Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Aside from the whole business of whether Trump tower was or wasn't tapped, and aside from if it was tapped, what reason there was, PP his going through incomprehensible mental gymnastics trying to somehow make importance of the word "ordered"

How does that work, a President making things happen without ordering it?

Trump said "Obama had my wires tapped" but PP wants us to believe if Obama did it, he somehow did it without ordering it.

Is Obama a telepathic X-Men mutant, and implanted the idea to tap Trump Tower in someone's mind?

Did he personally climb a telephone pole disguised as a Verizon guy?

Did Michelle climb the telephone pole and tap it for Barack out of undying love?

Did Obama pray and God did it for him? Oh, wait, he's supposed to be a Muslim and so the Secret Kenyan Allah swooped down from the heavens and did it?

How exactly is this whole thing supposed to have happened without being ordered, if it happened at all?

A college football team had a huge rape scandal/cover-up. The board decided to fire the president of the university. Did the president "order" the rape? Of course not. But the buck stops with the president.

Anonymous wrote:
A college football team had a huge rape scandal/cover-up. The board decided to fire the president of the university. Did the president "order" the rape? Of course not. But the buck stops with the president.

Anonymous wrote:Aside from the whole business of whether Trump tower was or wasn't tapped, and aside from if it was tapped, what reason there was, PP his going through incomprehensible mental gymnastics trying to somehow make importance of the word "ordered"

How does that work, a President making things happen without ordering it?

Trump said "Obama had my wires tapped" but PP wants us to believe if Obama did it, he somehow did it without ordering it.

Is Obama a telepathic X-Men mutant, and implanted the idea to tap Trump Tower in someone's mind?

Did he personally climb a telephone pole disguised as a Verizon guy?

Did Michelle climb the telephone pole and tap it for Barack out of undying love?

Did Obama pray and God did it for him? Oh, wait, he's supposed to be a Muslim and so the Secret Kenyan Allah swooped down from the heavens and did it?

How exactly is this whole thing supposed to have happened without being ordered, if it happened at all?

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So in other words, Jeff doesn't like Mensch so all is just fine. No there there at all. There's no warrants for wiretapping, no nothing. Nope. Nothing to see here:

Sentences like this give me pause:

To be clear, Levin and Limbaugh and Pollak didn't publish any original reporting. They merely claimed to have connected some dots.[i]

Yet Levin said this:

[i]"It was investigating the campaign of a presidential candidate of an opposing party during the course of the campaign. Its use of FISA, loosening of NSA distribution requirements, husbanding and protecting information at the behest of White House staff on the way out the door, and recent leaks of confidential and perhaps classified information is extraordinary," he wrote.

"Everything I just said is based on media reports, including and especially the New York Times," he added. "It's time to get to the bottom of the extent of what took place in the Obama administration and who was involved. If Obama had no idea about any of this, then he must not have read the newspapers during his presidency, since some of it was public while he was president."

That NYT didn't publish the claims Levin made regarding FISA warrants. Mensch published that. Similarly, Mensch believes Putin had Andrew Breitbart killed. You are welcome to trust her reporting. I don't.

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Obama's non-denial denial is a deflection. No one including Trump said Obama "ordered" the wiretap.

Here is one of Trump's tweets:

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!

How strenuously do you want to debate the difference between "had" and "ordered"?

Anonymous wrote:
Obama's non-denial denial is a deflection. No one including Trump said Obama "ordered" the wiretap.

Anonymous wrote:For those who want to know where Levin got his info, etc, here's his open letter to Brian Stelter, in response to his article in CNN today:

"Did you listen to my show on Thursday, before President Trump tweeted? Did you watch my appearance on Fox and Friends Sunday morning? I know you are ticked I did not appear on your show, despite your numerous requests. Your ad hominem attacks about “right wing” radio host and conspiracy theory stuff … incredible.

I simply put together the stories that YOUR profession reported, on the public record. Do you deny there were two FISA applications? Do you deny the first was turned down? Do you deny the second was approved? It’s called the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. It is about surveillance. The fact that we cannot discern all the details because of the secrecy, except for what the media have revealed and selective leaks by the government, should cause you to want to know more, not to trash those who point it out.

And yes, we can make several logical implications based on events and experience. A FISA application is a big deal. One, or two in this case, that involve campaign surrogates, or a server or computer related to a candidate or campaign, etc., is a big deal. President Obama’s statement is not a definitive statement of anything, other than he, personally, did not order a wiretap, which I never claimed. But that does not mean he was unaware of surveillance activity by several of his departments, even through routine reports to the president, such as the Daily Intel Briefing or information conveyed to him or his staff via the Justice Department re the FBI counter-intelligence activities. As for Clapper, despite his past dissembling before Congress, he may not have been aware of what was taking place since the FBI counter-intel operation reportedly sought the warrant. The Daily Intel Briefing might provide useful information in that regard as well.

Of course, the release of the FISA applications would also shed a lot of light on events, assuming YOU believe reports that they were filed.

Furthermore, Clapper has said, as recently as yesterday, that no connections between the Russians and the Trump campaign have been found. I am extremely critical of Russia, Putin, and the efforts to influence our election, although I do not believe they succeeded. That said, how would Clapper know of no connections if he, as former Director of National Intelligence, didn’t look? On what is that based?

Your lack of curiosity and dishonesty about such matters and in dealing with me demean you and your profession. You are free to circulate this communication to whomever you wish, as I am making it public.

This is the article that Stelter wrote:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/06/media/mark-levin-joel-pollak-breitbart-trump-obama/index.html