Anonymous
Post 09/21/2017 07:41     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:If Rand Paul is against it, so am I.

He is the only one who gets health care.


Uh, no, he doesn't "get" health care. He gets draconian libertarian philosophy panders to what's good for the very wealthy and leaves the rest of us to fend for ourselves (because our lack of wealth is a sign of our inferiority and sloth). He has also stated he doesn't see health care as a right. So, no, he doesn't "get" health care, his ophthalmology degree aside.

The fact is that all of this anti ACA crap is partisan. Pure partisanship. How about we fix issues with the ACA or even examine single payer? Instead these GOP sleazeballs just pander to the Koch brothers and big health and pharma companies.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2017 07:35     Subject: Re:ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Obama's only legacy is the ACA which is why he is so vocal about keeping it intact and not seeing it repealed. Absent the ACA he would be remembered as the first black president and that is about it.

The goal with ACA was laudable but Obama's greatest failing was that he would come up with half-baked solutions to significant issues - which is what ACA is in the form that it was passed - and then leave it to others to fix when it began to fall apart. He did it with ACA and he did it with DACA where he signed an EO to offer temporary respite to 800K young people in the country illegally and left it to others to fix when the $hit hit the fan.

In both instances he feigns indignation when the "fix" that he wants is one that is not palatable to the successor administration. The reality is that if he wanted something that was more enduring he should have crafted it that way in the first place. ACA was passed entirely by Democrats when they had an almost filibuster proof majority in the senate and a sizable majority in the House. They squarely are to blame for coming up with a flawed piece of legislation that was bound to fall apart.


He didn't leave it to others to fix. The democrats and Obama had all sorts of fixes that the GOP refused to bring to a vote. It is incredibly disingenuous not to acknowledge that.

Changes/fixes to ACA

http://galen.org/2016/changes-to-obamacare-so-far/
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2017 07:34     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My health insurance has increased $3750 under OBama.

THanks liberals.

It would have increased even more without the ACA.

DP

Not true.

As to our insurance it increased in three years from 749 a month to 1437 with no tax credit.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2017 07:03     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
If Rand Paul is against it, so am I.

He is the only one who gets health care.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2017 07:01     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:My health insurance has increased $3750 under OBama.

THanks liberals.


Yup. Me too.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2017 06:58     Subject: Re:ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:Obama's only legacy is the ACA which is why he is so vocal about keeping it intact and not seeing it repealed. Absent the ACA he would be remembered as the first black president and that is about it.

The goal with ACA was laudable but Obama's greatest failing was that he would come up with half-baked solutions to significant issues - which is what ACA is in the form that it was passed - and then leave it to others to fix when it began to fall apart. He did it with ACA and he did it with DACA where he signed an EO to offer temporary respite to 800K young people in the country illegally and left it to others to fix when the $hit hit the fan.

In both instances he feigns indignation when the "fix" that he wants is one that is not palatable to the successor administration. The reality is that if he wanted something that was more enduring he should have crafted it that way in the first place. ACA was passed entirely by Democrats when they had an almost filibuster proof majority in the senate and a sizable majority in the House. They squarely are to blame for coming up with a flawed piece of legislation that was bound to fall apart.


He didn't leave it to others to fix. The democrats and Obama had all sorts of fixes that the GOP refused to bring to a vote. It is incredibly disingenuous not to acknowledge that.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2017 06:57     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:My health insurance has increased $3750 under OBama.

THanks liberals.


Under the current bill proposal, your insurance will increase at least 20% right off the top. Further, depending on what state you are in, it is highly likely that your coverage terms will change to limit or exempt pre-existing condition and further will place caps on your coverage so in the event of a catastrophic event, you may not be fully covered. Caps can be as little as $100,000 depending on the plan you have, so if you get breast cancer, only 100,000 of the suggested $140,000 cost will be covered. As such, unless you have an extra $40k lying around, you will not be able to receive full coverage and will either die or file for bankruptcy.

Anonymous
Post 09/21/2017 06:56     Subject: Re:ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Obama's only legacy is the ACA which is why he is so vocal about keeping it intact and not seeing it repealed. Absent the ACA he would be remembered as the first black president and that is about it.

The goal with ACA was laudable but Obama's greatest failing was that he would come up with half-baked solutions to significant issues - which is what ACA is in the form that it was passed - and then leave it to others to fix when it began to fall apart. He did it with ACA and he did it with DACA where he signed an EO to offer temporary respite to 800K young people in the country illegally and left it to others to fix when the $hit hit the fan.

