Anonymous wrote:

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This is the stupidest "protest" trend I have ever seen. I have zero problems with someone not saying the pledge. But they must truly be idiots if they think kneeling, a sign of deference and respect, connotes civil disobedience. I would just think a person kneeling was extra-patriotic. GIANT FAIL.

Apparently, when it started the player was refusing to stand up for the playing of the anthem, but when that was seen as disrespectful, he changed to the "taking a knee."

Taking a knee to me is even more offensive. He chose a symbol to protest that had nothing to do with his grievance.

America and it's values have nothing to do with standing up for justice?

So sad that you see it that way.