In both instances he feigns indignation when the "fix" that he wants is one that is not palatable to the successor administration. The reality is that if he wanted something that was more enduring he should have crafted it that way in the first place. ACA was passed entirely by Democrats when they had an almost filibuster proof majority in the senate and a sizable majority in the House. They squarely are to blame for coming up with a flawed piece of legislation that was bound to fall apart.
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2017 06:27     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:My health insurance has increased $3750 under OBama.

THanks liberals.


Well hang on then because the GOP plan being trotted out will potentially cost you even more and you'll get less. You'll be able to thank "conservatives"/GOP sucking the for-profit healthcare industry's teat. Will you feel better then?
Anonymous
Post 09/21/2017 06:22     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The ACA is bankrupting the nation
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Fixed


No, our current for-profit health care system is bankrupting the country - and has been for a long time. When you have an industry that enormously inflates everything from lab tests to pharmaceutical drugs for Americans to make big profits, that's what bankrupts this country.

So much for "market forces" the US is the sucker that literally pays hundreds more for basic drugs and health services than any other country in the western world and we have mediocre outcomes across the board.

Moreover, while I certainly advocate for a strong defense in our country, the grotesque misalignment between defense spending and spending on what promotes societal and economic well being - education, health care, infrastructure, etc - is bankrupting this country. Let's shore up our defense, but when 57% of spending goes to the military and defense, something is not right.

Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 23:57     Subject: Re:ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
So many bots on this thread. Sorry Repugs, regular people don't want the ACA repealed--certainly not if it means lifetime caps could be reinstated, or people with pre-existing conditions couldn't get coverage (spoiler alert: if you live long enough, you will have some sort of pre-existing condition diagnosis, too). Who cares what happens to those of us who are already sick--good Americans don't get sick if they can't pay for it, right? If you're not wealthy enough to pay your own way, you just get out your shotgun and get cracking on a good-bye note like a good 'Merican who doesn't want to be a drain on society! You're just so full of family values, perhaps you're just putting us out of our misery? I'm sure that's it.

No, your big-money backers want this and you are doing their bidding, nothing else. What else are you going to bend over and take from them? You thought you were going to Washington to be the star quarterback. Turns out you're not even the water boy. Sad!
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 21:54     Subject: Re:ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I'm talking about an individual earning $50k whose kids are grown. There is no help for someone like that under the current ACA.


Blame the GOP who refused for 6 years to bring any patches or fixes to the ACA for vote. The dems have tried.


Or, blame the Dems who created such a crappy program. Remember Jonathan Gruber--the architect of the ACA? Counting on the fact that Americans are "stupid"?


No, blame the GOP. 6 years of being able to fix/improve it is a greater amount of time than the 1 year it took to create it.


No. Dems are responsible for the ACA. If I produce crappy product at my job, I can't absolve myself of responsibility by whining about how my coworkers won't help me fix it.



Sure you can, if your co-workers actively prevent you from fixing it.


Nope. Maybe you try to shirk responsibility when you screw up, but that's not how many of us operate. You can try to blame them for not helping you after the fact, but the initial crappy product is yours and yours alone.

Plus, why the hell would Dems think Republicans would vote for future ACA tweaks when they couldn't get any Republicans on board in the first place? You would have to be an idiot to actually believe that.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 21:45     Subject: Re:ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I'm talking about an individual earning $50k whose kids are grown. There is no help for someone like that under the current ACA.


Blame the GOP who refused for 6 years to bring any patches or fixes to the ACA for vote. The dems have tried.


Or, blame the Dems who created such a crappy program. Remember Jonathan Gruber--the architect of the ACA? Counting on the fact that Americans are "stupid"?


No, blame the GOP. 6 years of being able to fix/improve it is a greater amount of time than the 1 year it took to create it.


No. Dems are responsible for the ACA. If I produce crappy product at my job, I can't absolve myself of responsibility by whining about how my coworkers won't help me fix it.



Sure you can, if your co-workers actively prevent you from fixing it.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 21:44     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
Anonymous wrote:My health insurance has increased $3750 under OBama.

THanks liberals.


It would have increased even more without the ACA.
Anonymous
Post 09/20/2017 21:42     Subject: ACA being repealed, why no outrage here?
My health insurance has increased $3750 under OBama.

THanks liberals.